Theoretical MDxx drug (6-BMC?) Cathinone version of 6-MABP

[Help?!?!]

Haha I was just making a general statement. Its rare that I ever make a personal dig at anyone let alone someone like Folley...besides if I was you'd know it. I was just saying in general. I just get tired of the same ol' arguments being thrown out, as if some RC producer(the evil ones Follers regarding, because clearly Folley must not know to many vendors as many do care about their customers, if they didn't....they'd have no business....haha!)are going to read it and suddenly right the fuck up. Their money grubbing whores that would release anything to make a quick buck, but that isn't all of them, their are vendors genuinely interested in the expansion of known chemicals.....YES, for money but if you had a nice new product, say like a piece of technology....you wouldn't be handing it out for free would you? Anyways, I just don't like chemical segregation, which Folley is allowing to happen to himself. Chemicals are chemicals, who cares if ones illegal, who cares if ones deemed an RC? That's all i'm getting at mainly, I just get tired when people think the only aim for RC type chemicals is to be as good or like their brethen, it'd be once again like saying a dirt bike(6-APB) is an RC whilst a motorcycle(MDMA) is an illegal. They both have their place.

Also Folley, do you really believe your not a guinea pig for everything on this Earth? Mice might make nice models but it isn't usually until the release, then use by the public do we find flaws in chemicals. We cannot test them on humans in most respects so we are all guinea pigs.

P.S. Folley find vendors who aren't 18-30, who enjoy legitimate chemistry and the gems that follow. TBH it seems like you must use the bottom of the crust.... Oh and lastly, only the shittest of the shit companies use the actual public to test product, how dumb is that? If it turns out you have something like 4-MEC(most people find this nearly useless, never personally used any of these sort myself...)then all your customers are going to be pissed/you'll be up shit creek, your logic just isn't to logic filled for the most part though it certainly isn't entirely off. Lastly if someone wasn't the guinea pig......then who would be, is the question I must ask you...? Animals once again are inferior models, they can't match the human genome perfectly......


My only aim is to stop unneeded hate/the spread of it, it was the same for black's way back when, if you want to follow ignorance so be it, but my name isn't Help for no reason.....

Oh and sand does not look as cool as certain rocks under a microscope.....may be personal opinion but hell...

 

[Folley]

Uh, dude you have no idea what chemicals I take...


I have a very high quality stash of more RCs than an old demolitions expert has fingers on his hands. As I said I have no problem with new chemicals, I fucking LOVE MXE. At least that has some research behind it, however. My problem is that chemicals that are already new and untested are practically thrown aside for even more obscure analogues every week. When there is such a large volume of different chemicals out there, how can you expect comprehensive research on all of them? The answer is you can't, and most simply don't care enough to push for it anyway..


But hey man, you keep doing your thing. It's people like you that weed out all the garbage chemicals for me so I can get a winner everytime



This is EXTREMELY off topic, though. The OP has asked us several times to stick to the subject at hand.... let's try and appease him if you want to continue discussing the moralities of RCs I'm sure it would merit it's own thread in PD

 

[Help?!?!]

But hey man, you keep doing your thing. It's people like you that weed out all the garbage chemicals for me so I can get a winner everytime

I hate to be off topic but since you decided to take a personal dig, kid, go back to class, if you were older you probably would have been hoovering meph like there was no tomorrow, whilst I would never even lay a finger on the nicest "RC's" like that. People like you are why I dislike BL, always making everything personal. I only told you to find better vendors because clearly you use the "UK" type that hype up everything and want the user to be the tester, ala your continued complaints about it........ It's cool though, no need to be mad bro!

There is no argument to this, its been hashed a million times, I just thought one of the brighter bulbs amongst the bunch might do well with learning a bit about undue anger or hatred. It only serves to segregate when there simply is no need too. It isn't as if I disagree with you on most fronts but only the bottom of the barrel "RC" pushers are the kind you speak of....... There isn't a need to be mad at the way the world works because we contain a broken system, why poison yourself? Besides what's with you and all this "research" being thrown about? You think the joke of the US gov(or any, the only way it gets done usually is independently...in most cases!) will ever research these chemicals? It took them years to get binding affinities for MXE/4-MeO-PCP/3-MeO-PCP, they're not going to test the safety of these just like they won't test the safety of any SI chemical without breaking through all that red tape, people like you are dreamers, which are surely needed but i'll stick to my realism so people like you can weed out the fallacies of this world.....

 

[Folley]

I'm surprised I need to say this again.. You have no idea what chemicals I take or where I obtain them from.

id say lets get back to discussing the chemical at hand but considering the OPs post is probably the only info out there, I dont see that happening.

 

[electrodevo]

Basically the dude below is the guy that invented mephedrone and 6-apb amongst other things

Um, what? 6-APB was invented by Eli Lilly in 2000. Mephedrone was rediscovered on The Hive from what I understand in 2003 and it's a much older chemical then that. Maybe he's that Israeli guy that popularized mephedrone in Israel when cathinone was banned, I dunno...

The OP's question unfortunately is somewhat unanswerable. In *theory* yes it could be methylone / mephedrone with a slower release, but the *only* way to figure a lot of this stuff out is: A) to have enough organic chemistry knowledge to be able to *synthesize* this and a lot of other variations; B) to understand safer ways of testing the compound on yourself (allergy tests and ever increasing doses etc.); C) to have to be actual access to many organic chemical precursors that most people would not be able to get. In other words, basically to do what Shulgin did in PIHKAL and TIHKAL. Which frankly, in today's environment, I don't think is possible anymore. At least in the US.

For those with good chemical access and time, and curiosity, I honestly think that this would be worth a try, mind you. Of all the MDMA/MDA substitutions, replacing the benzodioxole with a benzofuran was probably one of the best ones. This suggests that playing with simple aromatic ring structures on the benzene might produce compounds of worth (for example, what of isobenzofuran? Benzoxazole? Does it necessarily have to be an oxygen ring, would other structures work like benzothiophene?). This would even apply to cathinones.

My "armchair quarterback chemist" mind unfortunately can go no further than these postulates. The only realistic way to answer these questions is to test these compounds Shulgin style IMHO.

 

[Folley]

^ To be fair it is most certainly possible, and it's probably occurring as we speak (maybe not for this chemical, mind). That kind of research is most certainly not government funded though lmao, and the people who conduct that kind of "black market chemistry" most certainly aren't advertising their findings on Bluelight

 

[swedger77]

Um, what? 6-APB was invented by Eli Lilly in 2000. Mephedrone was rediscovered on The Hive from what I understand in 2003 and it's a much older chemical then that. Maybe he's that Israeli guy that popularized mephedrone in Israel when cathinone was banned, I dunno...

watch the tv show. It might be a case of him being credited with it in the same way Shulgin is linked to MDMA. Now you mention it 6-apb was first synthesized by David E. Nichols in the early 1990s while investigating non-neurotoxic MDMA analogues.

So I guess it was the guy we see here who went about synthing it for the RC market.

And correct....he is the Israeli guy