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Opioids Trying to taper failed so I got this ( sub)

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Not Again

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Long story short. I was trying to taper but it ended up going backwards. One day I would cut from my normal 120 to 90 and the next day for some reason my body was yelling for more. so I'm doing 160-180 (oxy)ish a day now. I got 9 of those sub's in the pic.

I need some insight on what the best plan for taking thes would be for a 160 mg oxy / day habit.

I got 9 of these subs but more are available. I was going to go to the addiction center Kaiser has, but they require you to go EVERY DAY to get your sub. That is just not possible. Fort one the center is an hour one way, I work and and am a father when I'm not working. So I just couldn't make daily trips there.

So I got these. Any advice on the best plan would be appreciated. I understand to wait at least 24 hours from your last dose or until you start getting a little sick and start with a quarter of a strip let is dissolve wait 20-30 min and if you don't feel better try another quarter of a strip.

So is this sub going to get me un addicted to the oxy? If I do it fast enough and avoid getting addicted to the sub then it's possible to quit without any w/d's?

Sorry for all the questions. I just need to be informed because I need to operate and function. I have a business to run and a family to take care of. I can't disappear and be sick for weeks.
Oh and is it one dose a day?


Thank you for your help.
 
No matter what you will still feel some withdrawals once you stop, but you can minimize them with the suboxone. With your habit you should be fine on 4mg of suboxone, but try 2mg first to see how it works for you. The longer you wait the better it will work, so if you can make it 36 hours instead of 24 then do that (48 is probably a little too long to wait since you would feel really shitty), and then from there you taper down. So if you need 4mg the first day, then try 3mg the next, 2, then 1, then 0.5. If it's still hard to stay off at that point then take 0.5 - 1 mg every other day or as long apart as you can wait, then once you get comfortable at that dose lower it even more then stop.

That's just a general guideline for tapering with suboxone. There are various ways of doing it, and some detox facilities will use higher doses for 4 days, and others do it longer.
 
Thank you man for your help. Really appreciated. Will using sub help with the paws at all?
 
Not Again said:
So is this sub going to get me un addicted to the oxy? If I do it fast enough and avoid getting addicted to the sub then it's possible to quit without any w/d's?

Sorry for all the questions. I just need to be informed because I need to operate and function. I have a business to run and a family to take care of. I can't disappear and be sick for weeks.
Oh and is it one dose a day?


Thank you for your help.
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It doesn't really work that way, you are already addicted to opiates (subutex, oxycontin, heroin whatever it's all the same anyway) and they are interchangeable. Using subs to taper with you will run a greater risk of PAWS than if you just taper the oxy in my oppinion. One dose of subutex should last anywhere between 16-24 hours, it does for me at least.
 
Toz said:
It doesn't really work that way, you are already addicted to opiates (subutex, oxycontin, heroin whatever it's all the same anyway) and they are interchangeable. Using subs to taper with you will run a greater risk of PAWS than if you just taper the oxy in my oppinion. One dose of subutex should last anywhere between 16-24 hours, it does for me at least.
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So you mean that if it takes 3 mg to even me out. That 3 mg will last 30+ hours? How do you know when to dose again? Do you wait to feel sick? I see it said every morning, but If I don't need it every morning I don't want to.

What if I want to get high again, will this keep me from getting high? ( this is just a question as I am planning on quitting for good) If I take the sub inthe morning and the next day take some oxy will it keep the oxy from working? ( Thats kinda a dumb question as I think I know the answer)
 
Toz said:
It doesn't really work that way, you are already addicted to opiates (subutex, oxycontin, heroin whatever it's all the same anyway) and they are interchangeable. Using subs to taper with you will run a greater risk of PAWS than if you just taper the oxy in my oppinion. One dose of subutex should last anywhere between 16-24 hours, it does for me at least.
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I also can't taper with oxy for some reason, I understand that the sub doesn't get you high so it's much easier to taper with that. is that the theory behind it?
 
No, buprenorphine definitely can get you "high" but the "theory" behind the practice is pretty much the same as with methadone: jack up your tolerance so damned high that you don't get anything out of your regular opioid of choice, in your case, oxycodone. Buprenorphine is one of the most potent opioids that are on the market, with the highest affinity for your opioid receptors, higher even than the naloxone that is compounded into suboxone can't fight the buprenorphine, rendering it unable to bind to your opioid receptors.

Chronic pain doses with buprenorphine are measured in micrograms. With addiction, from what I've seen most suboxone doctors just put patients on as high a dose as possible, often way higher than is necessary.
 
Yeah tricomb is right, buprenorphine is hella strong as far as staving off withdrawals and such. In my experience about 2 mg of buprenorphine can control about 100 mg of oxy habit a day; or maybe give or take .5 mg.
 
So my plan is this.

I can't taper on oxy, but for some reason I can keep my norco limit down because I'm aware of the apap problem. I'm going to norco my self down as far as I can. I can't feel norco even if I take 10 at a time. So I'm going to see what happens if I just take norco. 6 in the morning, 4 in the afternoon and 4 at night .

I just gor 80 norco. That's the biggest problem . It's so available to me. The addict I am I have developed 5-6 different places to assure that I never run out. Fuck sometimes I hate my self.

Lets see what happens. I have xanax and valium incase.
 
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