I'm a reporter. I wanna hear about your experiences with any of these 15 chemicals

[IAmChris]

Hey there Bluelight people,

My name is Chris, and I'm a news reporter, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with an article I'm working on independently.

I'm using data from EcstasyData.org to show which chemicals get mixed with MDMA in crappy ecstasy/molly in the U.S.

I'm looking for people who have tried any of these 14 chemicals (with or without MDMA) and would like to talk about what experiences you've had with them:
- Methylone
- Methamphetamine
- Methylsulfonylmethane (a.k.a. MSM)
- BZP
- TFMPP
- DBZP
- 5-MeO-DiPT (a.k.a. Foxy Methoxy)
- MDPV
- Ketamine
- Procaine
- MDE
- Pseudoephedrine
- MDA
- Dextromethorphan (a.k.a. DXM)
- Caffeine

In case you're wondering why so many, it's because according to EcstasyData's data, these chemicals were popular at different times between 1996 and now, so I'm trying to cover as much ground as I can. (And besides that, Earth Erowid recommended I ask Bluelight forums).

Based on some people's responses and messages, I'm curious: Which of these chemicals do you like/dislike the most, and why? Do you feel better or worse compared to MDMA?

Plus, how did you know you were using the chemical you were using? For example, if you say you used methylone, how do you know it was methylone?

Thanks!

 

[severely etarded]

Methylone - never had it.
Methamphetamine - Very tweaky for ~12+ hours typically.
BZP/TFMPP - usually mixed, make you feel awfully sick. slightly trippy, used to fool dumbasses in the ghettos across America.
DBZP is actually a precursor to BZP, never had it (I don't think anyway)
5MeO-never had it.
MDPV-never had it
Ketamine-never had it
Procaine-Usually used to step on cocaine, likely used to make people think they have a "coke base" pill. It has no psychedelic effect.
MDE-Never had it
Sudafed-Taken as a nasal decongestant. somewhat stimulating
MDA-That shit is the bomb. Mix it with MDMA and get a lovely all around roll, heavy body loud, great visuals. My personal favorite.
DXM-Pretty shitty drug for high school kids typically. Sometimes found in pills, never had it in a pill though.
caffeine-Used to make some pills a little more uppity. it's a decent cut if it's in a reasonably low dose.

 

[Tuggah]

I could help with a few... I thoroughly enjoyed methamphetamine (have tried it directly twice), but stay away from it for a number of reasons including lack of a hook up, health effects, bad, strung out come down and stigma. I tend to prefer stimulants and found it was good for partying/dancing/socializing/chilling/much more but I don't actively go out and look for it for the reasons I've listed above. I am sure I've had methylone misrepresented as MDMA - it seemed to be a common chemical sold as "molly/e/MDMA" - unremarkable compared to the real thing. Would love to have confirmed MDA or MDE for the sake of comparision - I'm sure I've had both during the past 12 years. Ketamine I enjoy at home with friends, or solo... don't really find it extremely pleasant for outside social settings, a little too "weird" for me. I'd say this one is remarkably easy to find, compared to many of the others on this list. I have some 5-MeO-DiPT (not scheduled in Canada) I will be experimenting with when I finally get a good scale. Have heard and read a variety of experiences about this one - am keen to experience it for myself...

 

[futura2012]

My name is Chris, and I'm a news reporter, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with an article I'm working on independently.

Hello Chris could you shed a bit more light on what type of article you are intending to write? Whats your intended audience and publication medium?

What kind of analysis are you looking for?

I went out last night necked a load of BZP and rolled ballz or

maybe a Shulgin Style Trip report?

Please update

 

[augustaB]

The only two in the list that I have experience of are pseudoephredrine and caffeine.
Perhaps the quantity of caffeine was not large enough because I really did not notice much of a difference.
Pseudoephredine seems to reinforce the high to some extent and will also trigger a rise in body heat.

