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vapeing benzo powders in an e-cig ?

There's no way they'll have no effect. The only drug that really seems to have less effect on a full stomach is GBL, and that's because it has a half-life of half an hour. Even then, you can suddenly find yourself fucked, if you've double-dosed, and wake up covered in drool. You'll get the full effect of most things, if you just wait for them to be absorbed. Take (ecstasy) pills, for example. I've dropped on a full stomach loads of times, and they always work. Same with benzos. Anything that doesn't get absorbed sublingually will eventually get absorbed by the stomach. :)
 
Treacle said:
Same with benzos. Anything that doesn't get absorbed sublingually will eventually get absorbed by the stomach. :)
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This is just not quite true though is it. When I go to the toilet I shit stuff out. It doesn't all get absorbed. There is even some moisture in there. You will never absorb 100% of anything and if your stomach is full absorption must be reduced.
 
I have no problem with sublingual suboxone, but it's designed for that ROA. I wonder if it's possible to somehow change the formulation of etizolam to make it viable for SL use?

Re dosing etizolam in an e-cig, it's a great idea in theory. The only downside is working out how much drug you're getting per puff could be difficult; if you could calculate exactly how many puffs you're getting per cartridge, then you'd easily be able to work out dosage. Eg if you get 100 drags per cart, you could put 100mgs into a cart; one drag=1mg. Of course, these things hold a minimal amount of PG, I really doubt there'd be enough PG in a cart to dissolve the etizolam. I guess you could partially evaporate your solution. Does PG even evaporate btw?

This is something I'd really be interested in trying; I use e-cigs a lot, and right now I'm dosing my etiz by cutting it with inert powder- vape dosing would seem to be very efficient, and convenient. Also, puffing an e-cig is not suspicious at all-you could use etizolam pretty much anywhere and nobody would have a clue.
 
knock said:
This is just not quite true though is it. When I go to the toilet I shit stuff out. It doesn't all get absorbed. There is even some moisture in there. You will never absorb 100% of anything and if your stomach is full absorption must be reduced.
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I worded that wrong. I should have said 'anything that can be absorbed will be'. I know a lot of things have a shit bioavailability, when taken in different ways. I was meaning benzos, more than anything.
 
Plugged etiz is far superior in all repects. Instant effects, not over-convenient so limited scope for fucking up in public, accurate dosing... I've just plugged 3mg etiz a minute ago to come down off too much GBL (was starting to feel a bit fucking hyper, which is the only subjective downside to GBL) and now I feel just normal(ish) again <3 win win win.
 
The stimulation bit is the best bit! Throw in some sexual deviance, and you're onto a winner. Being monged out on GBL is shit, just going between waking up and redosing, and passing out. That dose between being really high and passing out is hard to hit. Is it rebound, or actual stimulation that you don't want?
 
I've had several hours of manic stimulation and I need to wind down. Yeah the stimulation is the best bit, but a man can only take so much =D

Lying in bed kicking and punching mattress is fine for a wee while but the cat gets scared when I get a bit frisky, and so do I :D

She's been out in the streets several times tonight, sometimes she ran, other times I put her out for her own safety. She comes coming back though. It must be all too fascinating for her.
 
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dopemegently said:
I have no problem with sublingual suboxone, but it's designed for that ROA. I wonder if it's possible to somehow change the formulation of etizolam to make it viable for SL use?

Re dosing etizolam in an e-cig, it's a great idea in theory. The only downside is working out how much drug you're getting per puff could be difficult; if you could calculate exactly how many puffs you're getting per cartridge, then you'd easily be able to work out dosage. Eg if you get 100 drags per cart, you could put 100mgs into a cart; one drag=1mg. Of course, these things hold a minimal amount of PG, I really doubt there'd be enough PG in a cart to dissolve the etizolam. I guess you could partially evaporate your solution. Does PG even evaporate btw?

This is something I'd really be interested in trying; I use e-cigs a lot, and right now I'm dosing my etiz by cutting it with inert powder- vape dosing would seem to be very efficient, and convenient. Also, puffing an e-cig is not suspicious at all-you could use etizolam pretty much anywhere and nobody would have a clue.
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i presume all liquids evaporate, (as mpg is one of the main ingredients in these ecig juices it vapes just fine, and vape is short for evaporate ?) boiling or steaming might destroy the etIz/ another any benzo, as might vapeing though. Having a too rich or condensensed strong concentration might rsisk somehow clogging up/ fucking up the e-cig. Probably a stronger benzo like phenazepam would be more effective, but we all know what a potential train wreck that is dont we, especially vapeing it, omg, No!, No!, No!, as maggie thatcher would say.
 
Gbl is a funny one, very atypical downer. I love the stuff but I can't just take a bit and watch tv - just feel uncomfortable and get proper RLS.

I got a similar philosophy on absorption to treacle. I'll eat a meal and then bomb some mandy straight on top. Generally come up a treat within the hour.
 
