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Who plays the guitar here, and how good are you ?

They did give credit for Nobody's Fault But Mine, and eventually for all of the other ones for which they failed to do so at the beginning. I'm fairly sure Willie Dixon was credited from the start though, although maybe that's just on the new album releases.
But as you said, that's what blues have always been about anyway. They learn off each other and work on each other's songs. 'Ripping off' is a completely idiotic way to put it.
No offense to you Ismene, I just don't like people criticising Zep :D

No offence taken Pagey! I think there is something a bit shady about some of the zep stuff - it wasn't even just old public domain blues songs. For instance, see if this guitar lick from 1961 rings any bells!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvtabNAb_wE

Nice guitar playing on stairway pagey btw!
 
Too much testosterone-geetar, still. And I never said that vuirtuosity and passion need be exclusive. Exhibit a: Maurice Deebank. Classically trained, but knows when not to play:

Felt - Crystal Ball‎

Exhibit b: Greg Sage. Too virtuoso for the 'punks', not macho enough for the Slash brigade:

Wipers - Youth Of America

Exhibit c: Bob Quine. No flashy solos, but the textures! Oh my! Just listen to what he's doing back there.

Richard Hell & The Voidoids - The Plan

There are three who wouldn't get a mention otherwise. And that's criminal.

I could think of more. Notice I didn't put Thunders in there? Huh? :D
 
Gregg Ginns surely got to get a mention! Virtuoso at playing all the wrong notes and making it sound right. Rollins said he used to practise 10 hours a day. Kurt Cobain took a lot of the Ginn atitude in the solos on Nevermind.
 
No offence taken Pagey! I think there is something a bit shady about some of the zep stuff - it wasn't even just old public domain blues songs. For instance, see if this guitar lick from 1961 rings any bells!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvtabNAb_wE

Nice guitar playing on stairway pagey btw!

Blinking flip - listen to this pagey! Recorded 2 years before stairway to heaven!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd8AVbwB_6E

Yeah I'd heard that second one before - not to be pedantic but I'm not really convinced Led Zep had anything to do with that one, the main riff to both that Taurus song and Stairway is quite a basic scale and they both put their own variations on it...as far as I can tell that basic scale is the only similarity between the two songs. An obvious similarity yes, but an unsurprising one.

Agreed Page clearly takes some inspiration from that first link (which is awesome btw), but I don't think he ever pretended not to be heavily influenced from previous blues masters! Obviously there's a difference between that and not crediting all their covers (which I'm not defending), but in this particular case I don't really see anything bad about what is nothing more than inspiration. Every band does that.
Edit: just listened to it again and can't believe I didn't think of it immediately, but that's one of the most common blues licks out there - a variation on that lick was one of the first things I ever learned on guitar. Bobby Parker definitely didn't come up with it any more than Page did!

I'm really not trying to refute the fact they should definitely have given credit where credit was due in some instances, but I also think people like to massively over-play the extent to which Zep 'ripped off' other bands...and tend to forget 'ripping off' is how a lot of music is constructed.
...Fuck I hope all those years of reading Zep biography after Zep biography are paying off in making this post at least somewhat convincing :D
 
Gregg Ginns surely got to get a mention! Virtuoso at playing all the wrong notes and making it sound right. Rollins said he used to practise 10 hours a day. Kurt Cobain took a lot of the Ginn atitude in the solos on Nevermind.

Yeah, absolutely! Though not much Flag material bears witness to his brilliance.

The Process Of Weeding Out, however... :D

He was more influenced by Ornette Coleman than Jimi Hendrix. It shows.
 
im ok ,,,bit idionatic

so was sid ,,,couldnt play they never plugged him in at all! He pretended but looked groovy.

bowie apparently couldnt either since the spiders did that. Idionatic..see .. i dont just call for advice!

mars and i mean johnny ahem not bruno
 


Live it's a whole new league of guitar, your lungs feel like they collapsed, sound is ran through Sunn tube amps, whole place shakes.
No joke, it was the most amazing guitar "playing" I ever heard or felt (yeah you feel it all damn right, down to 20Hz)

I saw Sunn O))) Live review =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duvy3ewoks



What the fucking hell was that? I was skipping through the video waiting for the music to start. Oh. You mean that droning pulsing noise is the music?
 
What the fucking hell was that? I was skipping through the video waiting for the music to start. Oh. You mean that droning pulsing noise is the music?

That is Sunn O))) live
They do what's called "Drone" when I saw them it was like that "music" for about 45mins then a slight "riff" for the last part, some of their songs like bass aliens are 23mins long so I guess an 11min clip doesn't do it justice as you can't get a full taste of their erm "sound"

First time I heard 'em like everyone else I was truly appalled but it's "music" you really need huge speakers to understand, you know music & I'm sure you understand frequency, their stuff goes down to 20Hz.

Pieces I've cut from interview with Oren Ambarchi from the band, might give you a better idea of it & why I <3 their guitar playing

"physical low frequency sounds appeal to me and I've been using them since my first solo release on Touch. Since then, circa 1999, these low end frequencies have become one of my main concerns. Playing with Sunn O))) is such a pleasure, as it's so bass-heavy and trance-inducing"

"my solo work has become much slower, lower in the frequency spectrum and much more physical, especially when I perform live. Since I began working with Sunn O))) I've learnt a lot about sound pressure, resonance and feedback and how pleasurable it can be to bathe in physical soundwaves."

"and the low frequencies set off the fire alarms and sprinklers in the concert halls"
 
I've got a pretty decent sound system so I'll give em another go with an open mind. To be honest, some of the stuff you've quoted from the band member has me a little intrigued.
 
Been playing 11 years not so much over the last couple of years though sadly! I was very good at one point, play stuff like Hendrix, Santana, pink Floyd, and classic rock or blues.

Anyway got a 2008 American fender strat I bought new and a Marshall AVT150 valve state amp
 
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