 

[IAmChris]

Methamphetamine - Very tweaky for ~12+ hours typically.
BZP/TFMPP - usually mixed, make you feel awfully sick. slightly trippy, used to fool dumbasses in the ghettos across America.
DBZP is actually a precursor to BZP, never had it (I don't think anyway)
Procaine-Usually used to step on cocaine, likely used to make people think they have a "coke base" pill. It has no psychedelic effect.
Sudafed-Taken as a nasal decongestant. somewhat stimulating
MDA-That shit is the bomb. Mix it with MDMA and get a lovely all around roll, heavy body loud, great visuals. My personal favorite.
DXM-Pretty shitty drug for high school kids typically. Sometimes found in pills, never had it in a pill though.
caffeine-Used to make some pills a little more uppity. it's a decent cut if it's in a reasonably low dose.

Thanks for responding. Looks like you know quite a bit about these. How do you know you were taking the chemicals you were taking? What were your best memories of them? Or your worst memories?

I could help with a few... I thoroughly enjoyed methamphetamine (have tried it directly twice), but stay away from it for a number of reasons including lack of a hook up, health effects, bad, strung out come down and stigma. I tend to prefer stimulants and found it was good for partying/dancing/socializing/chilling/much more but I don't actively go out and look for it for the reasons I've listed above.

Have you ever taken it with MDMA?

Ketamine I enjoy at home with friends, or solo... don't really find it extremely pleasant for outside social settings, a little too "weird" for me. I'd say this one is remarkably easy to find, compared to many of the others on this list.

Hm, how easy is it to find in Canada (assuming that's where you live)? And how do you mean by Ketamine being "weird?" What was your weirdest memory of it?

I have some 5-MeO-DiPT (not scheduled in Canada) I will be experimenting with when I finally get a good scale. Have heard and read a variety of experiences about this one - am keen to experience it for myself...

Cool, can't wait to hear about it.

Thanks again for answering my post.

Hello Chris could you shed a bit more light on what type of article you are intending to write? Whats your intended audience and publication medium?

What kind of analysis are you looking for?

I went out last night necked a load of BZP and rolled ballz or

maybe a Shulgin Style Trip report?

Please update

Hey futura2012.

The short version: I'm looking to write up some background info on each chemical, what effects they have on dopamine and serotonin (according to scientific studies), and what effects users say they have.

I'm writing this on my own for now. I'll either sell it to someone or publish it myself.

As for report type: feel free to be as detailed as you want in your experiences with any chemicals you've had. Say what comes naturally to you.

 

[questforstarfish]

One night my dealer had been experimenting with a concoction of about 1/3 MDMA, 1/3 BZP and 1/3 TFMPP. He put them into a capsule and offered them to my friends and I, who had planned to take MDMA that night. We agreed, then went to my friend's apartment to take the capsules and stay in for the night. The come-up was just like the MDMA come-up, and then I got what I remember calling at the time "The best high I've ever had." I still agree, years later. I remember just cuddling with my friend on the carpet watching a movie, and nothing in life had ever been more beautiful. The lamp was kind of dim and I couldn't stop commenting on how amazing the lighting was- everything felt like I was in a womb, so soft and gentle and lovely. We played dominoes and I remember thinking "This is the best game in the world, it's so peaceful and gentle and friendly, not competitive and loud at all." Every single thing literally felt like the best ever.
After a few hours, my friends came down but I didn't. We had plans to go to another friend's house and they kept waiting and waiting for me to come down but I wouldn't, so we decided to get on the bus and just go. It was freezing outside (winter) and the bus was crowded because it was a Friday night, so the inside of the bus was quite warm. I started to get really anxious and stressed out. My glasses were fogging up for fifteen minutes because I was so hot. My friend asked me if I was okay and I just paused, said "no" and got off the bus. I waiting for another bus to take me home and almost went crazy from the heat when I got on it. Finally I got home and I was so tired I just wanted to go to sleep, but I stayed up, too high to sleep, until 4 am (11 hours after getting high initially). I could not come down and was so frustrated with it and tired of it but it wouldn't wear off. I still had some of the positive effects but mostly felt really cracked out and crazy.

I'm grateful for the best high of my life but the whole comedown process made it not worth it. I never took that mixture again after that!

 

[shimazu]

methamphetamine: just a tad overboard compared to either adderall or ritalin. couldnt channel any of that alertness to anything overly productive, but I did manage to hate just about anything and everything in record time and punctuation

DXM: waste of time to abuse imo, such a dirty high with no real physical pleasure or mental stimulation, you just feel retarded. And thats a buzz word right now but thats seriously the only way I describe taking large(er) doses of dxm, just plain retarded

 

[severely etarded]

Thanks for responding. Looks like you know quite a bit about these. How do you know you were taking the chemical you were taking? What were your best memories of them? Or your worst memories?

