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Opioids Does Subutex Just not get you high? Even with no dependance?

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atv

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First off. Dont use strong opiates often, Codeine tolerance 1g though, non dependant (ceiling i find nonsense theres 2 actives). Can go weeks without. All of this is purely recreational before people talk about withdrawals.

I tried sub on the weekend, I was told to start small 2-3mg (the day before I'd had codeine but only one day before that nothing for a week) so took that amount nasally and sublingually.
It worked from the 2mg a tiny bit, then nothing when I started increasing so I saved it.

The next day I didn't do it and stupidly did codeine which did nothing but make me drowsy.


The next day I took 13mg of Subutex and it did NOTHING! The next day an 8MG all at once, NOTHING. Was it cos off stuff in my system? OR is it my codeine tolerance that simply wont allow me to get high off it??

I haven't had ANY opiates for 4 days now, as am non dependent, and Ive got an 8mg sub and a 40mg Oxy on the way (Never tried)

I'm wondering what one to do cos I know if I do the sub I cant do the oxy for about 3 or 4 days. And if the Sub doesnt work I'm gonna be pissed off, so I reckon its oxy time and do the sub a few days after that or just save for a rainy day.

My TRUE questions are:

Does subuTEX just not get some people high? Even those not dependent on ANY opiates? And also have I waited long enough (4 days after sub) to take this Oxy today?
Is 40 mg a low dose for someone who has a high codeine tolerance and just cant seem to get high off subs?!

Never tried oxy, was thinking snort half eat half best of both worlds, sound right?
 
so , do you get mad if i do some technique questions about opioids affinities, and then you are just a codeine user? 8( quite ironic


Does subuTEX just not get some people high?
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you asked your own question with your own experience


I waited long enough (4 days after sub) to take this Oxy today?
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Do the maths. Each 36 hours, the bupre you had in your system is divided by 2, so each 3 days divided by 4. Having 2 mg in your system blocks a lot, having 1 mg still blocks but not so blocking as the 2 mg


Do you see the irony? In cannabiscafe there are also some "codeine expert users" who messes up in technique oppiate threads, like if they were expert users

Did you really were arguing about the nM and about the affinities when you are asking now so basic questions?

I dont say this for you to getting mad, just , if want some tip, the best way to learn in life ( not only in drugs) is:

1) asking when you dont know sth

2) knowing when some thread or discussion is over your knowledge/experience


ps:to people maybe loste about my words, i am speaking about this thread:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/686785-Affinity-of-different-oppies
 
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Even if the subs is not giving you enough to satisfy you, there has to be some effects. But I think this is the 3rd thread about this and its been said before, for probably the majority of people subs have little recreational value and you are one of them, I guess. Fact is the ceiling effect of Subs, which at most is 6 mg and can be much less depending on the person, is around 1/2 of a G of codeine. There are plenty of opiate/opioid conversion charts on bluelight and other sites where you can figure out what your cross tolerance to other drugs. I'll the do 40 mg of oxy for you, when taken PO 40 mg of oxycodone is = to 400 mg of codeine. When snorted the oxy bioavailability is less so that number will be lower. If it is an OP 40 (an dI assume it is because I don't know of anything IR that is bigger than 30 mg) then it will hit you slower and not feel as strong, but last longer. Also OPs are not (suppose to be) snortable. People do it and there are ways it can be down out there on the web.,
 
El Barto said:
so , do you get mad if i do some techique questions about opioids affinities, and then you are justa codeine user? 8( quire ironic




you asked your own question with your own experience




Do the maths. Each 36 hours, the bupre you had in your system is divided by 2, so each 3 days divided by 4. Having 2 mg in your system blocks a lot, having 1 mg still blocks but not so blocking as the 2 mg


Do you see the irony? In cannabiscafe there are also some "codeine expert users" who messes up in technique oppiate threads, like if they were expert users

Did you really were arguing about the nM and about the affinities when you are asking now so basic questions?

