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Codeine & CWE (aka cdub) Megathread: third time's the charm

I must admit, I was extremely scepticle untill I tried it myself.

And nearly cried the day I got home to find my n+'s had been tampered with by the pharmaceutical company. Arseholes.

Just another example of reverse HR brought to you by our caring government.
 
Hi

Sorry If this is already brought up. I have done a few hours of research probably but my brain is tired now.

I used to think paracetamol was not very soluble in water - but I found out (possibly due things being named differently) that it depends on the temperature of the water, and that you have like 12mg per ml per instance at a certain temperature. Does this mean that the less water used, the less paracetamol in final product? If using too much water, possibly all the paracetamol will get through?

Is it ok to use sparkling water (cold from fridge)?

Is it ok to use a shirt only, when using say 10 x 20mgcodeine/400 mg paracetamol (no filters, not much time). Obviously some will get through, but if the daily max is 4000mg and Ill get most of it out, surely it wouldn't be a big deal?
 
Hi only! Welcome to bluelight.

All the stuff you want to know about CWE is here at the start of this very thread.

You were pretty right with what you mentioned about cwe. Yes paracetamols solubility in water is lower at a colder temperature.

And yes, you want to use the smallest amount of water possible. But also enough so there's room for the codeine to fit in.

Anyways, read from where I linked the 'here' link for detailed info on the subject.
 
why fuck around with paracetamol, ibuprofen is soo farking forgiving, I'm not proud to say there are days i couldn't be fucked with CWE and I'm living proof that popping 90 ibuprofen/codeine pills doesn't do much that get you on the nod. I know this isn't in line with harm reduction but this myth that ibuprofen kills with small doses, in my experience is crap. i don't condone this but I have always used myself as a guinea pig and have proven many myths untrue, very much like MAOI and amphetamine relatives - ppffwoaaaa! Again, I dont condone but the truth needs to be told. There are too many text book nazis out there who preach without actually giving it a go.........[have a feeling that the mods might not like this but no skin off my nose)
 
sure mate, there's always more than i way to skin a cat -im not doubting you and good to know that para filters easier! tbo cwe never work as good as popping a gut full of pills mixed with a nice side order of benzo soup ;) or moclobemide...
 
mork said:
why fuck around with paracetamol, ibuprofen is soo farking forgiving, I'm not proud to say there are days i couldn't be fucked with CWE and I'm living proof that popping 90 ibuprofen/codeine pills doesn't do much that get you on the nod. I know this isn't in line with harm reduction but this myth that ibuprofen kills with small doses, in my experience is crap. i don't condone this but I have always used myself as a guinea pig and have proven many myths untrue, very much like MAOI and amphetamine relatives - ppffwoaaaa! Again, I dont condone but the truth needs to be told. There are too many text book nazis out there who preach without actually giving it a go.........[have a feeling that the mods might not like this but no skin off my nose)
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You're right that popping even a fairly significant bunch of ibuprofen on any one single occasion is pretty unlikely to cause serious harm, but on the flip side, my experience is that it adds up, and a few years of regularly popping paracetemol & ibuprofen like candy definitely took a toll on my stomach, to the point where I went through a year or two where I'd wake up ever morning feeling the stomach lining etching away and have to grab a meal immediately to get rid of the acidic feeling in the gut.

but you're also right about the myths that are perpetuated in the name of 'harm reduction,' imo serious harm reduction can only begin from a place of truth and honestly, we need to be able to admit the reality of what people have done and experienced before we can begin calculating the best approach to begin making such behavior safe(r).
 
mork said:
There are too many text book nazis out there who preach without actually giving it a go.........
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This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read.. really just break that down and think about what's wrong logically with that sentence and not just because it goes against the HR ethos of this forum.
The purpose of clinical studies and pharmacological research and passing on this information is so people don't have to "give it an actual go" and unnecessarily risk harming themselves, harm reduction is more than just how high you can get without killing oneself.
according to this logic; text book nazis lets say a doctor should, rather than prescribe what they know to be a safe dose to their patient just eat a "gut full" of the pills first to just to see whether or not it's safe.

This is more for general readership than for mork, I don't think there's any point rationalising with someone who takes 18000mg or 18 GRAMS of ibuprofen because they "can't be fucked" doing a simple extraction.
It's actually funny I was talking to a chemist the other day and she was talking about people eating whole packets ie;30 not 90 pills, I had a chuckle to myself knowing nobody would be that irresponsible because surely anyone interested in taking them recreationally would do a quick internet search first which would show CWE.

Just because someone didn't die or notice any negative effects at the time you don't know what kind of damage large doses of Ibuprofen are doing internally, this is important for younger people to realise , damage is accumulative, you might not end up with kidney damage or cancer straight away but think what happens a few years down the line of using not just excess doses but even daily doses of 800mg of ibuprofen.

Ibuprofen should NOT be used in higher than recommended dose and not in the long-term, it is indicated for short term relief of pain. the warnings on this product are no joke
http://www.rxlist.com/ibuprofen-drug/warnings-precautions.htm

I know this is turning into a bit of a rant but I feel pretty strongly about this as I recently experienced a very unpleasant ulcer and GI bleeding from my usage of Ibuprofen which was of max 24 tablets a week and never more than 800mg in a day over about 8 months. I wasn't even using the product to get high or doing any CWEs in this period.

If you still insist on taking Ibu on the reg, please take also take a PPI like losec to at least minimise the GI effects.

