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I never experienced mental focus from it. Just crazy pumps and nice strength after a week when it kicks in. Usually 30 minutes after taking 20mg-30mg I get pissed off; Easily annoyed and what not.
 
Serotonin101 said:
everything ive read about tren scares me and excites me. :D for you to "cruise" on it must mean its worth keeping.
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If you want to be a bodybuilder, be it classic division, men's physique, 212 class, or olympia class you need to have Trenbolone in the blood all the time. It's healthy mentally to take a break every so often (4 weeks here twice or thrice a year) but you want it in the blood.

It's a powerful steroid and has some powerful side effects. It can cause insomnia, anxiety, high blood pressure, ace, hair loss, mood swings, and there is always the notorious Tren cough that occurs sometimes. Nick a vein while injecting and you will start tasting the Tren in your throat, then you chest will start to burn and you will start coughing uncontrollably for 10 minutes. Your face goes red, pupils dilate, your skin starts to crawl and you start sweating pools to point you need to strip down naked.

It repartitions nutrients, hardens the muscle, increases vascularity, burns fat, increases strength, drys you out, and puts on lean muscle mass. Just because it burns fat though doesn't mean you use it while you are fat. You use Tren while you are lean to really transform your physique.

I been using it continuously for over 3 years now. I go through a vial every 10 days.
 
A source whos products I frequently oggle at just restocked and put up tren no ester at 100mg/ml! Jesus fucking christ that sounds intense.
 
nolys said:
Tren no ester? Has anybody used this I am interested to know the effects compared to ace?
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It's just like Ace. Only difference is you have to inject twice a day as opposed to once a day to maintains stable levels. It kicks in a little faster as well and the PIP is pretty harsh.
 
Im doing alright CH. Still getting used to your newer avatar. Planning out and getting the first cycle together
 
The plan is dbol, test e, and msten. I wanna see the hype of dbol (and be like ahhnold) for my kickstart, test e for 12 weeks, and close out with msten.

-4-0: liver support
1-4: dbol 10/20/30/40?mg (depends on sides)
1-12: test e 500mg/w
5-8: maintain liver support possibly get bw done in week 7 to see if my liver is ok with msten
9-12: msten 8/12/16/20mg (depends on sides)
Wait 2 weeks then standard nolva clomid pct (40/40/20/20 and 50/50/25/25 respectively).
Gonna scoop up adex and aromasin as well for ais
 
Serotonin101 said:
The plan is dbol, test e, and msten. I wanna see the hype of dbol (and be like ahhnold) for my kickstart, test e for 12 weeks, and close out with msten.

-4-0: liver support
1-4: dbol 10/20/30/40?mg (depends on sides)
1-12: test e 500mg/w
5-8: maintain liver support possibly get bw done in week 7 to see if my liver is ok with msten
9-12: msten 8/12/16/20mg (depends on sides)
Wait 2 weeks then standard nolva clomid pct (40/40/20/20 and 50/50/25/25 respectively).
Gonna scoop up adex and aromasin as well for ais
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Standard Nolva isn't 40mg.... Multiple studies suggest that 20mg/day is the best dosage to boost testosterone production with minimal side effects, this is the dosage pretty much every study published has used.

500mg...??? What is your bodyweight now..?
 
Sorry I meant 20/20/10/10. Some say to taper it, others say you can hop off at 20. Currently weigh in at 170lbs at 5' 6" btw and still have room to grow (cycle is proposed to start in late january to early Feb to make any needed adjustments you guys advise)
 
Serotonin101 said:
Sorry I meant 20/20/10/10. Some say to taper it, others say you can hop off at 20. Currently weigh in at 170lbs at 5' 6" btw and still have room to grow (cycle is proposed to start in late january to early Feb to make any needed adjustments you guys advise)
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How much Testosterone for a first cycle..? at 77kgs..

There's been a discussion on another site, its not too scientifically written but makes some generally good points:

OP.1:The age old debate, Why is it that in most medical studies they always take bodyweight or at least LBM into consideration when determining a dosage but you never see that mentioned in bodybuilding circles. Obviously a person with 120kgs of muscle mass will have approximately double the blood volume of someone that is 60kgs which would mean that the same amount of test ie 500mgs would be more diluted in the heavier person. And isn't it the concentration of the compound in the blood that matters? That's why when you get a blood test its how many ngs per dl of blood they measure. Not the total amount of steroid in your body, not that they could anyway.
I would be more likely to recommend a dosing scheme like 4mg/kg/ of LBM a week. Using that formula someone that's 70kgs with 12% bodyfat would have 61.5kgs LBM. So they would be recommended 246mgs, rounded to 250mgs, of test a week which is in line with most conservative suggestions.
However, for someone that is 120kgs at 18% bodyfat, they would have a LBM of 100kgs which would equate to 400mgs for their first cycle. This should result in the same concentration of hormones in the bloodstream as the 70kg person doing 250mgs.