I dont say this for you to getting mad, just , if want some tip, the best way to learn in life ( not only in drugs) is:

1) asking when you dont know sth

2) knowing when some thread or discussion is over your knowledge/experience


ps:to people maybe loste about my words, i am speaking about this thread:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/686785-Affinity-of-different-oppies
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I am pretty sure that is a different person you are arguing with in that thread. This thread was written by 'atv' the other on by 'Alt 14'
 
Is Ok.

Just want to know, I took about 24mg of sub over three days last week thurs, sat and sunday (but really early sunday 7am or so). I've had nothing since. Its going to be today( Wednesday) 3pm when I want to take 40mg of Oxy for the first time. Im not an expert and I couldn't quite understand el barto your method I find it a little hard to understand the english sorry.

I think the best way is to crush it all bomb half then snort the other half. Am I right or wrong, should I just bomb it all instead or should I not take it because of the bupe I took, last one 4 and a half days ago. Just wanna know that really. Only have one, wanna do it the right way, or not do it if its not going to work. Cheers
 
Really appreciate if someone could advise me if its worth taking this oc40 4 days after bupe, and the best way to do so. Thank you.
 
From gathered research bombing the whole lot seems the way to go...and 40mgs with a strong codeine tolerance would be a safe dose? What about mixing in some codeine! ha.
 
atv said:
Really appreciate if someone could advise me if its worth taking this oc40 4 days after bupe, and the best way to do so. Thank you.
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juts write clearly your subuxone doses last days, and i can do the maths here, so you learn how to do this for next time ( it is very useful to know when can you do total agonist again)

today is wednsesday, i would need: last sunday: x mg of subuxone, last saturday X mg and etc

i mean , those 24 mg of subutex, wich days it were exactly and wich amount?
 
 
atv said:
Thurs 3mg 2pm
Sat 13mg 11am
Sun 8mg 7am
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ok , from last thursday, aftre three days ( it means last sunday) you still got 3/4= 0.75 mg of bupre--> from sunday to wednseday ( today ) its 0.75/4= 0.1875 mg in your system of buprenorphine

saturday, 13 mg, so in 3 days, ( it means yestarday) you have 13/4= 3.25 mg in your system. Lets say today at half of the day another 36 hours happened, so it would be like 3.25/2= 1.625 mg

sunday 8 mg, so three days is today, 8/4= 2 mg

So today you have in your system ( approximate)= 0.1875+1.625+2= 3.1825 mg of buprenorphine

3.1825 mg is enough to block the oxy you were talking about. Those 13 from saturday, and specialy those 8 from sunday are stilll blocking. If you wait until tomorrow, you may feel sth. Friday you may feel it . Saturday you may feel oxy close to 100% of its potency

if any mistake on the maths, please share it. I did it fastly

ps: i was too lazy to count the exactly hours, just took in account the days
 
El Barto said:
ok , from last thursday, aftre three days ( it means last sunday) you still got 3/4= 0.75 mg of bupre--> from sunday to wednseday ( today ) its 0.75/4= 0.1875 mg in your system of buprenorphine

saturday, 13 mg, so in 3 days, ( it means yestarday) you have 13/4= 3.25 mg in your system. Lets say today at half of the day another 36 hours happened, so it would be like 3.25/2= 1.625 mg

sunday 8 mg, so three days is today, 8/4= 2 mg

So today you have in your system ( approximate)= 0.1875+1.625+2= 3.1825 mg of buprenorphine

3.1825 mg is enough to block the oxy you were talking about. Those 13 from saturday, and specialy those 8 from sunday are stilll blocking. If you wait until tomorrow, you may feel sth. Friday you may feel it . Saturday you may feel oxy close to 100% of its potency

if any mistake on the maths, please share it. I did it fastly

ps: i was too lazy to count the exactly hours, just took in account the days
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Thanks for doing the calculations.

Can anyone back up El bartos mathematics?

Oh my god. I'm never doing subutex again....I can see how its good for dependents but for recreational users FFS it barely did ANYTHING and now I have to wait a week to get high!!! I don't mind waiting a bit, but I do like to get high a couple of times a week!!!
Thanks for the maths El barto,
But pleeeeease someone tell me he is wrong and I can take it now!! haha...

