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Phens drugs for people who can't handle stimulants...

Kishka

Kishka

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Hi,

I have a friend who is interested to try Phenethylamines drugs. We would like to try 2C-C.

The problem is that my friend can't take drugs like speed because she have more pronounced adrenal response to that kind of drug. Stimulant drugs make her very jittery, anxious and she always complaint about her heart having palpitations. She tooks a tiny amount of "speed" (very thin line) and she was shaking, her face was pale and her lips were blue :confused:

By the way Phenethylamines came from the Amphetamines family right ?

Would 2C-C be dangerous to her health if she react like this to speed ?

How stimulants are phenethylamines ? (We won't try any 25X-NBOMe drugs). Only 2C-X like 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-P, ect...

Thank you so much :smile:

my bad for my eng i'm swedish
 
I don't know which, but either 2c-c or 2c-d have even noted to fairly sedating.
And they aren't simulating in the way like speed is, they can be very calming when the psychedelic state sets in.
I would stay away from 2c-I and 2c-p, these ones I found to be the most stimulating.
2c-e was neutral, felt as stimulating as LSD.
However with her response to speed, I would advise to be very careful.
If she absolutely insists on trying them I would advise she start at a sub threshold dose.
Perhaps niacin may help with the vasoconstriction
 
kishka said:
Stimulant drugs make her very jittery, anxious and she always complaint about her heart having palpitations
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You mean you do? Come on, we've handled your issues enough over the past couple of years that we're familiar with them. Have you tried any tryptamines yet? I don't recall. If you haven't, then you ought to consider it, or consider giving up on psychedelics if they still cause you trouble more often than not.

By the way Phenethylamines came from the Amphetamines family right?
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You've got it backwards, amphetamines (Alpha-methylphenethylamines) are phenethylamines. There are psychedelic amphetamines, the DOx, but you need to stay far away from those.

Anyway, here's a thread or two for you to review.
 
Ehh, I think this might be about her actual friend who was in a coma after a dose of DOI ?
(I was wondering whether there was some kind of disorder, deficiency or sensitivity that caused that...)

Or that might just be a coincidence..
Anyway we aren't too happy about talking about yourself using reference here.

2C-C was the first thing that popped into my head, yeah - but the reason that it feels so tranquil might be because of 5-HT2C effects rather than being easy on the adrenalin, I'm not sure though.

It's hard to predict what causes anxious or hypertensive effects like that, what about caffeine?

Why the interest in phens? If you'd explain that maybe we can be of better help. Because 4-HO tryptamines can be very good. Avoid 5-MeO's...
 
4-ho-met is a 'better' version of 2c-c - much better visuals, short duration, low chance of bad trip, not stimmy. Only reason to pic 2c-c would be if it needs to be stable in solution.


And whatever you do slowly titrate your doses up and stop at the first signs of trouble.
 
Has you're friend ever been tested for hyperthyroidism?

Extreme sensitivity to Epinephrine and Norepinephrine releasing and reuptake inhibiting drugs is usually a sign that the body already has too much natural Adrenergic neurotransmitters floating around. Does she always have heart palpitations, shaky hands, horrible anxiety (to the point of panic attacks), psychotic symptoms, and the works? If so, it could be a sign of Graves Disease - which is the most common reason for Hyperthyroidism.

This isn't intended to be used a diagnosing guide, but rather just a general overview of symptoms and sourcing out one possibility. Just because you have these symptoms, doesn't mean you have hyperthyroidism.
 
I would stay away from phenylethylamines - is 4-Substituted tryptamines off the list?
 
If you're dead set on trying a 2c but are negatively effected by stimulants then 2c-c is the one to try. Its very easy on the body compared to the others and gives a much calmer trip, I almost get couch lock on it, but you will notice a slight increase in heart rate on it though the vasoconstriction isn't as noticeable as the others. Start with 25-30mgs and see how you feel. But I agree with what everyone else said, try out some of the 4-sub tryptamines if you're looking for a more relaxing less harsh psychedelic. 4-aco-dmt is as smooth as it gets.
 
Nope that's not for me... I have try 2C-T-7 with no problems what so ever... I'm not afraid to take 2C-C. I already took 2C-E also with no problems so :?

Anyway thanks for your answers :)

What kind of Tryptamines should be appropriated ?

We were thinking for a gentle psychedelics for a nice psytrance party !

