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Opioids Does Subutex Just not get you high? Even with no dependance?

Low doses of bupe (less than 2mg) are more effective as recreational drugs than larger doses, because a greater portion of the dose is metabolised to the more active norbuprenorphine.

Bupe is indeed active as a recreational opioid if you don't have much tolerance.
 
Yeah idk the equivencies but I'd compare 2mg of suboxone to 40mg of oxycodone. As in ill be throwing up and struggling to make an excuse about a 24hour stomach bug to my inquisitive family.
 
The questions about if someone can use after taking bupe have been asked a 1/4 of a million times. The answers are attainable without asking, There is a sticky which tells you not to make posts regarding this exact question because its been beaten to death. It simply varies too much from person to person to know. So not only is it a question asked way too many times, it isn't even a question that can be answered.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
This. I have seen non tolerant individuals take literally fractions of a piece of a strip and get rocked. Pinned pupils, puking, sweating, nodding hard. It's a very powerful drug and definitely not something to be taken lightly.
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Without tolerance I took 4 mg and was lit up, I didn't know about the long half life and snorted 1/4 the next day, closest I have ever felt to an OD. I was pale and my heart rate was really bradycardic, I don't throw up unless very sick, but I felt like I was gonna heave for hours.
 
alt 14 said:
Yeah idk the equivencies but I'd compare 2mg of suboxone to 40mg of oxycodone. As in ill be throwing up and struggling to make an excuse about a 24hour stomach bug to my inquisitive family.
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My first dose was 2mg and I got none of that. Upped it to three and still got next to nothing.
And i did it properly.
Cant believe just a codeine tolerance can make me feel an not feel an opiate as potent as that. its weird im not physically dependant. I think I just know when to lay off it for a while, then a good dose of C hits me nice, then day 2 not so, and so on so I leave it for a bit.
 
atv said:
A lot of people say different things. Some people say that Codeine isn't a real opiate, and even 1g isn't a tolerance, because of the ceiling others say it is, some are rapid metabolisers, I believe I am. So rather than answer a simple question like el barto has for me you have taken the time to skim through five different threads, to give a bit of hassle. I wanted to save time and get a direct answer if I could use today based on precise amounts of bupe that I had taken for the first time. There is no answer in those threads that tells me that I currently have 3.1825 mg of bupe in my system at this moment.
Give a guy a break,
Thank you El barto.
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The question is not simple, that would imply it is easy to answer and it is not easy to answer whatsoever. It would be simple to google search the info and realize no one can answer this question definitively and you can either wait longer than you want (I assume), or give it a try and hope for the best.
 
Can Someone please answer this mentioned earlier, there is literally no answers that I can see on the web.

CAN you dose another opiate soon after Codeine? As we all know Codeine is not redosable. Say when I'm coming down I want to come up with 20-30mg oxy?
 
Im giving the codeine a shot. Doesnt matter so much if thats wasted only have to walk in the pharm and get more. And it will tell me if the oxy will work in a couple of days.
 
Assuming the ceiling effect of codeine doesn't apply to you and you use it all, if you look at the equivalencies, you would see 1g of codeine is a lot more than 40mg of oxy. I doubt you'll feel the oxy regardless of the bupe.
 
alt 14 said:
Assuming the ceiling effect of codeine doesn't apply to you and you use it all, if you look at the equivalencies, you would see 1g of codeine is a lot more than 40mg of oxy. I doubt you'll feel the oxy regardless of the bupe.
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hm. ok, cheers. I do feel 500+ mg of codeine, but I have experimented a lot and got stronger results with 1000mg. Maybe I should buy another,
 
Well 500mg codeine is about 75mg of morphine so divided by 1.5x would be 50mg of oxy to equal 500 of codeine. Roughly.
 
alt 14 said:
Well 500mg codeine is about 75mg of morphine so divided by 1.5x would be 50mg of oxy to equal 500 of codeine. Roughly.
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Done normal dose. Slight effect, but i think the bupe is blocking it definitely still. I would feel more than this normally,
 
Sooo you make 5 threads asking the same question, which there is a fucking sticky saying NO NEW SUBOXONE THREADS W/O READING FIRST that answers all the questions, then you ignore the advice not to get high yet anyway? And you come on here and post "well it didn't fully work," thinking were all going to be surprised? Just checking.


Yeah I'd double the oxy dose for when you take it.
 
just remember that oxy has a high bio availability when taken orally... ~80% or better i believe. morphine has a bad oral BA% ~30%

so sometimes it doesnt take much oral oxy to match an oral morphine dose. id say 40 mg oxycodone orally is around 100mg of morphine orally. infact my ex-girl who died of cancer... she was on 100mg morphine ms-contins, when she had an episode with real bad pain once they tried just about every opiate they could on her. when they tried oxycodone, which was one of the first they tried, they gave her 40mg oxycodone orally. at first i was thinking damn thats not enough... but then after doing a little math and thinking about it myself i agreed that was about equivalent dosages.

if it were IV morphine compared to IV oxy the morphine is stronger in my opinion.

so anyways OP... im pretty sure alt 14 is right. if u use 1g of codiene(which really isnt safe) to get high or whatever, you may not get a lot out of 40 mg oxy(take it orally by the way... no reason not to imo) either way just be careful messing around with all these different opiates, just because you dont feel high doesnt mean u cant OD.
 