I've tested with marquis reagents or taken pills of edata. The first few pills I tried all had meth. Way too many memories! DXM was boring zzz. Same with pseudoephedrine. My best memories are with MDA. Worst was BZP/TFMPP

 

[lightforce]

Methylone - Tried it once at a music festival. Guy I bought it from was friend of a friend and he told me the website he ordered it from which I think is now out of business (it was a Canadian one). Felt like MDMA but very mild and somewhat enjoyable, my body felt way more heated than with normal MDMA. Didn't feel as depressed as MDMA the next day. Would maybe try it again.

MDMA - My first time was incredible. I've never felt anything like that before. Love everything and I know that that one time has changed my personality. I've also learned my lesson by going on a binge (I think around 1.5g in 3 days) and suffered brain zaps and some pretty bad depression for a few weeks. I now only do it about 5 times a year sometimes breaking that rule. I've also mixed this with Meth once and that was pretty incredible. I believe I did 150mg MDMA and about 40mg meth in a capsule, just about fell over when it it hit me. All the MDMA I've gotten has usually been good since I trust my source.

MDA - I've done this a few times and I like it more than MDMA. It's a bit more energetic, not as lovey and I love how trippy it gets with a higher dose. I mixed this once with MDMA (130mg MDA, 80mg MDMA these are approx since I was in a hurry to get to a festival stage so they could have been higher), the come-up was rough and felt sick and puked till I finally came up, was pretty much a mess for the night but wow what a feeling. Very hard to find around my parts and was lucky to get some.

Methamphetamine - Makes me feel pretty damn good. Elevated heart rate. I don't stay up for days on end because I notice that I start to get racoon eyes and don't want people to notice. I can take my last dose at around 4pm and sleep by 11pm. I only usually do this once in a while but lately I've been using it everyday for the past week with sleep every night. I try to use it as a tool but I find myself glued to my computer/TV instead of being productive.

Ketamine - I've done way too much of this. I've had k-cramps twice and hope to never experience those again. I love the dissociation and numbing feeling. Also useful for MDMA hangovers and hangovers in general. Lately the quality has been shitty and prices have gone way up from a few years ago. But I still do it at least once a month.

DXM - Took this once and didn't really find it enjoyable. Body was very hot and was sweating quite a bit. I think I took around 200mg. Also the "afterglow" the next day made me not like it and felt dirty. That's why I prefer Ketamine for its shorter action.

 

[grem024]

Ketamine welcome to the k-hole. Gods got fun and games. Ok so i have had iv ketamine 75 mg from the emergency room for conscious sedation for a fake dislocated shoulder. Neway. Its a hard thing to describe. Ur here then suddenly its as if you exist in only mind no body. You gut sucked into the cracks between dimensions. You can see if thats what you want to call it . Time does not exist. Its not just slow time. There is no concept of time. Its like your the alpha and the omega. The beginning and the end. Its quite un nerving at first because for me i can still somehow remember reality, but it feels as if somehow this time the machine won and im not gonna make it back to the real world. Well to the fake world. When im in the k hole i feel feel as if somehow this is the true reality and the real world is a false perception of reality. When im there i feel like now that i know the truth i cant go back. But sure enough i always make it home.

 

[IAmChris]

DXM: waste of time to abuse imo, such a dirty high with no real physical pleasure or mental stimulation, you just feel retarded. And thats a buzz word right now but thats seriously the only way I describe taking large(er) doses of dxm, just plain retarded

What do you remember doing while on DXM? And how big a dose are we talking?

I've tested with marquis reagents or taken pills of edata. The first few pills I tried all had meth. Way too many memories! DXM was boring zzz. Same with pseudoephedrine. My best memories are with MDA. Worst was BZP/TFMPP

What were your most memorable memories for each chemical, if you don't mind me asking?

Methylone - Tried it once at a music festival. Guy I bought it from was friend of a friend and he told me the website he ordered it from which I think is now out of business (it was a Canadian one). Felt like MDMA but very mild and somewhat enjoyable, my body felt way more heated than with normal MDMA. Didn't feel as depressed as MDMA the next day. Would maybe try it again.

