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Question about Ketamine

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Im a pretty new with using ketamine and this weekend I got the chance to rave while on k.

After the rave me and a friend walked home and smoked a joint, and told me the amount of k i had would probably be enough to k-hole. So ya I went to my place and followed his advice (small bumps because im fairly new, dark room, quiet, relax etc) and I never ended up k-holing, i felt fantastic but didnt have any of the sensations associated with k-holing.

I was wondering if anyone had any tricks for making k-holing easier? Or is it completely normally to not be able to k-hole on the first try.
 
Instead of k holing on your first try, surely it is better to become more comfortable with the drug before putting yourself into a sometimes surreal experience for some?

When i got into k, i k-holed after a few session's. It was at a mates place who had a decent amount so i just racked myself biggest line i could think of. Everyone in the room went ''ooooohhhh'' knowing my inexperience. And next what seemed like 3hours (Really half an hour lol) was quite weird wonderful and sublime!

But for a more accurate answer, here is a chart from erowid showing various dosages. :)

Insufflated / Nasal Ketamine Dosages.....

by body weight approx total

Threshold .1 mg / lb 10 - 15 mg

Light .15 mg / lb 15 - 30 mg

Common .3 mg / lb 30 - 75 mg

Strong .5 - .75 mg / lb 60 - 125 mg

The K Hole 1 mg / lb 100 - 250 mg

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml
 
is the k-hole something to aim for or something to avoid .. have i read that it makes u want to die; or that u believe youre dead .. ?
 
That is more in likely the depersonalization .22 I quite like that feeling.

[God i miss k. Cannot really do it anymore as it makes my rose runny next day and stores up in this weird like crevice/cave in my nose]
 
.22 said:
is the k-hole something to aim for or something to avoid .. have i read that it makes u want to die; or that u believe youre dead .. ?
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Something to aim for, like ego death with psychedelics. However, just like ego death, some say to avoid it because they can't handle it.

It doesn't make you want to die, or make you believe you're dead. It's so often related to death because you lay there and are completely dissociated from your body. You're just consciousness in the universe without a grounding. In a universal void, so to speak, but not a void, because you can think of everything and anything instead of nothing.
 
.22 said:
is the k-hole something to aim for or something to avoid .. have i read that it makes u want to die; or that u believe youre dead .. ?
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It won't make you believe you are dead but it will make you lose all sense of time and space, so to speak. It's just this infinite universe that has always been there and where you have always belonged, you will know of nothing else during the duration of effects and I find the experience to be extremely blissful. It's kind of the best answer I can give.

I also know some people find it terrifying.

@OP if you are aiming for the (w)hole experience, you should take a large dose at once and not do small consecutive bumps. :)
 
This is pretty much how my cousin explained k-holing to me.. basically a disconnection between your mind and your body, allowing for some really unique experiences.

It sounds amazing when put that way.
 
Yea k holing is nothing to be afraid of, and as much as time and space loses all meaning, it will be done before you know it.
It's a beautiful experience and my absolute favourite psychedelic experience, being entire levels above what I have experienced on LSD or even DMT.
Whether you should strive to k-hole is up to you, but make sure you do it in a controlled environment, your bedroom is generally the safest bet
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
Yea k holing is nothing to be afraid of, and as much as time and space loses all meaning, it will be done before you know it.
It's a beautiful experience and my absolute favourite psychedelic experience, being entire levels above what I have experienced on LSD or even DMT.
Whether you should strive to k-hole is up to you, but make sure you do it in a controlled environment, your bedroom is generally the safest bet
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How long would one long on average if you could give one?
 
I'd say 30 minutes max.
There are sort of pseudo k holes which can be achieved in very dark areas in a type of sensory deprivation by remaining very still and removing thought from your brain, a sort of meditation induced k hole if you will, but this differ from actual k holes in the way that say your phone goes off or someone walks into the room, you can be snapped out of the experience.
However they feel very identical in the way that your entire field of vision can be overcome with visuals and you lose your sense of time and space.
They tend to last shorted but I prefer this way because they are far easier to remember because maybe 125mg may be needed instead of 250mg.
 
Did it take you practice to be able to go into this... "meditation induced k hole"?

I havent been doing Ketamine very long, my first experience was a few months ago, and this is the first month ive done it more than once in 4 weeks.. mainly just because i have a supply now. But ive become increasingly more comfortable doing it which is why now im trying to k-hole.
 
Not really, ketamine puts you in a very relaxed state.
But the line between this and an actual k hole is very close.
If you see visuals start to take place, simply stare at one spot on the roof and let your eyes fall out of focus.
When I do this I start to see a black border starting to creep in toward to center of my vision, then the visuals come and it all begins swirling at the center of my vision and then I'm gone
 
Well when you put it that way it sounds like i may have come close? if that is a thing haha..
At one point when i was staring at my roof trying to unfocus my eyes my vision became very blurry obviously, then all i could see was a trippy purple wall, but i was still very much aware i was still in my room, and it only lasted for a handful of seconds.

I was also high on MDMA and had just smoked a joint as i had mentioned when i made the thread, would this have made me more susceptible to a k-hole or would it have the opposite effect?
 
MDMA or any stimulant makes it very very difficult to hole, and the visuals won't be near as intense.
If I'm on MDMA I need atleast triple my regular dose to go into a k hole, I only do it with mdma at a rave to balance out any speediness that comes with the mdma and to make my dancing feel a little more lucid
If you're going to try to use ketamine as a psychedelic (which I strongly suggest you do, it is the only way I really really enjoy it) then do it sober.
Perhaps a little stoned, it helps to add to the body high and the numbness.
Weed and ketamine can synergize beautifully, but stimulants just dull the experience enormously.
 
Ketamine is one best left to itself imo. The most profound experiences I've had with K have been when I was sober.
 
Since this is a K-hole related topic, have this link to research people's different views on what a K-hole is:
The official ketamine K-hole subthread

I might summarize posts in the OP later that all give definitions.
And this will be merged with it in due time.
 
Just put out a huge fucking line and rail it all. You'll get there, trust me. I recommend around 200 - 300 mgs for starters.
K holing on MDMA is incredible. I went through a half gram of M accompanied by a few lines, followed by one bigger line about 5 - 6 inches and really thick. A magical experience that will forever remain embedded in my mind. :)
 
its very good to have a sitter...once I k-holed and when I came out of it I didn't know what reality was and started yelling that I was god and destroying my room .....i had the door locked and my roomates became very alarmed bc they didn't know what I was doing or that I was on K....i could have hurt myself or somebody else because I didn't realize what I was doing and had no control over my actions......K-holing is a very strange experience and always feels very foreign and somewhat scary....not as scary as a DMT trip....nmda antagonists are a bit friendlier than tryptamines but its still a very intense experience.

The best way to imporve your chances to K-hole and get totally out of body are to IV the drug....getting the does instantly all at once will teleport you into the other dimension more effictivley than easing into it by snorting
 
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