☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 2C-T-2 Thread

[Jesusgreen]

^ Sadly got no more T-2 to experiment with Hopefully I'll get some more though, but just had a single dose.

Weird because I'm smoking aMT tonight and it's giving me strong effects at tiny doses. Maybe the T-2 was just a bad batch or something? Me and my friend haven't had problems with any of this guy's stuff before but everyone makes mistakes.

My other theory is that my friend's scale was off at the time.

I dunno, I was pretty chilled and happy the whole time I just got stomach ache and nausea. It wasn't bad mind you, I never get very nauseous on most drugs, and I agree that it's mostly mind over body when it comes to it.. but in 40 something trips even the worst of my 2C-E bodyloads didn't quite reach that level. (For me that level was still very mild and easy to handle, but like I said, I have a very strong stomach, so I could see it being rough for someone else. E.g. 2C-P causes no bodyload for me but causes all my friends to projectile vomit )

 

[lamanogaucha]

It's hard to imagine a more visual version of 2C-T-2.

I've tested oral 2C-T-7 at 12mg (which was combined with 18mg of 4-AcO-DMT an hour and a half later), 25mg, 30mg (on four occasions) and 35mg. At 25mg, the OEV's were strong; at 30mg, OEV's were very strong indeed; at 35mg, OEV's were extremely strong, at times literally blinding me in a complex ocean of colored light. As you can imagine, at these three dosages (but particularly at 30mg and 35mg), CEV's were truly magnificent, perhaps the most spectacularly beautiful I've ever "seen" (if not necessarily the most "meaningful" or "cosmic"). For me, it's hard to imagine a more visual version of 2C-T-7. There are many other remarkable things that I could mention regarding this substance, but that is beyond the scope of this thread. I'll test 2C-T-2 during November and/or December and return with some observations. Thanks for the input, SA!

 

[PepperSocks]

^ Sadly got no more T-2 to experiment with

Man that sucks you have no more.. BUT, if you ever find yourself on a break from psychs, this is a good one to return to. I'm sure you know all about how the best and deepest trips happen when you haven't tripped in a long time. Next time you take 2C-T-2 try to make it one of those experiences.
You don't have to mega-dose it; I have a feeling that would just make the come-up harder and bring an element of undesired dopamine/norepi-type stimulation. Anything from 18-25mg depending on your hard-headedness should do the trick. The low 20s is the highest I'll go.

I agree with SA on the matters of this one being very capable of bring in the ++++, and if not, the +++ is very euphoric in the body, much like MDMA but on a calmer level. It's actually on a much higher level when you really sink into that state. The tactile sensations on T-2 were superior to those produced from MDMA, IME. The Somatic-Psychological connections I've had on T-2 are the best I've ever felt from any psychedelic.
And yeah, the nausea is all in the mind. I've also had 4-AcO-DMT give me much worse nausea than 2C-T-2. I know it's the same case for 2C-E. Like I said; 2C-E has given me some of the most somatically painful experiences I've ever had, but I know it's just because it's a strong psychedelic and I never broke through the barrier with it.

Out of the few ++++'s I've had, the two time I took T-2, I reached a state, something above a +++. I don't know how to describe it; I'll be lying there enjoying the calm somatic sensations, and all of a sudden I'll come back from somewhere, with a gap in my time continuum, knowing I just came from some heavenly place, but without the hard memory of it.
It's like the conscious mind isn't capable of holding onto the memory of that. That's my experience of ++++'s anyway.

 

[Termino]

What I'm asking is, if I were wanting to try this compound out for purely recreational purposes (the empathogenic/visual qualities), and stay on the low-dose range, would it serve the purpose adequately?

I've done low dose oral (gel-capped) 2C-T-2 at a Renaissance Faire and at a Gov't Mule concert. 12mg was lot's of fun at the Ren Faire, not at all overwhelming, I was able to hold a conversation with friends & family. No one had a clue that I was tripping. I had eaten breakfast (nothing else later except beer), dosed about noon, and was back at baseline by 7 pm.

12mg was just OK at the concert; due to the noise, dancing, etc. I could have used a bit more... but I'm glad that I didn't as my ride wanted to cut out early & I eventually had to drive. I had dosed around 7:30 pm and drove around 1 am. It took more concentration than usual but I was fine. If I had dosed higher I would have ended up staying in my car for a while.

 

[Jesusgreen]

PepperSocks, just from the light experience I had I can tell it's one I want to return to with no tolerance when I next come across it. It had something really unique about it, and it's the extremely unique psychedelics like 2C-B, 2C-E and aMT that have given me the most interesting experiences.

The tactile sensations on T-2 were superior to those produced from MDMA, IME.