MDMA - My first time was incredible. I've never felt anything like that before. Love everything and I know that that one time has changed my personality. I've also learned my lesson by going on a binge (I think around 1.5g in 3 days) and suffered brain zaps and some pretty bad depression for a few weeks. I now only do it about 5 times a year sometimes breaking that rule. I've also mixed this with Meth once and that was pretty incredible. I believe I did 150mg MDMA and about 40mg meth in a capsule, just about fell over when it it hit me. All the MDMA I've gotten has usually been good since I trust my source.

MDA - I've done this a few times and I like it more than MDMA. It's a bit more energetic, not as lovey and I love how trippy it gets with a higher dose. I mixed this once with MDMA (130mg MDA, 80mg MDMA these are approx since I was in a hurry to get to a festival stage so they could have been higher), the come-up was rough and felt sick and puked till I finally came up, was pretty much a mess for the night but wow what a feeling. Very hard to find around my parts and was lucky to get some.

Methamphetamine - Makes me feel pretty damn good. Elevated heart rate. I don't stay up for days on end because I notice that I start to get racoon eyes and don't want people to notice. I can take my last dose at around 4pm and sleep by 11pm. I only usually do this once in a while but lately I've been using it everyday for the past week with sleep every night. I try to use it as a tool but I find myself glued to my computer/TV instead of being productive.

Ketamine - I've done way too much of this. I've had k-cramps twice and hope to never experience those again. I love the dissociation and numbing feeling. Also useful for MDMA hangovers and hangovers in general. Lately the quality has been shitty and prices have gone way up from a few years ago. But I still do it at least once a month.

DXM - Took this once and didn't really find it enjoyable. Body was very hot and was sweating quite a bit. I think I took around 200mg. Also the "afterglow" the next day made me not like it and felt dirty. That's why I prefer Ketamine for its shorter action.

Methylone - How did it make your experience at the festival better? How do you think it would've been if you took MDMA instead?

MDA - What's the trippiest thing you've experienced? What kind of trippy things do you normally experience?

Methamphetamine - Are you talking about meth by itself, or meth mixed with MDMA (or both)?

Ketamine - Can you tell me more about how it helps hangovers? Also, what are k-cramps?

DXM - Do you remember what kind of thoughts were going through your head when you felt "dirty?"

 

[shimazu]

I took either anywhere from 150-160 mgs, dont really recall the exact amount as it was a combo of syrup / gel caps but its hard to describe how it feels dirty unless you just take something else and experience it first hand. made me sweat real bad, worse than mdma does, and all I wound up doing was riding my bike down to buy gatorade / candy and watching The Last Samurai on tv, partly because I hadnt seen it in a while but mostly because I just zoned out entirely and what was on wasnt really important anymore. I had a quasi-cold going on at the time and sort of just... did it on a whim. Not the best reason to takw anything, but I did that with a variety of other drugs and thoroughly enjoyed them.

I just remember not having any cold symptoms that night, but feeling just awful the next day. Wound up assed out on the couch but that could have been from weed as well.

yeah idk man im starting to think my experience was somewhat off-base from what it's supporters would recommend doing but at the same time Im not sure what you could really plan on doing that would require more focus than spacing out on a couch somewhere

 

[severely etarded]

What were your most memorable memories for each chemical, if you don't mind me asking?

DXM was lame. Not much to speak of. I thought I was going to die on Bzp/TFMPP, decided to get a test kit because it was sold as ecstasy. Horribly sick and anxious, headache, vomiting, flush, chills/sweats. I only tok pseudoephedrine as a non-drowsy decongestant. Basically jus t a typical stimulant a little stronger than caffeine. No euphoria or anything. No memorable moments.

MDA however I have many great memories of zoning out and just feeling great. Intense colorful & patterning visuals, great body high, extremely heightened appreciation of music and overall heightening of all senses.