Paracetamol is safer long-term but if people are using large amounts of pills to CWE , but IMO ibuprofen codeine pills would still be safer if extracted correctly due to the very low solubility of ibu in water.
 
oldirtybizza said:
This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read.. really just break that down and think about what's wrong logically with that sentence and not just because it goes against the HR ethos of this forum.
The purpose of clinical studies and pharmacological research and passing on this information is so people don't have to "give it an actual go" and unnecessarily risk harming themselves, harm reduction is more than just how high you can get without killing oneself.
according to this logic; text book nazis lets say a doctor should, rather than prescribe what they know to be a safe dose to their patient just eat a "gut full" of the pills first to just to see whether or not it's safe.

This is more for general readership than for mork, I don't think there's any point rationalising with someone who takes 18000mg or 18 GRAMS of ibuprofen because they "can't be fucked" doing a simple extraction.
It's actually funny I was talking to a chemist the other day and she was talking about people eating whole packets ie;30 not 90 pills, I had a chuckle to myself knowing nobody would be that irresponsible because surely anyone interested in taking them recreationally would do a quick internet search first which would show CWE.

Just because someone didn't die or notice any negative effects at the time you don't know what kind of damage large doses of Ibuprofen are doing internally, this is important for younger people to realise , damage is accumulative, you might not end up with kidney damage or cancer straight away but think what happens a few years down the line of using not just excess doses but even daily doses of 800mg of ibuprofen.

Ibuprofen should NOT be used in higher than recommended dose and not in the long-term, it is indicated for short term relief of pain. the warnings on this product are no joke
http://www.rxlist.com/ibuprofen-drug/warnings-precautions.htm

I know this is turning into a bit of a rant but I feel pretty strongly about this as I recently experienced a very unpleasant ulcer and GI bleeding from my usage of Ibuprofen which was of max 24 tablets a week and never more than 800mg in a day over about 8 months. I wasn't even using the product to get high or doing any CWEs in this period.

If you still insist on taking Ibu on the reg, please take also take a PPI like losec to at least minimise the GI effects.

Paracetamol is safer long-term but if people are using large amounts of pills to CWE , but IMO ibuprofen codeine pills would still be safer if extracted correctly due to the very low solubility of ibu in water.
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fair call, ive always pushed the boundries and experienced others havent. i research endlessly and mix that with calculated risk....well im still here after 19 years! there is s lot of myths out there
 
You've experienced what others haven't by eating a shitload of ibuprofen? Is this what your saying?

Hardly an 'experience'.

To me it's more of a death wish. Would you say my opinion on this matter is a 'myth'

For someone that researches frequently your theory's scare me.
 
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Captain Brewster said:
You've experienced what others haven't by eating a shitload of ibuprofen? Is this what your saying?

Hardly an 'experience'.

To me it's more of a death wish. Would you say my opinion on this matter is a 'myth'

For someone that researches frequently your theory's scare me.
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get down off you high horse, I'm trying to point out that all the hoo har about dosage and immediate death is exaggerated! sometimes cwe isn't appropriate in my line of work because that is where the majority of my using is done, work. popping a gut full of pills works for me just like taking a MAOI with stimulants works with me. you are better off doing your own research with your own body than believe all the hype

no I'm not saying your opinion in is a myth, you add positives to the board and I respect you for that

If believed what was told to me when I started in the realm of drugs all those years back if still be smoking banana peel and dropping acid in my eyes!
 
There is no "instant death" myth.

Your habits are nonetheless dangerous and you are doing damage to yourself.
 
mork said:
If believed what was told to me when I started in the realm of drugs all those years back if still be smoking banana peel and dropping acid in my eyes!
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One of BL's reasons for being here is to stop stupid behaviour like that. Teach people what their really doing to themselves.

L2R said:
There is no "instant death" myth.
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Exactly.

I'll admit, I may have gone a little far by saying its a 'death wish' (but now I think about it, it could be for some people) but it's just not something worth fucking around with, especially when there's a safer alternative.

Just eating pills to me is lazy, and not showing much respect to your body.

This is a HR site, if there's a safer way to use this stuff, then that's what I'll push.

I'm on no 'high horse' mork, I simply care about people's organs. If anyone's on a horse , it's you, and selling people the idea that eating pill in this fashion is okay. It's not.



EDIT: Here you go pal, have a read and enjoy: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...odiene-pain-meds-please-read-and-view-picture

Hope you don't lose any sleep over this :)
 
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So.. I am in France. They have here OC para 400mg/ codeine 20mg. I had 6 one day and quite a nice buzz...

I tried a cold water extraction with 12 pills, didn't really feel much. I put 12 gound up pills into some cold water from fridge, filtered through a t=shirt, squeezed the rest over 2 layers of tissue paper.

Tonight I had 8 pills (3200 mg of para, 160mg codeine) but not much either. I hardly think I have a tolerance. Any ideas?

BY the way, I assumed 3200 mg to be maybe over but not too dangerous.
 
^ Dude you get pure codeine tabs otc in France, they go under the brand name Paderyl,, I think one of the letters, maybe the y, is accented. You say it like Pad ah reel. These tablets contain 19.5mg of codeine per tablet iirc and nothing else, it seems healthier and less hassle to take these than to buy pills that require a CWE and certainly healthier than eating that quantity of para.
 
well he is in france maybe that is all he has in his particular town or pharmacies he's visited , don't believe everything you read online about availability.

I can tell you from personal exp that in some euro countries where you can get pure codeine as codeisan etc. only about 5% of pharmacies I visited stocked it or admitted they did. many pharmacies only have the 15 mg CP and 300-500 APAP tablets , and some maybe half have the stronger 30mg CP & 400-500mg APAP . Even in a country with generally liberal otc code policies certain cities also seem to totally lack decent otc codeine meds..

In Paris I was unable to find pure codeine despite visiting maybe 20 pharmacies. I wouldn't consider myself sketchy looking either.
 
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