Even when I was +/++ I can agree with that, even at that level touch felt much better than on MDMA and I thought it was placebo at the time but I had a shower on the come up and touch felt incredible. Then as the substance peaked I finally realised it was the drug doing that after all.

pontifex01 as I said in my posts I found it very light at the dosage I took - obviously that was largely due to tolerance and going by experiences I've read, my level of experience was something more like the 10-12mg range. I think something like 15mg or so would be a nice level if you just want a light fun trip. That's just speculation though but I'm sure others will confirm a good dose range - it'd certainly serve the purpose imo though

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

I went into 2c-t-2 expecting it was going to be super hard on my body and very analytical and introspective and had the opposite reaction. My first active bioassay was at 22mgs and it wasn't very impressive but at 30mgs+ is where the uniqueness comes through and it's very much a blissed out hedonic buzz for me. And yes. The tactile is fucking incredible. Would love to do this stuff with a sexy cuddle buddy.

2c-p though was VERY introspective and analytical. At a point I caught up in some negative/insecurity thoughtloops.

 

[Okami]

I was planning on doing 15mg as a first time dose this saturday, is this a sensible first time dose? I don't have too much of this niche chemical to titrate upwards slowly that much. I'm going to be tripping with an experienced person who's only psychedelic experience outside of mdma (of you choose to count it) is 20mg 2c-b which they said was underwhelming. Would it be an appropriate dose for someone inexperienced? We're aiming for museum dose level methinks.

 

[advancedneuropathy]

I have plans to do a solo mission in my new place with mostly nothing but limited decor, music, a laptop, a pen, pad and my mind. My only concern is I like being outdoors(nature), but I am in a city where I know no one well enough to chill with, nor a safe locale. I'm fine with being alone with my head, I've done it many times. Just never with these RC's. Any thoughts?

 

[Synaesthesia242]

Yeah should be fine. The "RC" name is really meaningless and arbitrary. Essentially it depends on your mental preparedness, dosage and the nature of the chemical, a well as your surroundings. Don't take a crazy high dose. And good friends around are always rad. But solo trips can be cool.

 

[nuke]

With 20.0 mg (180 lbs, male): "There was profound nausea around the +1.5 h mark, but it was not enough to make me vomit. Gradually the nausea fades into a psychedelic effect. Birds leave trails behind them, colour is enhanced, the sky shimmers like an oil slick. This moment of intensity fades into an analytical mindset and I became fascinated with the depth of objects. It was as if my vision had become three dimensional and I could see the volume of the clouds. Negative space took on special meaning. I found a place under a tree and felt as if it were my home in the universe, like everything had fallen into place. At some point, the nausea came back a little and then left again, and I began to wonder if this second episode was nothing more than psychosomatic. I began seeing my the minor subconscious anxieties I had in day to day life one at a time, as if they materialized before me. Sequentially, I was able to identify and then cope with each anxiety, after which the anxiety dissolved. It was as if I entered a totally safe space to explore and accept my worries. I realized that I worry extensively about my ability to seem sincere when speaking to others; I do not know the root of this, but am able to identify it and it seems okay. My thought patterns are lucid, and aside from a slightly disrupted short term memory I am able to converse with ease. I think it unlikely that anyone would be able to tell I was intoxicated. Peak lasted no more than 1.5-2 h, and a gradual comedown continued until about 7 h after ingestion. I am exhausted afterwards. Good material."

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Did you write this? It's really good, explained a lot in a short amount of time.

Whoever wrote it, I know that feeling....especially the analytical mindset mentioned, and the safe place with 2C-T-2. It was also 'sharper', less emotional but not lacking it...just less likely to inspire one to get on his knees and thank the Earth, or God, or choose your flavor...as I have seen with a few people including myself on 2C-T-7.

Unfortunately for me, whether it was my 'set' at the time, and/or lack of understanding of how to be at one with your body...which is handy for dealing with 'body load' and the need to purge but it's not the right moment..T2 just didn't seem to jive with me. Pretty sure I gave it all away so I doubt I'll get to reassess it.. Anyways, the profound nausea was really bad with 2C-T-2...there was always a really good trip underneath it all, but whether 14mg, or whatever I took last time...on up to 30mg in my early trials....I at least once said 'never again' and by trial 4 that stuck.

With 20.0 mg (180 lbs, male): "There was profound nausea around the +1.5 h mark, but it was not enough to make me vomit. Gradually the nausea fades into a psychedelic effect. Birds leave trails behind them, colour is enhanced, the sky shimmers like an oil slick. This moment of intensity fades into an analytical mindset and I became fascinated with the depth of objects. It was as if my vision had become three dimensional and I could see the volume of the clouds. Negative space took on special meaning. I found a place under a tree and felt as if it were my home in the universe, like everything had fallen into place. At some point, the nausea came back a little and then left again, and I began to wonder if this second episode was nothing more than psychosomatic. I began seeing my the minor subconscious anxieties I had in day to day life one at a time, as if they materialized before me. Sequentially, I was able to identify and then cope with each anxiety, after which the anxiety dissolved. It was as if I entered a totally safe space to explore and accept my worries. I realized that I worry extensively about my ability to seem sincere when speaking to others; I do not know the root of this, but am able to identify it and it seems okay. My thought patterns are lucid, and aside from a slightly disrupted short term memory I am able to converse with ease. I think it unlikely that anyone would be able to tell I was intoxicated. Peak lasted no more than 1.5-2 h, and a gradual comedown continued until about 7 h after ingestion. I am exhausted afterwards. Good material."

