Does Testosterone make you high?

I think so. I have as much body hair as my dad if not more, and I'm two inches away from my maximum height. I'm not gonna gain any significant height anyway.
 
Sheesh im almost 23 and havent pinned anything more than a heavy opiate habit and melanotan II :P

I found an old 3ml vanish point IM syringe that the needle exchange gave us for narcan (never used those fuckers) and it wad a 21g point! Jesus christ if the OD didnt kill us we'd bleed like a stuck pig. Though I admit I IVd with a 21g some years ago (stupid fucking junkie I was)
 
Dude, I did my last shot and bled like crazy. Even lost a little bit of oil. Not sure what I did wrong lol


As far as instant aggression steroids go, I'm going to try TNE on my next blast. I don't know much about halotestin or cheque drops. Let me get the basics out of the way before I go putting all of that crazy stuff in me.
 
Today's pay day. Hell fucking yeah. Time to lift and relax then work tomorrow then MY weekend.
 
-Guido- said:
Sounds to me like you are addicted to the needle.
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I tend to agree... but he never mentioned IVing morphine and he can't IV suboxone or he'll go into withdrawal so I don't know if using testosterone via IM needles would get you addicted to the needle in the same way drug users love the needle more than the high... though the latter half of your post isn't necessarily correct.

Testosterone produces no high and isn't a psychoactive drug.
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Testosterone doesn't have to be psychoactive to give you a high. If the original poster meant he felt high as in I just did a bunch of speedballs, that's different... but if he means he feels high in that his confidence has shot through the roof, he has tons of energy, he feels great, his libido is back and he's seeing girls when he goes out that he just knows he can have (something anyone who's using AAS's has no doubt experienced... you know that feeling that you can walk into a bar and know you're gonna pull which ever girl you want without evening having to talk to them because you just see a hot girl walk up to her with confidence like she's never seen grab her by the arm and leave with her (meanwhile she has a huge smile plastered on her face because in her head you're the most alpha guy there while everyone else is trying to talk to her and game her you skipped that shit and just took her haha... almost like playing a chess game that you just know you're going to win).

I would agree that test can cause euphoria... just not the same type as common drugs of abuse.
 
flyhighk said:
I think so. I have as much body hair as my dad if not more, and I'm two inches away from my maximum height. I'm not gonna gain any significant height anyway.
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Kid, I was 15 years old weighed 130 max on a good day. I'm now 25 6'3 and 205 lbs. You aren't done growing heed the warnings that the mods like Guido took so much time to spell out for you. Get off the test or guess what you will not grow another inch. And how do you even know that you're "2 inches away from your maximum height?" Did the hospital write how tall you would be on your forehead in permanent marker when you came out of the womb.

If you're on TRT that's *COMPLETELY* different than doing a cycle. The goal of TRT is to get testosterone levels back to where they should be for your age (at 15 I'm going to guess between 450-550 since you're just getting into puberty. That level will go up depending on your physiology but I would guess you're going to max out around 800. The goal for AAS is to achieve supraphysiological doses... IE get your levels above 1200. and Your free over 80.
 
puffj said:
Kid, I was 15 years old weighed 130 max on a good day. I'm now 25 6'3 and 205 lbs. You aren't done growing heed the warnings that the mods like Guido took so much time to spell out for you. Get off the test or guess what you will not grow another inch. And how do you even know that you're "2 inches away from your maximum height?" Did the hospital write how tall you would be on your forehead in permanent marker when you came out of the womb.

If you're on TRT that's *COMPLETELY* different than doing a cycle. The goal of TRT is to get testosterone levels back to where they should be for your age (at 15 I'm going to guess between 450-550 since you're just getting into puberty. That level will go up depending on your physiology but I would guess you're going to max out around 800. The goal for AAS is to achieve supraphysiological doses... IE get your levels above 1200. and Your free over 80.
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I didn't stop growing until I was in my early twenties. I was a late bloomer.
 
puffj said:
I tend to agree... but he never mentioned IVing morphine and he can't IV suboxone or he'll go into withdrawal so I don't know if using testosterone via IM needles would get you addicted to the needle in the same way drug users love the needle more than the high... though the latter half of your post isn't necessarily correct.



Testosterone doesn't have to be psychoactive to give you a high. If the original poster meant he felt high as in I just did a bunch of speedballs, that's different... but if he means he feels high in that his confidence has shot through the roof, he has tons of energy, he feels great, his libido is back and he's seeing girls when he goes out that he just knows he can have (something anyone who's using AAS's has no doubt experienced... you know that feeling that you can walk into a bar and know you're gonna pull which ever girl you want without evening having to talk to them because you just see a hot girl walk up to her with confidence like she's never seen grab her by the arm and leave with her (meanwhile she has a huge smile plastered on her face because in her head you're the most alpha guy there while everyone else is trying to talk to her and game her you skipped that shit and just took her haha... almost like playing a chess game that you just know you're going to win).

