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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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Sammy G said:
Not true.

Lower anybody's inhibitions significantly in the way benzos can and the 'real' person is, to all intents and purposes, gone. Present them with a situation that elicits a reaction from them on the instinctive, animalistic level which exists below these inhibitions and totally uncharacteristic behaviour often results.

People are defined by their inhibitions to an extent.
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Interesting. Thats a very positive view to hold i think. Some people would see things the other way round. As in the 'real' person can be seen when their inhibitions are lowered. I can see where you are coming from though, and to take your argument to its logical conclusion you could be left with a zombie like creature, except in reality there would probably be no cannibalism, just animalistic instinctive behaviour ? (If that makes no sense its cos im stoned)

For the last few nights out ive had ive combined a couple of etizolam pills , a couple of ethylphenidate bombs and as much beer as i can drink (which isnt very much), and found it to be a feel great cocktail; relaxed and at ease with the world, merry and 'with it'. It is a very inhibition lowering cocktail though. I do worry before and afterwards about the lowered inhibitions, on the one hand Im more generous and empathetic than usual to the homeless people sitting against rubbish bins with their polystyrene cups, but on the other hand there is a latent violent streak longing to provoked.

The reality is ive never been in a proper 'fight' in my whole life and probably wouldnt stand a chance, I'd be far more likely to end up in a hospital than a police station. I never really knew that violent part of me existed until I'd got deep into an inhibition lowering drinking/drugging session.
 
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Sammy G said:
Not true.

Lower anybody's inhibitions significantly in the way benzos can and the 'real' person is, to all intents and purposes, gone. Present them with a situation that elicits a reaction from them on the instinctive, animalistic level which exists below these inhibitions and totally uncharacteristic behaviour often results.

People are defined by their inhibitions to an extent.
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Interesting, I'd never really given it much thought. Being an indoors drinker I didn't have to deal with confrontation and I'm not a violent type.

I caught on at about 15 that fighting was a dangerous and painful business that could pretty much always be avoided by, where appropriate backing down or when required showing enough intent to front it out.

I am told I could look more than a little threatening, which is lucky as I'd have been fucked if things had really kicked off on quite a few occasions mainly at warehouse / illegal parties. I can't even recall the last time I came to blows with someone but it would have been when I was under 20.
 
maxalfie said:
Usually I just have my vallies at home to chill out with but today I had a job interview and I really felt the benefits of the vallies.
Normally I would expect to be nervous for an interview but I felt great, felt so at ease from the moment I arrived, all through my interview and tour of the premises.
Diazepam worked it's wonders for that type of situation just right.
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This. Benzos = Job (sort of). ;)
 
Pagey said:
Benzos are a bit paradoxical with rage/anger etc I've found. It's weird, sometimes they just seem to bring out the absolute opposite of what they're supposed to. I found that happens on higher doses especially...when I fucked up last week and took way too much etizolam I just turned into a monster for like 3 days, couldn't get a single emotion in me other than anger. It was very weird.
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Benzos act on GABA-a receptors, just like booze does (booze acts on a few more, also). That's why people get angry and ragey, it's like being drunk, without the staggering and passing out (unless you've taken far too many). People who get aggressive on alcohol shouldn't take large doses of benzos.
 
Shambles said:
Same, but he has phoned my doc once or twice to query the script and advise him that he didn't think it was suitable. Doc overruled him each time he did though. It actually happened whilst I was in for an appointment one time. Was feckin hilarious too! Doc went up in my estimation greatly that morn cos he properly bollocked the pharmacist - "Look, I am the doctor and you are the fukkin pharmacist. I prescribe and you dispense. It's as simple as that." :D
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I've been getting regular RXs from my Psych. Problem is I'm going through the public health system so... I get the Script from my Psych (which is private) I then go to my doc and hand in the script for it to be transferred to a public health ( free script ). Then go on to get the script filled by the Pharmacist. Now more times than not my doc doesn't bother looking a the new script and prints off a copy of the last one meaning if there has been any change, increase/decrease in my meds it takes me days to sort it out due to the bureaucracy.

Anyway my point is besides lazy/incompetent/ignorant Dr.s and Psychs would anyone agree that it would be far better for the Dr./Psych to diagnose and the Pharmacist to prescribe? After all that is their area of expertise?

B.T.W. I have seen scripts for crazy amounts of diazepam/morphine/zopiclone, etc ( allbeit on stolen pads ) and there's no way I would dream of trying to get one filled. I think the 10 min wait for it to be filled would very soon turn into a 10 month stretch!

But fair play Shambles if they're that thick 'round yours then fair enough lol.

But please don't fuck yourself up and remember you might have to rely on that doc/chemist for something far more serious and life threatening than what you're doing..... And if they're that incompetent well then I fear for you!

Anyway peace

Cooch
 
Yeh i really felt the benefits when i had a job interview the other week, you could just feel the nervous energy bouncing off people and there i was in total peace. Usually id be pretty damn nervous before an interview. but ive munched one too many these last few weeks and also just plain abused them with alcohol and codeine. Got about 40 yellows left put them in a dvd case and told my bro to hide them from me. I just need to use them for interviews and shit and im sorted but other then that. My anxiety is nothing compared to what it was 4 years ago so i really shouldn't be taking these like i am.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Fucking pharmacists got above themselves at the end of the nineteenth century when they demanded they were a 'profession'. I don't even get abusable drugs, except codeine, and my pharmacist used to try it on all the time with his "come in in a month and well review your prescription sir". Fuck off. He got the message eventually, leaves me alone now.
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Sorry I should have read this thread the whole way through as I've just posted a similar reply.

