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Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 2.0

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AFA said:
Also anyone give their 2c on meth bongs with water against straight pipes? Whats betterer
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Well is a little know fact that when Methamphetamine Hydrochloride is vaporized the ion bond is broken deprotonating the amine, leaving a non miscible Meth alkaloid and the acid used in the neutralization reaction that made the meth salt.

Advantages of the Meth bong.
  • Meth freebase vapour is not water soluble.
  • Hydrochloride (HCl) is water soluble
  • The pyrolytic product of meth HCI, (trans-bete-rnethylstyrene) is water soluble.
  • Meany cuts and synthesis byproducts are water soluble

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The water in meth bongs don't catch Meth crystal after heating because that is a salt, the vapor is a free base the freebases vapor is not subject to be captured by the bong water. Sure there will be some molecular collisions that result in Meth salts but that is a minuscule number. What the water does capture in the bad shit like the HCl ( Hydrochloric acid) and the known carcinogen trans-bete-rnethylstyrene commonly called trans-Phenylpropen. trans-Phenylpropen is produce every time meth is smoked. between 2-10 % depending on how much the shit is over heated,
 
I've got a couple of meth bongs somewhere in my room that are like the ones above(except they don't look like cocks) but mine run through multiple filters and look more like decorative vases. Although I think they're more for novelty use, they're definately more effective that using a conventional crackie. It cleans up the vapour you're inhaling which is great if you've got some nasty cuts. Meth lasts longer and you feel like you get much more out of it. I can't really explain how it works but the dude above me sounds like he does.
 
p-man said:
I've got a couple of meth bongs somewhere in my room that are like the ones above(except they don't look like cocks
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Does your cock look like that?

Mate, I'd get that checked out if I were you, especially that tentacle looking growth on the side.
 
tentram said:
nice post, docta. did that info come from a particular article that you can link?
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I don't know if you have medline access but some of the article is covered

Look for the peer review in Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology 211 (2006) 148 – 156

Epoxidation of the methamphetamine pyrolysis product, trans-phenylpropene, to trans-phenylpropylene oxide
by CYP enzymes and stereoselective glutathione adduct formation.


The pyrolysis kinetics for the deprotonation of Methamphetamium Chloride to Methamphetamine + Hydrogen chloride are straight up physical chemistry.

The alkenylbenzene oxidation products are a bit more tricky, kind of a variation of the Hoffman-degradation that eliminates the methylamine with a dealkalization ion exchange. Formerly an amine the functional group becomes alkene.

I'll have a look through my files for the paper that did the numbers on the second law of thermodynamics effect on Meth HCl dealkalization ion exchange. It give s the best information on how much trans-Phenylpropen is produced. Taking into account heat, area, volume all that shit.

Its a West Virginia University paper prepared for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, Charleston, West Virginia but I cant remember if it was submitted for peer review, if maybe check the Journal of Analytical Toxicology say mid 2005 through to late 2006.
 
cheers man, i appreciate the responses...though ill need a dictionary n google by my side as i read it on a computer ;) its way outta my depth and interests really but it serves the community a nice drop of knowledge for those that go ahead on to read it also.

and no, i dont have a medline. ill suss it out after ive slept and am indeed sober from the morphine hit a few hours bacj.

is there a signup fee? or a freebie like medscape?
 
Geelong Police battle 'Breaking Bad' syndrome

GEELONG police are cracking down on backyard drug labs as an increasing number of ice addicts and dealers try to cook up the methamphetamine in their kitchens and car boots.

Detective Senior Sergeant Dave McTaggart, of the Geelong Police Divisional Response Unit, said his team had executed about 15 raids in the past year.

But, while some operations were commercially viable, he said police were discovering more small-scale operations than ever before as addicts looked to "feed the habit".

"Most ice is still imported, but we are also seeing people with the Breaking Bad syndrome, where every idiot thinks they're a chemist and can cook up their own drugs with no regard for how incredibly dangerous it is," Sen-Sgt McTaggart said.

