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Long term comedowns - UK vs US?

Yep it's turned into a patriots thread. God save the queen, god bless America.

Nobody here has even touched on the bigger issues of legality. People shouldn't need to test their gear! I don't get my morphine script from the chemist filled and run home and test it.

Bigger picture people. Open your eyes and look beyond our little boxed in lives.

Legalise it!
 
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Folley said:
The UK market has been going downhill recently, from what I've heard. You guys have a LOT of APB analogues sold as MDMA. A LOT. Over here it's all cathinones and speed, but something like 6-MAPB or 5-ADPB could be very dangerous as they will test very similarly to MDMA, but have much higher potencies and seemingly more damaging effects. Apparently there's been a lot more methylone being sold in that region as well.
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It would be almost instantley obvious if you were testing for MDMA and you were given MAPB, ADPB analogues (not just marquis), I think the difference though is that people in the UK generally know when they have been sold an RC/Bunk stuff, albeit after they have consumed it. WIth in the USA it seems like most actually take Methylone etc and believe they have taken MDMA as they've never had anything different :\ I guess it happens when the MDMA scene is in such a bad way for so long, then a very similar analogue comes and floods the country..

It happened in the UK, at the height of our drought along comes Mephedrone and practically takes the country by storm, everyone's doing it (All sensationalism over the papers etc, apart from people knew it was not MDMA and weren't calling it Molly it was "Plant food terrorising kids"..) Still there was a gap in the market and it seemed to fill it nicely for the time being, maybe it will happen in the USA if MDMA makes a comeback?
 
Mendo_K said:
It would be almost instantley obvious if you were testing for MDMA and you were given MAPB, ADPB analogues (not just marquis)
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They have extremely similar reactions to MDMA. MAPB will react correctly to the simons kit as well, which other APB analogues will not. People not well versed in reagent reactions would have a very hard time spotting anything wrong.
 
UK v US MD users

I've notice that you guys are a lot more health conscious when it comes to MDMA. Here in the UK even now (Used to 10 times worse) we were all just greedy bastards. You took pills until you couldn't remember shit. You guys seem to stick to maybe 150mg maybe 200-250 max.

Your rave scene ( from what i se on utube) seems to be like the UK about 15 years ago with all the loved upness and its sort of trancy. I'm not talking about clubs more like raves. I remember being at raves around 93 and there was c**ts on top of cars going nuts off their nuts maybe 3-4 200mg doves in them. I'm not saying it was better and you probably couldn't recreate the buzz. Party's went on for days and I know folks say you can only take so much MS byt I've been buzing for 2-3 days before.

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I'm from the UK, I stick to 150-200mg. All the raves I go to are still full of people high-fiving and chatting like friends. Ofc some people overdo it, but the vibes are usually still sick.
 
I'm from the US and trust me we are not more health conscious, lol. I am the only of my friends who own a test kit but prior to this year when I was first introduced to MDMA my friends who buy it would tell me things like, 'You won't know how dirty the pill is until you take it.' Like it was absolutely impossible to find out what's in your pill.

Everything I've found out about dosage and testing, etc was by personal choice, and granted I know 50+ people who rave, I'd say 1 out of 50 who test their gear qualifies us just as non health conscious, lol.
 
JWills20 said:
I'm from the UK, I stick to 150-200mg. All the raves I go to are still full of people high-fiving and chatting like friends. Ofc some people overdo it, but the vibes are usually still sick.
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Yeah you seem to enjoy yourself on lower doses. IMHO UK folks tent to get messy
 
JWills20 said:
I never said real MDMA doesn't cause problems. But I don't think long-term comedowns are likely from it.

Your case is different. You have probably associated MDMA with DP/DR. Just like I have associated weed with anxiety & paranoia. I know I shouldn't be feeling anxious or paranoid on weed because that's not the norm - most people are fine. But still, everytime I smoke it I just feel horrendously anxious because I had a really bad experience once. Perhaps your time on MDMA was similar.



