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23536 said:
It seems to me like he's really good at pretending to have firm convictions. But because they're fake convictions, and he's a little ADD, he ends up showing his hand every once in a while.

But even now on libertarian discussion forums he remains some kind of messiah, even though this plagiarism thing should cement the point that he's an impostor?
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It sounds like Rand Paul is a lot like his father Ron Paul.

Ron Paul likes to come off as a fiscal conservative with libertarian, small government leanings, but Ron would do stuff like insert millions upon millions worth of earmarks in bills he knew were going to pass, then vote against them, all so he could say he doesn't support earmarks and yet bring home the pork for his constituents.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
It sounds like Rand Paul is a lot like his father Ron Paul.

Ron Paul likes to come off as a fiscal conservative with libertarian, small government leanings, but Ron would do stuff like insert millions upon millions worth of earmarks in bills he knew were going to pass, then vote against them, all so he could say he doesn't support earmarks and yet bring home the pork for his constituents.
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Now that's quite a charge! Where did you get this information from?
 
bloodshed344 said:
Now that's quite a charge! Where did you get this information from?
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As for earmarks, the congressman requested at least $157 million for fiscal year 2011, and another $398 million for fiscal year 2010, according to his congressional Web site. The provisions included $2.5 million for a “Historic Downtown Redevelopment Project” in Baytown, Texas; $8 million for replacing recreational fishing piers damaged during hurricanes; and $18 million for ship canal operations and maintenance.
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- Washington Post, among others.

Open Secrets has his earmarks from 2008 - 2010.

Then there's this article, also from the Washington Post:

After Hurricane Katrina, Paul opposed government assistance for victims, telling The Post: “Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government? Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?” He even even wrote in a 2005 column that “In several disasters that have befallen my Gulf Coast district, my constituents have told me many times that they prefer to rebuild and recover without the help of federal agencies like FEMA, which so often impose their own bureaucratic solutions on the owners of private property.”

Yet in fiscal year 2010 Paul requested tens of millions of dollars in earmarks to assist with hurricane recovery for his district. His requests included: $51.5 million for “Reconstruction of Bluewater Highway Hurricane Evacuation Route Between Brazoria and Galveston Counties in Texas”; $8 million for “replacing recreational fishing piers damaged during hurricanes”; $20 million to fund a rural hospital in Chambers County, Texas (arguing that “Chambers has been adversely impacted by hurricanes Rita and Ike and by the displacement of individuals by Hurricane Katrina”); and $1 million for Trinity Episcopal School “to assist with recovery in Hurricane stricken Galveston, Texas.”

Which raises a question for Rep. Paul: Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people of his congressional district?
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Apparently, and I may be going out on a limb here, but apparently these politician people often tell lies and contradict themselves without remorse in order to win public support? Is anyone else aware of this and has anyone studied how this works exactly? :?
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
It sounds like Rand Paul is a lot like his father Ron Paul.

Ron Paul likes to come off as a fiscal conservative with libertarian, small government leanings, but Ron would do stuff like insert millions upon millions worth of earmarks in bills he knew were going to pass, then vote against them, all so he could say he doesn't support earmarks and yet bring home the pork for his constituents.
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er. and that is the libertarian thing to do. You vote against the overall spending, because you'd like to see the tax money given directly back, (in the exact apportioned amounts that it was taken) but since that's not possible you GET WHATEVER TAXES BACK YOU POSSIBLY CAN via the routes you have at your disposal as a congressman. He explained this a thousand times, it does not compromise his position (concerning whether or not he supports earmarks) at all. if he decided to do nothing, then his district would have been paying taxes for nothing. (how could any congressman or congresswoman support that?)



If other states avoided inserting earmarks, THEN he would be compromising his principles imo.

It's funny, because you guys make the rounds with your arguments, (especially when conversing with newer members) I get serious deja vu on this board. I often avoid posting (as I was about to) because we've already had that conversation....
 
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Escher's Waterfall said:
In 2011, Ron Paul was one of only four Republicans who violated the Republican's self-imposed ban on earmarks.
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what about the democrats? huh? If he would have been 1 of only 4 congressmen or women total to insert earmarks, I might agree with you.


bloodshed344 said:
Reading this article a few weeks back is when I realized that Rand wasn't my man:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/10/15/peace_through_strength_us_iran_nuclear_negotiations
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Unlike his father, he desperately tries to appeal to the larger neo-con republican base, which does a lot to suggest he's just your average, shitty politician.
 
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I just heard a news anchor say, "One thing experts are sure of is that the death toll will probably rise." The statement is meaningless. You can either say that something will surely happen or that it will probably happen, but not that something will probably definitely happen.

I hear statements like this on the news all the time during "informational" segments. My favorite was the thing the mayor of Galveston said right before Hurricane Rita hit:

Those who do not evacuate face the possibility of certain death.
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superelephant said:
what about the democrats? huh? If he would have been 1 of only 4 congressmen or women total to insert earmarks, I might agree with you.
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The Democrats didn't have control of the House. The Republicans controlled the house, and out of the controlling party - which Ron Paul was part of - he was one of four who went against the self-imposed ban on earmarks.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
The Democrats didn't have control of the House. The Republicans controlled the house, and out of the controlling party - which Ron Paul was part of - he was one of four who went against the self-imposed ban on earmarks.
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but other republicans are stupid. They were letting their constituents pay for other peoples earmarks, essentially.
 
23536 said:
I just heard a news anchor say, "One thing experts are sure of is that the death toll will probably rise." The statement is meaningless. You can either say that something will surely happen or that it will probably happen, but not that something will probably definitely happen.

I hear statements like this on the news all the time during "informational" segments. My favorite was the thing the mayor of Galveston said right before Hurricane Rita hit:
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Lols.


Escher's Waterfall said:
They just have different priorities. They'll shut down the government to defund the ACA, but they won't do anything when it comes to earmarks.
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:? I think you're mixing up they's.
 
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Nobody here cares about this giant windstorm that just hit the Philippines?

Not entirely related, but Wikipedia has articles for "Tropical Cyclone" and for "Typhoon". They will not allow an article for "Hurricane".
 
indeed.

but it also seems like no one here cares that the swiss have determined that arafat was murdered.
 
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rest in peace
 
yes, well you can only walk around annapurna for so long. ;)

p.s. you'd be really surprised how many israelis you'll find in the the annapurna region of nepal. they are clearly the biggest demographic. this year the chinese were getting almost close. hell, there are signs in hebrew even up high.
 
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