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Gyno Help Please ??
- Thread starter benzoman12345
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Not to come across rude here, but I've read enough (and now EXPERIENCED MYSELF) to conclude something about a 19nor will potentially cause gyno or something so ridiculously similar to gyno it might as well be gyno.
My nipples and surrounding area are swollen. They ever so slightly sting when not being touched, though perhaps I'd call it more of an itch. When I rub/squeeze/feel around, they're tender to touch and there's small hard lumps "inside".
Tell me that's not gyno.
I don't doubt you're showing symptoms of gyno, are you sure you've got Tren...??
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
yeah in very sensitive individuals you can have prolactin induced gyno. As for caber its not really going to get rid of it unless its a prolactin issue. I run .25mg twice a week for prolactin sides and that is frankly a hefty run of it. Its also a medication used for Parkinson Disease in the early stage so yeah its a powerful drug.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline
However he may have regular gyno in which case a short Letro cycle, then some nolva and Adex should handle it if its not too serious. As for what a DR. might do, up to the doc, of course nolva will be prescribed but if its deemed bad enough the only real course of action is surgery however I doubt that its that bad ^-^ your description sounds like you caught it super early so a short like course should sort you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline
However he may have regular gyno in which case a short Letro cycle, then some nolva and Adex should handle it if its not too serious. As for what a DR. might do, up to the doc, of course nolva will be prescribed but if its deemed bad enough the only real course of action is surgery however I doubt that its that bad ^-^ your description sounds like you caught it super early so a short like course should sort you.
I haven't tested it (if that's even possible), though I'd like to think my source is 100% legit (since he uses it himself; however he doesn't cook it himself lol). I've got more than enough reason to trust my source on its legitimacy, but as pointed out just before - he doesn't necessarily know any more about how legit this gear is than I do.
Anyway this is about OP's problem, not mine
if my apparent gyno doesn't fk off I'll start my own thread full of tears for you veteran BL'ers to feed upon :DOn that note, roughly how long should it take to "go away" if the symptoms are minor as I described?
I'm confused.. I've been reading an article on Gynaecomastia in AAS users... By Big Cat from GH-15.. his field is biochemistry and molecular biology.. a past moderator and administrator on several top BB websites, the guys a genius.... He 100% dismisses the possibility of Tren gyno, but I've been reading all day of case after case of steroid users on Tren experiencing gyno... Like he says it might be incorrect estrogen control.... I'll send you the paper..!!
Everyone I've spoken to swears by Letro, then Adex to avoid rebound....
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
The bitch of it is it may not be strictly speaking Gynaecomastia in so much as it is caused by prolactin it may be an entirely different issue with a similar symptomatology. Say like the flu and the early part of say carbon-monoxide poisoning. Similar issues lethargy, head ache nausea joint discomfort: but an entirely different route of effect. Granted I am just speculating here and so is basically every one else, Trenbolone has never been studied in Humans as far as I can find info on, so when your talking powerful 19Nors and their effects on human biology in reference to side effects and or paradoxical effects its a open field. The little info we have to go on is anecdotal and largely postulated from models based on the understanding of biochemistry and largely garnered from the Steroid Using Community at large ( and a completely uncontrolled environment) but this doesn't rule it out just brings it into question as to whether or not it is likely to happen in the majority of a given population, not taking into account individual underlying conditions, genetic disorders, and well frankly a thousand other variables including improper estrogen control.
Tren was briefly prescribed for humans and manufactured under brand name "parabolan" by some french company. It was a very brief run though from what I can tell. I can see many great uses for it though in the medical field for severe wasting conditions.
benzoman12345
Ex-Bluelighter
The side effect profile of Tren puts me off, I can only take a certain amount of Test 500mgs tops, anymore and I get a lot of anger, and Tren is said to be 5x stronger Anabolic as well as Angrogenic.