"For the past three years, ice has been far and away the biggest problem we've faced and it drives almost all crime in our community, so there will always be people thinking they can do it themselves or make a buck.

"There are some sophisticated operations, but you see others doing it from their kitchens or even the boot of their cars, driving around with the equipment all set up in the back.

"We have to get a special team out from Melbourne because it's hard to know what they are mixing and it could realistically all blow up at any minute," he said.

Police statistics show Geelong's drug offences rose 36.3 per cent from 2011 to 2012, with police busting labs in Grovedale, Lara, Leopold, North Geelong, North Shore and St Leonards.

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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/09/18/373111_news.html
 
So does anyone ever get to this point where you've been awake for a couple of nights, you're coming down, and you look at a picture online, or maybe a curtain, or maybe your hand, could be anything, and you swear that it's slightly moving. The more you stare at it the more you convince yourself that the picture of the woman waving is a subtle gif and she is actually waving.
And then, if you're anything like me, you'll trip yourself out a little bit and after maybe ten minutes of staring and trying to work it out, you finally shake your head and walk away. Until it happens five minutes later with something else.

Hehe sorry, just a little rambling! :P
 
Losercup said:
So does anyone ever get to this point where you've been awake for a couple of nights, you're coming down, and you look at a picture online, or maybe a curtain, or maybe your hand, could be anything, and you swear that it's slightly moving. The more you stare at it the more you convince yourself that the picture of the woman waving is a subtle gif and she is actually waving.
And then, if you're anything like me, you'll trip yourself out a little bit and after maybe ten minutes of staring and trying to work it out, you finally shake your head and walk away. Until it happens five minutes later with something else.

Hehe sorry, just a little rambling! :P
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Get some sleep! Losercup you are hallucinating because you have had 0 sleep for 48-72 hours... or more. If you were awake this long without drugs you would hallucinate, it's your brain telling you "I need some sleep!!!" Other giveaway signs are strange conversations you just can't quite catch coming from somewhere, noises that are not there, paranoid thoughts about the sofa growing arms, people coming down from the ceiling to pluck out your eyes... ;) Oh yes almost forgot about the shadow people... always watch out for the shadow people.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Get some sleep! Losercup you are hallucinating because you have had 0 sleep for 48-72 hours... or more. If you were awake this long without drugs you would hallucinate, it's your brain telling you "I need some sleep!!!" Other giveaway signs are strange conversations you just can't quite catch coming from somewhere, noises that are not there, paranoid thoughts about the sofa growing arms, people coming down from the ceiling to pluck out your eyes... ;) Oh yes almost forgot about the shadow people... always watch out for the shadow people.
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Hehe I've had about 5-6 hours sleep today so far in total and had multivitamins, plenty of water, some sandwiches and fruit, don't worry. ;) just waiting on some over the counter sleeping tablets to arrive so I can get some more sleep. Of course, this is all probably made even worse by the fact that after I slept a few hours I woke up super sick with the start of a cold / lung infection. :( probably due to the amount of cigarettes I smoked over the last 78 hours, oops.

And why'd you have to say the sofa thing and the eyeball thing! I could deal with the little noises you're not sure if you actually heard or not, and I'm okay with things moving slightly, but bleeeh! That kind of thing makes my skin crawl lol!
 
Losercup that is funny as fuck! Sad though have seen people in that kinda state in the past. Try not to go more than a day or two max without sleep, kind of hard when the shit is just sitting around saying "mmm I'm some tasty meth crystals eat/smoke/snort/shot me up!" Meth crystal then starts doing a slow strip tease on the table! A benzo is your best friend in that kind of situation.

Gotta be careful though because you can end up hooked on both. Two monkeys on your back are way less fun than just one... not that having a metaphorical monkey on your back is fun anyway. Glad you can see the funny side mate. Take care and hope you get some sleep soon :).
 
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Hahaha hilarious, lovepsychedelics!!
Heh yeah I'm not much of a user, haven't done it very often, but every few weeks or so if I'm in the mood I don't mind having a bit and staying up all night. So fortunately for me, as long as I'm not hanging around my tweaked out friends, there's never anything just laying around. But unfortunately for me, last Friday I accidentally took a lot of oxazepam that was prescribed for my anxiety, blacked out and ended up taking the rest of them (silly mistake, I know), so no I have nothing for the comedown. Damn!