I would agree that test can cause euphoria... just not the same type as common drugs of abuse.
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When I was heroin addict, if I IV'd warm water I would feel high. It's all mental.
 
yup. Up until I was about 17 I was 5'3. Then during college I sprung up to 6'3.... though during college I only weighed 170 max. Cursed with a ridiculously fast metabolism. Than a few years after I graduated... BOOM 40 lbs over night haha.

Guido I had a question for you. I was reading your write up on using aas properly and I'm on trt due to my chronic pain (opiates destroyed my test levels). But you mentioned you NEEED to have testosterone as a base injectable. And not dht derivatives. I'm currently on test cyp. I looked it up and it doesn't look like cypionate is a dht derivative but I wanted to get your opinion (which, if you check my post history, you'll see I never ask others for their opinions haha) Also, again I've researched this but is there a risk of excess aromatase activity if I'm staying within the ranges TRT permits and not going over supraphysiological doses (ie my test is under 900 right now or at least last I checked).

thanks guido. Btw I dig the Vegetto avatar.... I've got every episode of DB, DBZ and GT in it's original 4:3 resolution with the frames cleaned up. They're English but you can turn on the Japanese voices and subtitles and watch it the way its meant to be. If you ever want to see them, shoot me a message. Oh and the new DBZ movie that was penned by Akira Toriyama is something I have too (first real DBZ since he stopped being involved with DBZ... the movie takes place between the buu saga and the last couple episodes of the series. Also there's word with how the movie left off that Toriyama may bring DBZ back.

:)
 
-Guido- said:
When I was heroin addict, if I IV'd warm water I would feel high. It's all mental.
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Oh I absolutely agree... same reason it's so hard for people addicted to cigarettes to wear a patch or people who like to blow lines to swallow a pill instead even if it's better for them. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see him mention IVing morph or suboxone which would lead me to believe he doesn't have a needle fixation.

Also I looked up halotestin and didn't see anything that showed it increased aggression at a higher level than pure test. You wouldn't happen to have any literature on the subject?
 
puffj said:
Oh I absolutely agree... same reason it's so hard for people addicted to cigarettes to wear a patch or people who like to blow lines to swallow a pill instead even if it's better for them. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see him mention IVing morph or suboxone which would lead me to believe he doesn't have a needle fixation.

Also I looked up halotestin and didn't see anything that showed it increased aggression at a higher level than pure test. You wouldn't happen to have any literature on the subject?
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http://www.steroid.com/Halotestin.php#

http://www.steroidology.com/halotestin-fluoxymesterone/

And if you read up on it in Anabolics 10th Edition by William Llewellyn it explains how the compound is extremely androgenic and used pre-contest by pro bodybuilders to give a hard grainy vascular look to muscles and by powerlifters and figherts for increased strength and aggression. It's 8.5x as androgenic as Testosterone.

A bunch of guys on gh15.org, a private bodybuilding board for pros and serious bodybuilders have posted extensive threads on the aggression this stuff gives. It's infamous for turning guys into beasts. Cheque Drops are stronger but people prefer Halotestin because they can maintain control of the aggression and it doesn't aromatize. It's also not as toxic but can still do a number on the liver.

Shit's expensive. If it didn't cost so fucking much I would use it over Stanazol.
 
Yeah I read about it's higher affinity for androgen receptors and that it blocks aromatase (could be the reason for higher aggression... especially if you have little to no estrogen in your body even as a guy) but I never saw anything about it causing more or less aggression than your average high dose testosterone supp taken with an aromatase inhibitor.

Also since I guess you might have missed my other question... you said you have to use testosterone injections as a base and should stay away from DHT derived supplements. is testosterone cypionate DHT derived or no? It doesn't appear to be but I figured I would ask anyway.
 
puffj said:
Yeah I read about it's higher affinity for androgen receptors and that it blocks aromatase (could be the reason for higher aggression... especially if you have little to no estrogen in your body even as a guy) but I never saw anything about it causing more or less aggression than your average high dose testosterone supp taken with an aromatase inhibitor.

Also since I guess you might have missed my other question... you said you have to use testosterone injections as a base and should stay away from DHT derived supplements. is testosterone cypionate DHT derived or no? It doesn't appear to be but I figured I would ask anyway.
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Forgive me, I'm on some overdosed Tren that is giving me insomnia and having a lot on my mind does not help.