Thanks
 
For me, 2C-B is the calmest (compared to 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I), followed by 2C-D. Keep the dose low, whatever phen you choose.
 
4-HO-MET is the least anxiety-producing of the tryptamines, and 2C-C of the phenethylamines like others have said. But all psychedelics have at least some stimulant effects, so if your friend has problems with that then maybe she shouldn't be taking anything at all.
 
Solipsis said:
Ehh, I think this might be about her actual friend who was in a coma after a dose of DOI ?
(I was wondering whether there was some kind of disorder, deficiency or sensitivity that caused that...)

Or that might just be a coincidence..
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I do hope so! That was some worrying business!

Yeah, agreed, this 4-ho-met stuff is very pleasnt indeed, pretty easy going on the system.

I personally suffer a lingering stimulation that prevents sleep after it's worn off. I think it fair to prepare Kishka for that possibility. Having said that, 4-ho-met is gentler than 2c-c by some stratch, imo.
 
4-HO-MiPT is better for psytrance parties than 4-HO-MET in my opinion, - but they are very similar.
 
soli said:
Ehh, I think this might be about her actual friend who was in a coma after a dose of DOI ?
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The thought of two people prone to hair-trigger panic attacks and neurotic-verging-on-histrionic reactions tripping together frightens me. Color me pessimistic that it'll be beneficial, or even recreational.

kishka said:
I have try 2C-T-7 with no problems what so ever
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Besides that one time....
 
Out of the four 2C-x's Ive done (2c-i,2c-e,2c-c) And all the research Ive done online over the last 6 years I would def. recommend 2c-c. It is defiantly the least simulating out of the bunch. Though depending on your setting it could go either way. At a party or at a club or show it would kick someones ass. But say its a couple of friends or a significant other in a intimate setting it could def be more sedating and psychedelic.

I personally like 2c-c way more then 2c-e or 2c-i Just for the fact that the other two are strong as hell and get you going for a long long time and its damn near impossible for any kind of sleep.

Do your self a favor and research it online with your friend and brain storm on it for a while. Also make sure your source is trusted or order it your self from a well known vender. You would not want to get any 2c-x and think its 2c-c That would be F*cked up
 
I'm not allowed medically (because of the potential for adverse cardiovascular and vasoconstrictive effects) to take stimulants. I wasn't told not to, but I've got enough of a medical background to realize that it would be equivalent to placing a gun against my head and playing Russian Roulette. As attractive as 2C-C and 2C-D sound to me, I'm just not going to chance it.

OP; is blood pressure a real concern for you? Just curious.

When I finally took the plunge into Tryptamines I started with sub threshold doses and worked my way up very slowly ( 2 months) and took my bp with a monitor. I also took my bp meds about 3 hours before dosing in case I vomited (to avoid puking up my meds).

I have found 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DiPT to have no short term effect cardiovascular system. I've got 4-AcO-MET and 4-AcO-DET on order and intend to treat them the same way; sub threshold dose, work my way up slowly and monitor bp for the first few trips.

As others have mentioned, you might want to stear clear of the methoxy substituted tryptamines.

Tom
 
Avoid all phenethylamines, I've never encountered one that wasn't at least a moderate stimulant. That includes all the once-common 2C-x chems. I found 2C-C to be a certain stimulant as well, although not as bad as 2C-I or some others.

I'd suggest low doses of mushrooms or 4-aco-DMT for this person, if they must trip.

Can this person smoke weed safely and comfortably?
 
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Even 4-aco-dmt I've found stimulating when insufflated, it would probably be more like mushrooms when dosed orally
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Physically stimulating? As in heart rate increase and bp increase?

I've found it damn near impossible to get to sleep 2 hours after dosing (I was stupid and took it when I should not have). So, mentally stimulating at least.

Tom
 
2 hours after a dosing? Well duh. I wouldn't dream of being able to sleep on any psychedelic two hours after dosing (with the exception of (5-MeO)-DMT).

By the way, Kishka, what do you mean with "more pronounced adrenal response"? Is there a medical reason your friend shouldn't try anything that excites her central nervous system? It's pretty normal to feel restless and anxious and having an elevated heart rate after doing stimulants... You didn't mention how tiny the amount of speed was she took - provided that it was amphetamine - and whether that was her first experience with that substance. I can easily imagine someone doing a small line that's still a hefty dose for a sensitive person, leading to the above mentioned problems.

So, is it an actual medical issue or is it something you are afraid of?
 
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