I HONESTLY believe it should be for the Pharmacist to administer the meds in "consultation" with the Doc.

As for Codeine it's OTC where I'm from (with a lecture... you can't use it blah, blah). But in my local Chemist they hand it out anyway (possibly realizing people do actually need it for genuine pain relief). So when I do need it occasionally for back pain and order the larger box I specifically ask for the 2 min lecture. To which I'm generally told to piss off and go see a chiropractor.....
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Whilst this isnt a benzo, this is the nearest thread i could find in eadd


Chlorpromazine (Thorazine/Largactil)

has anyone used it for off label uses - eg for treating insomnia, or just relaxing of an evening, or calming down weed anxiety/paranoia like with benzos ?

Ive only bought 1 strip and plan to use them very occassionally........
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My friend please don't go near this shit.

It was prescribed to my mother for sleep. She was coming off a serious benzo habit (about 30 yrs, and was buying (off the street) up to 200mg of diaz a day)

When she eventually owned up to this the Psych put her on Chlorpromazine to help with her insomnia. I can honestly say that between that and her low Thyroid levels she almost died!

She had absolutely no motivation/will to live and was bed bound for six (6) months at least!

It got so bad I went to the Pharmacist and asked her opinion, Which was she'd be better on the Benzo's!

Seriously mate don't touch this shit (even if prescribed ask for an alternative) It's a chemical straight jacket a la "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"

P.S. The Pharmacist I asked had been in the business for almost 50 years and thought it to be one of the most toxic/debilitating drugs she'd seen. To me that says a lot especially as she's seen the problems associated with Benzos first hand (with my mother especially)

So please MDB throw 'em out and get a bit of etilaam, zopiclone or something instead.

Fuck I'd even send you some (for free and I'll pay postage) of either rather than see you take that shit!

honestly mate it really is a chemical straight jacket like I said, please don't touch it!

If you don't believe me just google "Thorazine shuffle"

Peace!
 
Yes, it was an embarrasing mistake buying that shit. About ten people have told me the same thing as you. I have ditched them and am now using old school anti histamines to help me sleep whilst i am reducing benzos and opiates. I guess some people will probably say even thats a bad idea, but it is effective, and relatively safe, i think. Without them I simply would not be able to sleep as my brain still seems to want huge doses of benzos and opiates before it will sleep.
 
Good stuff mate!

Anything at all but that (chlorpromazine) shit!

I hear ya about the lack of sleep as I've suffered chronic insomnia for most of my life, to the severe detriment of my quality of life and career options.

I find insomnia to be a bit like depression in that most people experience (mild forms) from time to time and are therefore of the opinion that you just need "to get your shit together". Whilst not realizing that when it becomes chronic it is a very serious and life-threatening illness. After all a lack of sleep will kill you before a lack of food!

As for the other meds whether OTC/RX or street you at least seem to know what you're doing. So I wouldn't be too concerned. Just stick to a safe taper that works for you and hopefully when you're over the worst of it then you can start considering the healthy diet and excercise route which although I'm not a huge fan of (I'm too fucking lazy lol) does have it's benefits even for this lazy git :-)

Anyway I've seen some of your other posts/threads and you seem to be coming a long way so keep it up bro! And if you need to talk or whatever shoot me an IM.

P.S. In one of your other posts you had a go at some of the new members on here being a bit over the top and judgemental (probably rightly so). I hope you don't consider me one of them! As I'm only giving you a bit of advice and hopefully support to help you through this tough time!!!

Peace and Love to all!
Cooch
 
narh not at all. I was just being a cunt the last month or so without really stopping to think, and i couldnt understand why people were getting annoyed with me. 8) But the newbies that were baiting me have been banned. So i guess they were just here to troll and stir things up.

Im gonna be ok with the benzo taper. As long as ive got Mirtazapine. Bupe is gonna be more difficult. Ive already started the excercise & eating better thing. Been doing that for a few weeks now. I think thats helping too.
 
Pagey said:
I've managed to finish literally half of my alpraz script for the next two months in...a week. Ugh :(

I'm really annoyed cuz my GP wants to get me off xanax and put me on SSRIs instead...seems there's no way to get around that apart from quitting meds altogether. Shit system.
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That's shit Pagey, how long does your doc have you on Xanax?... He/She can't expect you to just go off them at the drop of a hat like that. Also tell them that SSRI's just don't agree with you - that's what I did I will go along with the doctor and tell them I am trying the SSRI and after a week or two I call him and tell him I can't take them anymore because I'm having nightmares and I feel more anxious than before - I always tell them that valium is the only thing that helps my anxiety & now I just get a 6 month repeat diazepam script twice a year. No questions asked anymore, just don't back down tell them you dont like SSRIS
 
theres different classes of anti depressants than just SSRIs. Theres the old school tricyclic ones, and newer ones like Venlafaxine. Doctors always want to prescribe SSRIs as their "first line". I was on as SSRI - sertraline for years and years, and it eventually "pooped out" as they say. I asked the doctor if i could try Mirtazapine which acts on noradrenalin, after 6 weeks it still wasnt really helping to lift my mood.

I went back my doctor and she simply gave up, saying this is too much for a general practioner and refered me to a psychiatrist. I phoned back later to say i didnt want to see a psych. Im now taking a mild non abusable stimulant - modanifil which i get myself off an online pharmacy, along with my Mirt, and both of them together work quite well.
 
whats clonazepam like? i have quite a high etiz tolerance, almost 6mg a night. how much should i take?
 
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