I know that nobody tests their MDMA. I speak to loads of rollers and haven't met one who does. I have a friend who recently brought some pills and didn't want to test them as he 'trusted the source'. I forced him to bring them over and test them. Marquis shows no reaction and PR suggests BZP. This was his first time buying pills and not relying on me and look what nearly happened to him. He nearly took a shitty chemical that was not MDMA, yet was labelled as so. The point is that unless you test it, you could be taking anything. And considering long-term comedowns really don't appear likely from just MDMA itself, I would suggest that it is either a dangerous combination or something completely different. Thus, if you compare the Ecstasy markets of the US & Europe, the USA is more dangerous as the MDMA is notoriously bad. In England if you buy crystal MDMA it is, more often than not, crystal MDMA. I've not tested one batch of crystals and had a bad reaction. Pills are a whole different matter.

In reality, the incidence of a long-term comedown from any drug is highly unlikely. Those that do have it are extremely unfortunate.
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You sir, are not understanding the point. I my self have gotten anxiety and anxiety attacks WHILE high on weed. But when i come down i go to my sober self, no long term damage / problems unless i have been smoking non stop all day for years.

Where as he is saying MDMA used that one time caused DP/DR that STAYED with him for months while sober(I've read countless cases my self so i know its true for some people). You notice the difference now? You seem to have a real laid back attitude about 'pure' MDMA when in fact 'pure' MDMA is still a neurotoxic chemical that off sets the brain's neuro chemical state by a very noticeable amount. Although recovery does and can happen to some degree, why keep shooting your mood up for a night and let it be shot down for weeks - months.... really doesn't make sense.
 
it is you that does not get the point, finished. it is you that is attempting to spread fear, not fact. your whole attitude reeks of negativity. please prove your points with some hard data.

i am still looking forward to you presenting a relevant, un-bias, peer reviewed article(s) that can actually support all of your claims. there is all types of conspiracy theories on the internets, want me to post some really interesting stuff on crop circles, ufos, and aliens? the people writing the stuff are really convincing, i think they even believe it themselves.

some people just aren't made for drugs (or for that matter particular drugs), you sound like one of them, champ, unlucky. suppose doing some pills and frying your neural circuits was at least a little more enjoyable than being run over by a truck, or being eaten by a shark, struck by lightning perhaps.

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Folley said:
lol.. Australia is kinda just a worse version of the UK to me :\ same attitudes in general but since you're in the middle of fucking nowhere and Britain is like a stones throw away from Holland they get a LOT more of the good stuff
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We aren't too bad! We just have very poor quality domestic pills, but I find analogues are MUCH harder to locate here, where I am from people are more likely to find MDMA rather than methylone :)

A few DP/DR stories come out of aus (of course) but we do have the smallest population out of most of the eu us uk so there's the factors, we are in the middle of nowhere though.... We are truly out in the middle of Idaho there is nothing around for a solid 50,000+ KILOMETRES AHAHHAHA

Laugh surely link me with the crop circles and alien stuff I really like that stuff, any Beatles/JFK/mafia conspiracies I like them too :) (no bs)

You guys are tKing me back a few months here hahaha. Laugh are those pictures for real or just made up by a government HR/graphic department? They present a pretty picture but I'm gonna keep my tin foil hat on until you come back with the secret code word for the cubbyhouse.
 
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he was just trolling there, dude, why did you bite? the dude raves on and on about mints, from what iv read about the mints they are/were like 80mgs, with a fancy press and name, oh and a magical fantastical super special synth process that zilch has proven. id rather the aussie made bangers we used to get tbh. but who really cares MDMA is MDMA is MDMA. :\ :\ :|
 
I've never actually taken a mint, they're made on the opposite side of the country. I just don't think that people should assume that quantity = quality.



Anyways, that's neither here nor there. There may be some different attitudes regarding drugs in different countries but there are people using/abusing drugs on all sides of the pond
 
hst used to drop lucy get naked and fuck his wife outside in the snow up at colorado apparently. doin it right imo.
 
Is there a known reagent suitable for at home use, easily obtained, that can discriminate reliably between benzofuran derivatives and methylene-dioxy-phenethylamines?
 
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