 

[nuke]

Did you write this? It's really good, explained a lot in a short amount of time.

I did, but none of the experience is mine. Rather, it's the summation of my notes from interviewing the person (an industry chemist) who came to me asking for a sitter for their experience.

Thanks for the compliment. 2C-T-2 was a favourite among my old friends back in the day. I saw it induce a single ++++ experience, and heard positive results from many others. Unfortunately it's a material I never got to enjoy; maybe some day, time and availability affording. 2C-T-7 I have also never encountered, but it always sounded like an interesting compound.

 

[Marijuanster]

I had 3 grams of this stuff a while back I wish I still had more as its my favorite 2c so far.

 

[infantannihilator]

3 grams? god damn how did you go through that much, i feel that would have me set for LIFE given the fact that there are so many other ubstances to try.

at 20mg a dose.. 3g should last a long ass time lol

 

[Marijuanster]

It was supposed to last forever but oh well I tripped ALOT at high dosages (i was a lot younger and loved trippin') and spread it around my community/shared with brothers. I still had about 500mgs at the end but my youngest brother stole it Lol.

As far as dose goes usually i would take 20-30 intranasaly followed by more bumps throughout the night/day to keep that full head of psychedelic steam going. Besides my brother no one else could handle doses like that though, or no one wanted too

 

[Anon0631]

Here's a warning about 2c-t-2:

A friend and I took 10mg intranasally last weekend. Within minutes she was feeling strange and by 10 minutes she was throwing up constantly and having effects that she described later as the intensity of a DMT breakthrough but constant and unrelenting. Meanwhile I was experiencing the expected mild to moderate effects.

She's ok and we ended up having an amazing weekend but be aware that ideosycratic reactions can occur on this compound. I imagine that if we had taken the 20mg we were originally planning, there would have been a hospital visit.

 

[Solipsis]

Yes my best friend had a similar reaction to snorted 2C-T-2 (which my friend believed to be 2C-T-21 at the time due to being informed, supplied and guided by a dyslexic and quaint individual). IMO people should not insufflate 2C-T-X compounds - it does not seem to agree with the metabolism corresponding to enteral vs. parenteral administration (at least that is what I infer).
Glad everyone's okay.

 

[Anon0631]

Bizarrely she can snort 15mg of 2c-b without a single complaint.

I find insufflation and rectal administration to be the best ways to take the 2-c compounds because it completely avoids associated diarrhoea. I also find snorting is the most convenient way to titrate dose. I was fine with 15mg 2c-t-2 intranasally.

I'm re-reading PiHKAL and there's a chapter about how variable Aleph-2 was between different individuals. I guess the same is true of it's 2 carbon homologue.

 

[Solipsis]

I'm not sure that you can compare 2C-halo's like 2C-B with 2C-T's, I've also insufflated 2C-B and 2C-C and only found the caustic nature in my nose and consequent pain a problem. With something like insufflating 2C-E and 2C-P I would advise caution regarding intensity and with 2C-P additionally the potency (you really visit single digit mg dosage territory of a seemingly unforgiving compound). But 2C-T's seem different.
I never dared snorting any but read of and heard of so many adverse and potentially dangerous reactions that I consider it foolish to do anything like insufflation, injection or reckless combination with them. They are the main ones to potentially cause critical serotonergic effects, delerium, significant GI disturbance and death. There are a few possible explanation for that, but until we fully understand it... enough to deal with it accordingly, isn't it short-sighted to tempt fate for reasons that are hardly if ever convincing.
I'd like to check the literature on metabolism differences to see if there are any indications on why thio's might be different..

 

[bloodshed344]

I insufflated a large dose of 2C-T-2 once, about 20 mg. I could see how this could be lethal in a large amount, because I could feel a feeling of "too much" if it was stronger. But on the level I was at, that feeling was good.

The first time I did 2C-T-2 I got some strange visuals. Black vibrations, black and green swirls in the edges of my vision, thought I saw bugs a few times that weren't there. Hands felt like they were buzzing. Then I got home and played some Halo: Reach and the broken debris and rock on the title screen looked like an infinitely complex space station with red and blue colors running throughout it. It was a strange, nonmoving visual. It remained still and profound, and as I looked closer it grew in complexity. Surely haven't had such visuals from anything else.