I don't think having a full stomach stops any absorption, as it all eventually makes its way into your gut, and all the goodness will be absorbed from there, if not from the stomach. It's just stuff that has an extremely short half-life that you need to absorb quickly, and that's what an empty stomach (or anus) is useful for. ;)
 
Treacle said:
I don't think having a full stomach stops any absorption, as it all eventually makes its way into your gut, and all the goodness will be absorbed from there, if not from the stomach. It's just stuff that has an extremely short half-life that you need to absorb quickly, and that's what an empty stomach (or anus) is useful for. ;)
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Treacle:

You're talking shite.

Cheers

knock


ps I don't have the energy to explain why. Mainly I think it's pretty fucking obvious.

Let wiki help me out.
 
Someone has sand in their vagina. That's like saying that if you eat veg on a full stomach, you don't absorb all the nutrients. I've never been told to eat greens on an empty stomach. Can you provide some factual links, or am I just wrong? As other people have already said, oral drugs end up working just as well, just slower. That's my experience.

Sorry, I see you did provide a link. However, that doesn't clear anything up. I've already said food will slow absorption, but not prevent it. Stomach acids will eventually break down everything in there, and the intestines will get any remaining actives out.
 
I have already provided you with a factual link. Read it!

No sand in my vagina. I'm just baffled.

You're a smart guy, Treacle. But you're not thinking this through, and you've not read my link :D (not that you should have to. It's a simple matter of plumbing. Although there is more to it than plumbing, as you will find out.)
 
Stomach acids do NOT break down EVERYTHING there. Jesus. You need to try those german toilets where the shit sits on a little shelf and lets you analyse your poo. Have a good poke, fascinating substance. Full of undigested crap. AND WATER! Water which sometimes has DRUGS dissolved in it. The rectum is designed to soak up water, that's why it's good for drugs; however it is not 100% efficient. Unless you poo dry shit? Do you poo dry shit?


I thought Raas was going to cause me brain damage, I see he's forming an army :D
 
knock said:
Do you poo dry shit?
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Have you ever had constipation from opiates? ;) On a side-note, milk of magnesia is the best for opiate constipation, ever. It works by drawing water into your intestines, and doesn't cause any of the horrifically painful side-effects from other laxatives. I know I've said this elsewhere, but it's useful information.

You're right, I know drugs are excreted unchanged. However, that percentage is normally set, and isn't changed by stomach contents. I'm not Googling any of this, by the way. It was just my understanding that taking drugs on a full stomach just slowed things down. I may be wrong.

The fact that I've had to edit this 3 or 4 times, due to massive English mistakes, may mean I don't know what I'm on about tonight. ;) I normally don't have to edit my posts once.
 
lol yes I have had opiate constipation :D But the poo is still moist. Just a lot less moist! I know, because I had to remove it from my rectum with my fingers ;)

By the way, I'm happy to admit that sometimes it doesn't matter much if you've got a little food in your stomach. And if I eat a pill or a capsule, I almost always take it with a small amount of food, because it makes sure it gets it down my throat. A drink can sometimes leave the bastard stuck in my gullet. Half an oatcake or a few nuts is my usual plan. Plus, if you take some food, it stimulates digestion, so will get the drug digested quicker.

And I know (because I'm not lazy and I did google!) that some drugs are better absorbed with some food(s). And if you're taking certain drugs, eating grapefruit will help metabolism. So sometimes food is good for drugs.

But we're talking about the difference between a full stomach and an empty one. To me that means we're talking about: do we take our drugs before or after Christmas dinner? Food can have chemical effects on drug metabolism, and it can have mechanical effects too. It's the mechanical effects I'm concerned about. If your stomach is full of roast potatoes, even mash, I will bet the cat's life that those potatoes will act a bit like a sponge and prevent full absorption of my Christmas drugs :)

Like Santa Claus, though, I prefer my presents to come via the chimney :D A good Christmas Eve sweep helps clear out the soot. Poor little Oliver. I've ordered an enema kit from Amazon as my syringe plunging muscles (and Oliver's sweeping arm) are getting a bit over-exercised, 5ml at a time is a shade too slow. Hopefully MM will be back from strike so I get my order in time for the festive season.
 
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Drug molecules tend to be around the size of amino acids, the resulting products of acid digestion of proteins in the stomach, and therefore should be well primed for absorption in the early part of the small intestine. Compare the structures of amphetamine and phenylalanine maybe. Not that I would be surprised if someone told me I was losing 15% or so by taking with food, however, considering oral bio availability is often 50 -70% whatever you do I guess I feel like the amounts of drug squandered by administration with food is not too big a deal for me.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Has anyone tried to vape a solution of propylene glycol containing benzo powder using an e-cigarette ?

Did it work ?

Do some types of benzo work better than others, or do none of them work at all under such a ROA ?
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sorry but this how i see this ending up you in one with 12 months if you start down that road
 
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