I meant oral morphine vs oral oxy. Bioavailability has nothing to do with the equivalencies I used.

P.S. idk about the time release but 40mg oxy ir is equal to 60mg ir morphine orally.
 
Your process for trying to get high from Bupe was your problem. Bupe is not a drug that there is ANY POINT in redosing because it lasts so fucking long. Odds are, if you're opiate dependent/experienced at all, the second dose you take is NOT going to get you any higher, just prolong the experience. Tolerance with super potent Opiates like Bupe work way different than less potent Opiates. It was good that you did this as a test experiment so you know how much you can handle tho - although you need to make sure you know the how well each ROA absorbs the Bupe. Oral, you only get 10% of the dose, Sublingual you get 30% of your dose, Sniffing you get 60%, IV is 100%. If you're trying to get HIGH off Bupe, don't waste your time eating it - all it will do is fuck up your tolerance and make it take longer for you to be able to achieve a decent high again. Decide the dose you want to take, from what you've taken previously - I would say sniff between 4-8mgs all at once after at least 36 hours of not taking any Bupe. If you do this, I guarantee you will see a different side of this drug. When you're actually able to get high from Subs, which is honestly a pain in the ass and a bit of an art to get good at - the high reminds me of Heroin more than anything else. Good mood, stoney feeling in your head, relaxed throughout your body, slight nodding off, super lazy high usually. It's actually quite nice if you do it just right and get to the sweet spot of the drug. It's not meant to get you high tho - that's why how you were taking it was NOT working. They are best kept for a rainy day when you can't find anything else, to keep WD's at bay, or just take them as prescribed so you don't have to be an addict.
As for how long you should wait before you try that Oxy or whatever it is you want to take - I would wait NO LESS than 3-4 days at a minimum. Bupe hangs around for a LONG TIME when you aren't used to heavy Opiates, and anything above 4mgs will block the effects of any other Opiate COMPLETELY. EVEN IV HEROIN, so you're little 40mg pill ain't breaking thru shit. My recommendation, hold onto your Oxy for at least 4 days, and then sniff the whole pill at once. It still probably won't do much for you. Oxy is fucking weak and lame in my book. Find a better Opiate if you want to party. 1g of Codeine is no joke - it can still lead to addiction and chasing the dragon one day............Be aware. Oh yeah, if you have some Bupe left, give it another try in about a week and do it like I said. No Opiates the day prior to taking it so there's no Precipitated WD's (LOOK THIS UP IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!!) - and then take your dose nasally all at once. DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 8mgs nasally your first time. That's a pretty hefty dose. Bupe also has a Ceiling Dose of 32mgs - anything even CLOSE to that is fucking pointless. Bupe can be fun and a useful tool - you just have to know how to use it to your advantage and get the most out of it.
 
Mr. Meowfish said:
.Be aware. Oh yeah, if you have some Bupe left, give it another try in about a week and do it like I said. No Opiates the day prior to taking it so there's no Precipitated WD's (LOOK THIS UP IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!!) - and then take your dose nasally all at once. DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 8mgs nasally your first time. That's a pretty hefty dose. Bupe also has a Ceiling Dose of 32mgs - anything even CLOSE to that is fucking pointless. Bupe can be fun and a useful tool - you just have to know how to use it to your advantage and get the most out of it.
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Thanks for all the good advice. I might try just one like you said in a week or so. I don't get W/D's so it wouldn't happen to me, but I'd want to have not touched anything at all for a few days to get a full effect.

@ alt Thanks for that but I don't know all about this site yet, hadn't seen a sticky, never used subs, had different parts of questions that would have diverted the other threads a lot, I wanted a bit more accurate answers they weren't the same questions. It had been 4 days, and it wasn't a complete waste especially considering low cost, which I gained using the advice from this site. So again, please go easy on me, I'm not gonna react to the bad vibes, and don't want to start arguments like I see on here. I listened to all advice and consumed knowing effects would be reduced. I saved the oxy cos of the advice so I did listen and not waste the more expensive opiate. Thanks for all the friendly advice everyone.
 
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I was thinking of never using bupe again after my experience cos the first time I did only sniff 2mg and it didn't work, then the next day did 8mg subingual and now realise the half life is so long it wouldn't work on consecutive days. Meow your prob right next time I should just take the plunge and sniff an 8 all at once. Theres one left. So maybe another time.
 
Honestly bupe does give you an opiate high, its just weak and the ceiling effect prevents it from getting to anything more than a mild buzz, = to I'd say maybe 200-300 mg of codeine. I mean it obviosuly does something to stimulate the opiate receptors. I like to take it in small doses but more frequently. Typically 2 mg 2-3 times daily. This allows for the ups and downs you won't get with a single 8 mg dose a day. For me I wake up in mild w/d and once the bupe kicks in I feel good, energized and socialable(sp?). My opinion has been low doses are good because of the ups and downs, if you take enough to always be above the ceiling effect you just feel normal. Its just like how the first dose of your DOC is the best one of the day. CAuse its the longest layoff.
 
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