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
It has its uses with out a doubt I'm not anti tren at all in fact I ran it quiet a lot when I was still in the service . For me though I am prone to its insomnia, and the serious spike in aggressive behavior ( sort of bonuses in a combat zone ) but now I tend to shy away from it because I was the guy that gets uber aggressive from it not just from it making me aggressive but lack of sleep and headaches = dick behavior. So yeah. But I digress. You know I forgot about Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ( Parabolan). But any way ; the effects of all of these are really under studied aside from the German doping program in the 80s no real long term studies have been done on the level of Performance effects as opposed to medical uses. And really none have been done from the aspect of a medical stand point either, so really we just don't have a lot of info, and what we do have is largely contradictory. Though I have been reading and it wouldn't hurt to change up my thoughts on prolactin issues and reevaluate my approach to estrogen control. One thing I am is open to new ideas, and approaches to these compounds, keeping current with studies and new info is important to this specific life style.
But I do agree that Trebolone, and in fact most of the AAS in the book need to be reevaluated fro use in non standard therapy approaches for sports injuries, wasting conditions, ect ect. So yeah back to the books to further my knowledge in these compounds.
But I do agree that Trebolone, and in fact most of the AAS in the book need to be reevaluated fro use in non standard therapy approaches for sports injuries, wasting conditions, ect ect. So yeah back to the books to further my knowledge in these compounds.
My tits are still tender, but not as puffy any more. This is after only 5 days on Prami. Nothing else has changed 
Whether my issue is actually gyno or not, I'm very confident it's caused by the Tren > prolactin, and is remedied with Prami. Hopefully the OP is in the exact same boat
Whether my issue is actually gyno or not, I'm very confident it's caused by the Tren > prolactin, and is remedied with Prami. Hopefully the OP is in the exact same boat
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
true, Good to hear they are no longer puffy ^-^ I have never used Prami I always went with Caber how is the prami treating you ?
Noticeable drowsiness (quite strong actually), otherwise haven't noticed any other subjective/side effects yet. Only using the Prami while I wait for my Caber to show up as Prami is all my source had on hand. He didn't charge me for the Prami anyway lol. Should be swapping over to Caber after the weekend though
EDIT: actually, I'm not absolutely sure I can blame this on the Prami, but I've gained a little bit of my libido back as well as having copped unjustified erections lol. Yesterday arvo/evening I had a random unwarranted raging boner hahahahaha. Was at home and could uhh...take care of it so to speak....so I didn't care
EDIT: actually, I'm not absolutely sure I can blame this on the Prami, but I've gained a little bit of my libido back as well as having copped unjustified erections lol. Yesterday arvo/evening I had a random unwarranted raging boner hahahahaha. Was at home and could uhh...take care of it so to speak....so I didn't care
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
lol yeah happens some times when your libido is suppressed by the 19nors the sudden reappearance of it makes you feel like your 16 again and a nice wind will cause one . Right now I'm dealing with a similar situation from the melanotan II its a tad ridiculous to be honest but my girl doesn't seem to mind lol So if the drowsiness isn't from the prami whats the deal, nothing serious I hope. glad to hear its not real side effect heavy.
Nah I meant the drowsiness is the only side effect I've noticed, so I AM blaming it on the Prami. I'm taking it in the afternoons when I get home specifically because of this, so in a way it's actually a positive side effect as it actually makes me go to bed
benzoman12345
Ex-Bluelighter
Funds aren't too great atm so getting a box of 30x 2.5mg Letro this Friday, and get started on them Monday when they arrive, then I'm gna get Caber, the caber is expensive for 4 tablets it's ridiculous, but how much are your tits worth lol
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Wait... wtf??
Your not showing signs of lactation..!!! Why the Caber..????
Neoprimitive
Bluelight Crew
Benzo stick to the letro. Caber at this point for you is not the right choice, little too much for the job mate. Keep to the letro its the right tool for the job at the moment.
PS
GF- The study you sent me and some subsequent reading of the sites there in have made me restructure my estrogen control and rethink the addition of prolactin controls unless the dosages of my 19Nors are above 500mg/week for prolonged periods, or unless there are several of them in a cycle. Great read brother thanks for the science.
PS
GF- The study you sent me and some subsequent reading of the sites there in have made me restructure my estrogen control and rethink the addition of prolactin controls unless the dosages of my 19Nors are above 500mg/week for prolonged periods, or unless there are several of them in a cycle. Great read brother thanks for the science.