Oh no, don't mention monkeys. Creepy little things with people faces and too-long arms! Yuck! On that note... My sleeping pills have arrived now, so I'm going to get some much anticipated sleep and stop talking shit on the Internet. Heheh thanks for the entertainment. :)
 
the_ketaman said:
I will ask an interesting question. Instead of rambling on about spun shit noones interested in.

The other day I got some crystal that looked like proper ice shavings or glass and it was amazing. 1/2g lasted a week smoking almost constantly, im sure it was the best stuff NSW has seen in a long time. But the stuff I got this morning was like tiny round crystals and the size of a matchead or less. The stuff nearly made me spew too which im not sure is due to whatever is different about it or just that it was good.

But can anyone confirm why the crystals were such a different shape?
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different cooks, different batches...not every batch is the same. Depends what they use to cook it....if they waited long enough...blah blah blah. If you don't wait long enough it gets shitty. Also gets shitty if you don't know what you're doing.
 
I have multiple friends that consistently buy garbage and kid themselves its not, the majority of ice I have seen in the last year has been pretty substandard for my expectations. I have to admit though, my mates make the mistake of buying off lower level junkies a little too often and I think this is part of the problem, in the last couple weeks I have seen a resurgence of nicer gear through different, seemingly more reliable, sources. Still though, it is far from amazing and for what the stuff costs I really don't feel as though it is worth it anymore.
 
spinchick said:
As far as the colors go.....I had blue tinted shit way before Breaking Bad came out. It has to do with the cooking process. In te 70s & 80s it was mostly red phos and annie....you'll always hear old tweakers talk about the shit from back then. Apparently pretty potent shit. Dope is getting shittier and shittier....people doing it too fast....putting crazy shit in it.....lack of availability of red phos among other shit.
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You got red tint crystal meth that had residual coloration from the pseudo pills (high quality stuff) and you got "Ox blood" cheap nasty shit that would eat your teeth and the rest of your body. Powdery looking crap. Would have you chewing your face off for days though. Knew a truckie that has fucked his kidneys using that ox blood crap a little to often back in those days. On dialysis now.

Once went 7 days no sleep cause some chicks I knew had a boyfriend who was a "cook" (a shit one) love the residual acetone preventing freebase from... anyway really fucked out on that and I only had half a panadol cap. Those girls ate 2 ounces between 3 of them???

Apart from that used to get amazing amphetamine sulphate in those days such a better drug vs meth in my opinion. All this occurred well over a decade ago. Hard to come by good amphetamine sulphate unless your in Europe. Most of the old school stuff was high quality amphetamine sulphate.
 
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lovepsychadelics said:
You got red tint crystal meth that had residual coloration from the pseudo pills (high quality stuff) and you got "Ox blood" cheap nasty shit that would eat your teeth and the rest of your body. Powdery looking crap. Would have you chewing your face off for days though. Knew a truckie that has fucked his kidneys using that ox blood crap a little to often back in those days. On dialysis now.

Once went 7 days no sleep cause some chicks I knew had a boyfriend who was a "cook" (a shit one) love the residual acetone preventing freebase from... anyway really fucked out on that and I only had half a panadol cap. Those girls ate 2 ounces between 3 of them???

Apart from that used to get amazing amphetamine sulphate in those days such a better drug vs meth in my opinion. All this occurred well over a decade ago. Hard to come by good amphetamine sulphate unless your in Europe. Most of the old school stuff was high quality amphetamine sulphate.
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Spot on brother...nothing compares to the 70'/80's Goey (amphetamine sulphate)....people used to stay up for eleven days...but speed is back...you just gotta get sauces right and it is way less expensive than shard...:).

Cheers.
 
Can anyone tell me if the rumour that about gear cut with gbl is likely or even possible?
If so, would the amounts used have any noticeable effect?
 
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