You always need Testosterone (be it Propionate, Cypionate, Etanthate, Phenylpropionate, Decanoate, or a blend of esters) as a base to maintain libido, stave off fatigue, and prevent mood swings.

When you introduce a steroid like Trenbolone or Nandrolone for example, your Testosterone production ceases in the testes and levels begin to drop. By introducing exogenous Testosterone your levels remain at a level that prevents low Testosterone symptoms and you stay full of energy, confident, and can maintain a healthy libido.

People who are prone to prostate issues, severe acne, and male pattern baldness should avoid DHT derived steroids due to their androgenic nature which causes the problems mentioned.

Testosterone Cypionate is not DHT derived. It's Testosterone with an ester attached and that ester determines the half life of the Testosterone. For example Testosterone Acetate had a half life of a day. Testosterone Etanthate has a half life of 6 days, Testosteorne Propionate has a half life of 2 days, and I could go on and on. Now Testosterone in the body metabolizes into DHT and that is a primary reason why those who are predisposed to hair loss end up losing hair or those with prostate issues experience a enlargement of the prostate which can cause urination difficulty and in some rather severe cases constipation.

Take a look at this chart. It will give you an idea where Testosterone comes from along with other steroid hormones in the body and their metabolism from one compound to another.

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Going back to your one post, there is always a risk with Testosterone aromitizing into estrogen, as well as some other steroids. It's dependent on both genetics and your dose. Any estrogen related sides from Testosteorne aromitizing can be reversed and prevented with an AI (Aromitas Inhibitor).
 
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puffj said:
Kid, I was 15 years old weighed 130 max on a good day. I'm now 25 6'3 and 205 lbs. You aren't done growing heed the warnings that the mods like Guido took so much time to spell out for you. Get off the test or guess what you will not grow another inch. And how do you even know that you're "2 inches away from your maximum height?" Did the hospital write how tall you would be on your forehead in permanent marker when you came out of the womb.

If you're on TRT that's *COMPLETELY* different than doing a cycle. The goal of TRT is to get testosterone levels back to where they should be for your age (at 15 I'm going to guess between 450-550 since you're just getting into puberty. That level will go up depending on your physiology but I would guess you're going to max out around 800. The goal for AAS is to achieve supraphysiological doses... IE get your levels above 1200. and Your free over 80.
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No I'm not on trt. I have (or had) a fully working hpta. The reason why I started using test is to limit my height. I don't want my spine to grow any longer(I have scoliosis so more spine growth equals worse deformity). And I know I'm two inches away from my max height because I see doctors every few months for my back and had many xrays and all that stuff. I would have never thought of using steroids at such a young age if I didn't have scoliosis.
 
if your intent is to stop the worsening of scoliosis you should really talk to a doctor. you're 15 right? Your bones are still growing and testosterone will 100% make your bones grow bigger. testosterone is why you get broader shoulders, bigger bones in your arms and legs and hips and etc etc. Really talk to a doctor about this. Don't try to self-medicate your scoliosis or you might end up worse.
 
Test wont make his bones grow bigger as in longer, rather increase the density of them... The aromatisation of test or any anabolic that covnerts to an estrogen is what will seal his grow plates up. But I agree, speak to your doctor.

Whoever claims they dont feel a mood boost/change in psycological behaviour from test I feel sorry for you... I feel like a fucking god, I become a lot more confident, depression is non existant you basically become the alpha male and your fuse is shortened. Thats the case for me anyway.
 
MrSpeedyG said:
Whoever claims they dont feel a mood boost/change in psycological behaviour from test I feel sorry for you... I feel like a fucking god, I become a lot more confident, depression is non existant you basically become the alpha male and your fuse is shortened. Thats the case for me anyway.
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^ I am already there; that's why there wouldn't be an emotional boost from testosterone. Some guys already have "it" endogenously.
 
I have to comment on androgens and their psychoactive properties. Androgens (DHT analogs more so than test based ones) are very much psychoactive. Androgens activate reward pathways in the nucleus accumbens and have been shown to modulate GABA(a) receptors in similar fashion to classic depressants (benzos, barbs, etc.) and therefore increase Cl- influx into the neuron. Testosterone's 3a-diol metabolite has been shown to modulate the GABA(a) receptor and I believe this is the basis for neuroactive steroids used for sedation (Ganaxolone). I have linked a couple research papers here but if you run a search on pubmed.com for testosterone, DHT, nandrolone (often used steroid in research) and addiction, GABA, reward pathway you will find research done on androgens and their psychoactive properties.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11500254
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12376159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11744084
 
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