Romany & gypsy are we tolerant in Europe ?

[brimz]

THoughts .

Where i live people probably have no idea that in many of the larger central european countries there are huge gypsy camps outside big cities i found out cos it's where i always bloody end up in Spain

THEN i had a look at wiki

OBviously these are like when you get asked how many fags u smoke half the real figures .

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Spain 650,000
(1.62%)[6]
Romania 619,007
(3.25%)[7]
Turkey 500,000
(0.72%)[8]
France 500,000
(0.79%)[9]
Bulgaria 370,908
(4.67%)[10]
Hungary 205,720
(2.02%)[11]
Greece 200,000
(1.82%)[12]
Slovakia 189,920
(1.71%)[13]
Serbia 147,604
(2.05%)[15]
Italy 130,000
(0.22%)[16]
Germany 120,000
(0.15%)[17]
United Kingdom 90,000
(0.15%)[18]
Macedonia 53,879
(2.85%)[19]
Sweden 50,000 - 100,000[21]
Ukraine 47,587
(0.098%)[22]
Portugal 30,000 - 50,000
(0.3%)



So uk is the least romany friendly place if ya like i wonder how many of the 90,000 are in actual England eh ?

Of course TOP of the POPs is Bulgaria with 2 in every 20 folk i thought Romania would have a higher concentrate but thats cos i keep hearing that they "gonna invade us" still a healthy 3 % n like i said i would double these figures as they haven't got birth certificates or ID .

I was surprised to see Italy so Gypsy free further proof that these are skewed .

ANYHow when you hit a Spanish / POrtuguese GYPSY shanti town it's mad discuss cos i can't i got 2 focus on summink else

 

[brimz]

i dunno ok but it made me giggle

 

[kingme]

why did you tink there d be more in romania? and who is invading you?

thing is roma people are quite a heterogenous group.... so thier culture is as well... i wonder if they themselves feel united somehow or not...

not long ago a romany 'king' dies and there was a media fuss about it.. but a couple months later there are already 3 in his place...

 

[RLP]

Romas, travellers, you just gotta move them on.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Italy gipsy free? You're having a laugh, they have a huge camp next to the river, it's like a third world shanty town they had to put the army there to try and reduce the amount of rapes, robberies and theft they inflict on the neighbouring populations.

There's a ton of gippos in Italy, probably no way to know how many as they refuse ID cards and live outside of society(by their choice the local government spent tons of cash trying to integrate them).

 

[Bodda]

Romas, travellers, you just gotta move them on.

Personally I can see when they join the E.U. alot of 'em coming over here, I got nothing against people going to a new country for a better life but when I go to London the place seems rammed with Polish people. I have NO issue with that but I can see the Gypsy folks bringing nothing but trouble.

As I said a few weeks ago my advice for people in Europe is to start to learn Mandarin Chinese as the future belongs to that country, get the fuck outta the UK & leave this shit place to the Polish & Roma I say.

they have a huge camp next to the river, it's like a third world shanty town they had to put the army there to try and reduce the amount of rapes, robberies and theft they inflict on the neighbouring populations.

This.

 

[Sammy G]

Italy gipsy free? You're having a laugh, they have a huge camp next to the river, it's like a third world shanty town they had to put the army there to try and reduce the amount of rapes, robberies and theft they inflict on the neighbouring populations.

There's a ton of gippos in Italy, probably no way to know how many as they refuse ID cards and live outside of society(by their choice the local government spent tons of cash trying to integrate them).

Isn't being 'outside of society' to some extent kinda the point though? I can see from the use of the word 'gippo' that you're possibly a little bit biased on this one.

Personally I can see when they join the E.U. alot of 'em coming over here, I got nothing against people going to a new country for a better life but when I go to London the place seems rammed with Polish people. I have NO issue with that but I can see the Gypsy folks bringing nothing but trouble.

Why is it you can only see gypsy people bringing trouble? That's ridiculously ignorant and prejudiced of you. If you substituted the word 'gypsy' for 'black', people would be up in arms.

More to the point, how the fuck did the Poles come into it? Am I in a spit-and-sawdust boozer?

As I said a few weeks ago my advice for people in Europe is to start to learn Mandarin Chinese as the future belongs to that country, get the fuck outta the UK & leave this shit place to the Polish & Roma I say.

So, lets summarise: learn another language and move to another country in order to better your life?

Isn't that what you're criticising other people for?

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

romany emperor like django reinhardt

 

[RLP]

So, lets summarise: learn another language and move to another country in order to better your life?

Isn't that what you're criticising other people for?

 

[Mental Kenny]

Isn't being 'outside of society' to some extent kinda the point though? I can see from the use of the word 'gippo' that you're possibly a little bit biased on this one.

In a way I admire people who live outside of society, in the sort of libertarian wet dream, living like they do in some places in West Virginia, live off the land, hunt your own hogs, grow your own veg and weed, make your own moonshine. Live outside of the system but completely independent.