OP.2: Well... I used 250mg of sustanon250 per week for my first cycle and went from 76kg to 84kg. I 84kg I was a lower bodyfat % than what I was at 76kg also.
if you train like a useless sack of shit and have no clue then use 500mg, if you train hard and are intelligent then use 250mg per week for first cycle and if your in the middle take 375mg lol. Simple.
250mg per week of testosterone even after you minus the ester weight is still far higher than what a natural male in the upper echelon of testosterone levels produces. You know how many fold you will increase your testosterone on 500mg/week lol. I know athletes who use 100mg/week of Pfizer testosterone cypionates and have faster recovery and higher test levels than previously had. They didn't have low test before either. They use that amount to get an advantage. Bodybuilders use the highest dosage of steroids out of all sports ppl that dope. A small dose for them is a massive dose for others.
250mg plenty. The problem is your 250mg of ug test may not be 250mg/ml or you are an idiot it's one of two reasons you will not gain.
 
^ive always wondered about that as I am considered smaller in stature I guess one could say (I wish I like 5'9" or 5'10" :/ ). Ill take that into consideration and run the idea by you guys again after the new year as my weight will have leveled off so I can get everything finely tuned
 
Genetic Freak said:
Convincing science..!!
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As of now im looking between the 300-400mg/week to take into account its not pharm grade test.

Another thing ive been curious about is transdermal test body placement locations. Im not ever gonna use androgel or anything like that (gotta pin to win amiright?). Does the location of the gel on body affect how the test is absorbed and used? Adipose tissue contains more aromatase so in theory applying the gel to an area high in fat would mean more of the test becomes estrogen correct? Just curiosity as some guy in another forum said putting the gel on his scrotum causes more of the test to convert to dht (no idea if this holds any truth).
 
Genetic Freak said:
How much Testosterone for a first cycle..? at 77kgs..

There's been a discussion on another site, its not too scientifically written but makes some generally good points:

OP.1:The age old debate, Why is it that in most medical studies they always take bodyweight or at least LBM into consideration when determining a dosage but you never see that mentioned in bodybuilding circles. Obviously a person with 120kgs of muscle mass will have approximately double the blood volume of someone that is 60kgs which would mean that the same amount of test ie 500mgs would be more diluted in the heavier person. And isn't it the concentration of the compound in the blood that matters? That's why when you get a blood test its how many ngs per dl of blood they measure. Not the total amount of steroid in your body, not that they could anyway.
I would be more likely to recommend a dosing scheme like 4mg/kg/ of LBM a week. Using that formula someone that's 70kgs with 12% bodyfat would have 61.5kgs LBM. So they would be recommended 246mgs, rounded to 250mgs, of test a week which is in line with most conservative suggestions.
However, for someone that is 120kgs at 18% bodyfat, they would have a LBM of 100kgs which would equate to 400mgs for their first cycle. This should result in the same concentration of hormones in the bloodstream as the 70kg person doing 250mgs.


OP.2: Well... I used 250mg of sustanon250 per week for my first cycle and went from 76kg to 84kg. I 84kg I was a lower bodyfat % than what I was at 76kg also.
if you train like a useless sack of shit and have no clue then use 500mg, if you train hard and are intelligent then use 250mg per week for first cycle and if your in the middle take 375mg lol. Simple.
250mg per week of testosterone even after you minus the ester weight is still far higher than what a natural male in the upper echelon of testosterone levels produces. You know how many fold you will increase your testosterone on 500mg/week lol. I know athletes who use 100mg/week of Pfizer testosterone cypionates and have faster recovery and higher test levels than previously had. They didn't have low test before either. They use that amount to get an advantage. Bodybuilders use the highest dosage of steroids out of all sports ppl that dope. A small dose for them is a massive dose for others.
250mg plenty. The problem is your 250mg of ug test may not be 250mg/ml or you are an idiot it's one of two reasons you will not gain.
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Genetic Freak said:
Convincing science..!!
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Here you go.

Appropriate dosing relative to body weight.

more is better lol
 
Smartass award goes to you good sir :P ill give $5 of commissary if you be my spades partner tho. Need to make some money
 
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