 

[cj]

Be careful guys he sounds legit but we all know that hit pieces are what sells in the media. Especially with the recent deaths in the northeast.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

Methylone - never had it.
Methamphetamine - Very tweaky for ~12+ hours typically.
BZP/TFMPP - usually mixed, make you feel awfully sick. slightly trippy, used to fool dumbasses in the ghettos across America.
DBZP is actually a precursor to BZP, never had it (I don't think anyway)
5MeO-never had it.
MDPV-never had it
Ketamine-never had it
Procaine-Usually used to step on cocaine, likely used to make people think they have a "coke base" pill. It has no psychedelic effect.
MDE-Never had it
Sudafed-Taken as a nasal decongestant. somewhat stimulating
MDA-That shit is the bomb. Mix it with MDMA and get a lovely all around roll, heavy body loud, great visuals. My personal favorite.
DXM-Pretty shitty drug for high school kids typically. Sometimes found in pills, never had it in a pill though.
caffeine-Used to make some pills a little more uppity. it's a decent cut if it's in a reasonably low dose.

DXM is not a shitty drug its highly complex/deep and a lot of people favorite. No where near as damaging as MDMA either

 

[severely etarded]

DXM is not a shitty drug its highly complex/deep and a lot of people favorite. No where near as damaging as MDMA either

Lol... and meth, crack, and heroin aren't addicting either 8)

 

[thizzkid]

- Methylone Never had it; supposedly very similar to MDMA but speedier
- Methamphetamine Had it in pills that were tested, but took them anyway, not sure of dose but high was unenjoyable and long-lasting; tweakyness outlasted the euphoria
- Methylsulfonylmethane (a.k.a. MSM) Never even heard of it
- BZP Not quite as popular anymore, never had it
- TFMPP Never had it
- DBZP Never had it
- 5-MeO-DiPT (a.k.a. Foxy Methoxy) never had it, but it is the only tryptamine in this list hence its nick-name "tripstasy"
- MDPV BATH SALTS!! FUCK THIS SHIT
- Ketamine Great Drug!! very rare to find in pills these days as it wold cost the dealer more to cut them with this, but it mixes well with MDMA for a very intense euphoria
- Procaine Never had it
- MDE Ah Eve, I wish i could have the opportunity to try this one...
- Pseudoephedrine Lol this is cough medicine and a precursor to Methamphetamine
- MDA Awesome drug!! My favorite MDxx and is even better than molly in my mind, but not everyone would agree with me; they mix amazingly for the best possible roll attainable.
- Dextromethorphan (a.k.a. DXM) Also cough medicinel; but the high is crappy; similar to alcohol in effect in my experience
- Caffeine I get pissed when this shows up in my pills; its very cheap and used to cut pills pretty often.

hope this helps haha

 

[IAmChris]

Be careful guys he sounds legit but we all know that hit pieces are what sells in the media. Especially with the recent deaths in the northeast.

Nah, if I wanted to write about how awful MDMA is, all I'd need to do is read some police reports and talk a DEA spokesperson. And I'd end up with an badly-researched article calling molly "pure MDMA in powder form" or something like that. Besides that, there are already a lot of those kinds of articles that news outlets can get from their own reporters, so it'd be hard for me to sell them that sort of piece.

Instead, I'm trying to write what about consumers think about these chemicals that have been very common in EcstasyData.org's dataset. It has taken longer to do the research and talk to experienced people, but I think it'll be worth it.

And about the last part of your post, what did you mean by deaths in the Northeast?

DXM is not a shitty drug its highly complex/deep and a lot of people favorite. No where near as damaging as MDMA either

All I've heard so far about DXM is how bad it is. But you don't think it was so bad? How come?

 

[Deleted member 290563]

All I've heard so far about DXM is how bad it is. But you don't think it was so bad? How come?

It is the best music enhancing drug out there in my opinion, number one....Its not as good as ketamine or mxe overall (similar drugs) but its not so awful like everyone makes it out to be, some people are really big fans of it.

It doesn't feel as clean or benign as MXE (another nmda antagonist, same type of drug) but the music euphoria is much better, also has its own eeirie feel to it that just sets it apart from other Nmda antags. I think its good because you get better closed eye visuals (its a matter of visual tasate though, like liking art) than you do on classic psychedelcis like shrooms or lsd, and the trip is more euphoric and user friendly than tryptamines.

Also, causes alot of introspection but with more positive thoughts, with other hallucinogens (tryps, phens) the introspection tends to be negative sometimes.