The thing with the gypsies though is that they live as parasitical entities, they refuse to be integrated yet their income comes through crime that victimizes the very society they refuse to join. I grew up in a crappy neighbourhood, before my parents had saved enough to move out of town, there was a camp close by, the level of crime they create is incredible. After a few locals molotoved their trailers, the police in order to defuse the situation that would have probably ended up bad, moved them elsewhere, the crime rates literally dropped to zero. Not just burglaries, thefts or average crime against property, rapes and beatings too.

 

[lurching]

In a way I admire people who live outside of society, in the sort of libertarian wet dream, living like they do in some places in West Virginia, live off the land, hunt your own hogs, grow your own veg and weed, make your own moonshine. Live outside of the system but completely independent.

The thing with the gypsies though is that they live as parasitical entities, they refuse to be integrated yet their income comes through crime that victimizes the very society they refuse to join. I grew up in a crappy neighbourhood, before my parents had saved enough to move out of town, there was a camp close by, the level of crime they create is incredible. After a few locals molotoved their trailers, the police in order to defuse the situation that would have probably ended up bad, moved them elsewhere, the crime rates literally dropped to zero. Not just burglaries, thefts or average crime against property, rapes and beatings too.

Have to agree here, albeit with the usual disclaimer of not being a fan of stereotyping. Their lifestyle (or culture--whichever word is worse) seems fundamentally parasitic.

 

[Bodda]

No not really Sammy G, I can't see the Roma people bringing much use to the UK.

As I said I have no issue with Polish etc being here, but from what I have seen the Roma are only going to bring 20 kids with 'em & pick pocket as their job.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Have to agree here, albeit with the usual disclaimer of not being a fan of stereotyping. Their lifestyle (or culture--whichever word is worse) seems fundamentally parasitic.

Roma's are hardly a novelty here in Europe, they originally came from South Asia(they're of sinti ethnic background) in the middle ages and been living off the communities they settle in ever since.

 

[Sammy G]

The thing with the gypsies though is that they live as parasitical entities, they refuse to be integrated yet their income comes through crime that victimizes the very society they refuse to join.

You could say the same about drug dealers. Or if you were a British tabloid reporter you'd probably say a similar thing about those claiming benefits for being out of work.

I grew up in a crappy neighbourhood, before my parents had saved enough to move out of town, there was a camp close by, the level of crime they create is incredible. After a few locals molotoved their trailers, the police in order to defuse the situation that would have probably ended up bad, moved them elsewhere, the crime rates literally dropped to zero. Not just burglaries, thefts or average crime against property, rapes and beatings too.

Do you think maybe poverty and deprivation cause crime, rather than people's ethnicity or lifestyle differences?

The fact is that most Roma people are met with extreme prejudice if they do attempt to integrate themselves, which perpetuates the inequality. As for molotoving trailers, well...

No not really Sammy G, I can't see the Roma people bringing much use to the UK.

Wow. So do people have to be 'useful' in order to settle here now?

If that's the case then surely a great number of the long-term out-of-work indigenous population should be shipped off to the mainland as soon as possible?

 

[Mental Kenny]

Drug dealers are offering a service, true that service might be perceived as immoral by large chunks of society but that's irrelevant, they are offering a product in high demand in exchange for hard currency, nothing parasitical at all. They are fully integrated into society, fringe society maybe but still.

 

[lurching]

The fact is that most Roma people are met with extreme prejudice if they do attempt to integrate themselves, which perpetuates the inequality.

I agree with all your points here, especially this one. Have to be careful not to throw all the Romas on the same heap (stereotyping) cos some Roma individual is bound to be exception to the rule, will do attempts to integrate more reasonably, will be 'useful' and all that goodness.

 

[Morphling]

But they have good drugs!

 

[Sammy G]

Drug dealers don't pay tax on their income though, so they're not fully integrated into society because they evade the fiscal responsibilities that most citizens are burdened with.

In addition to this, drug dealing has an impact on crime rates - maybe not all drug dealing, but definitely hard drugs. Again, the drug dealer only profits from this.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Drug dealers don't pay tax on their income though, so they're not fully integrated into society because they evade the fiscal responsibilities that most citizens are burdened with.

In addition to this, drug dealing has an impact on crime rates - maybe not all drug dealing, but definitely hard drugs. Again, the drug dealer only profits from this.

Yes but they are still providing a product and a service to their customer, the victim of a theft doesn't get anything, it's only taking. With dealing there is still a transaction, the fact the customer sometimes has to engage in questionable activities to finance the purchase doesn't really matter. The dealer is offering something to the community, the burglar, thief, scammer or robber is not.

 

[Bodda]

Wow. So do people have to be 'useful' in order to settle here now?

If that's the case then surely a great number of the long-term out-of-work indigenous population should be shipped off to the mainland as soon as possible?

Yes & I am not joking.
When I watch Jeremy Kyle alot of the people on there in my view are no good & if I had my way I would have them sent off to some Island where they can be kept away from the rest of the planet.

Like when I was going to move over to be with Jamie, I learned the language & was willing to do any job that came along, there was no way I was going to move over there & live off her or their benefit system.

But they have good drugs!

Only stuff they would have would be horse jenkem.