I suppose its boring benzos then
 
alt 14 said:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ll-codeine-work-today?p=11746380#post11746380

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...and-pod-tea-tolerance?p=11746145#post11746145

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/686325-Codeine-and-Subutex-question?p=11746463#post11746463

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-subutex-did-nothing!?p=11748463#post11748463

Oh it's not that bad. Just the 5th thread you started about the same question.
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Yea I thought it was only 5th. And I am pretty sure if you skim through all those the answers to some of the questions are there. I actually mentioned in 2 of them that some people won't care for suboxone and his 1 g codeine dosage might be far more than any dose of sub can give (due to ceiliing effect and personal metabolism of the drug)
 
atv said:
Is Ok.

Just want to know, I took about 24mg of sub over three days last week thurs, sat and sunday (but really early sunday 7am or so). I've had nothing since. Its going to be today( Wednesday) 3pm when I want to take 40mg of Oxy for the first time. Im not an expert and I couldn't quite understand el barto your method I find it a little hard to understand the english sorry.

I think the best way is to crush it all bomb half then snort the other half. Am I right or wrong, should I just bomb it all instead or should I not take it because of the bupe I took, last one 4 and a half days ago. Just wanna know that really. Only have one, wanna do it the right way, or not do it if its not going to work. Cheers
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Yet again, if it is an oxyCONTIN, it is uncrushable (unless you got a 3 year old pill which someone probably charged you x2-3 what it is actually worth b/c they are nearly inexistent and overpricced due to being a collectors item of sorts). AFAIK there are no 40 mg oxycodone ir or roxicodones so it most likely a extended release with the anti abuse formula. It needs to be ground up with a pedi egg or something similar. There is a method to microwave it that makes it snortable like the old ones, and you can snort it, but it gels up in you nose like crazy and is real bitch to clear out. Best bet is to chew it up uptil it dissolves and chase with a drink of water. It will hit harder than just cutting it or grinding and bombing as you called it, but still not as hard as an IR. And with you tolerance to codine you might won't some on hand because the 40 mg of oxy might be dissapointing by itself.
 
A lot of people say different things. Some people say that Codeine isn't a real opiate, and even 1g isn't a tolerance, because of the ceiling others say it is, some are rapid metabolisers, I believe I am. So rather than answer a simple question like el barto has for me you have taken the time to skim through five different threads, to give a bit of hassle. I wanted to save time and get a direct answer if I could use today based on precise amounts of bupe that I had taken for the first time. There is no answer in those threads that tells me that I currently have 3.1825 mg of bupe in my system at this moment.
Give a guy a break,
Thank you El barto.
 
Cheers, Im from the UK. My supplier supplies ones where the time release can be broken, they still make those ones here or India, wherever he gets em from! I know in the states they stopped that for you guys. Cheers for the note on tolerance. I have 1g of codeine and only one oc40. Just don't know if I should combine on first time....your right it might be disappointing, and pointless if el bartos maths are correct. Can anyone back that up? Cos Im tempted to take the codeine haha. I might get a little effect and its el cheapo so no prob if not much.
 
RTrain said:
It will hit harder than just cutting it or grinding and bombing as you called it, but still not as hard as an IR. And with you tolerance to codine you might won't some on hand because the 40 mg of oxy might be dissapointing by itself.
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Bombing just a word for parachuting in the UK. I would have thought crushed up real fine and bombed in a rizla would have been better than chewing? Then it wont get all stuck to my teeth no!? And I know these are definitely breakable time realease.

F'it I'll take the codeine. If that works then I'll know that the oxy will work....but heres a new one which hasnt been asked for the thread skimmers, CAN you dose another opiate soon after Codeine? As we all know Codeine is not redosable! Then I could have a real good day/night
Anyone?
 
RTrain said:
someone probably charged you x2-3 what it is actually worth b/c they are nearly inexistent and overpricced due to being a collectors item of sorts). AFAIK there are no 40 mg oxycodone ir or roxicodones so it most likely a extended release with the anti abuse formula..
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Overpriced it wasnt. Abusable it is. I know no price discussion but prob about 2 bottles beer in averaged priced american bar. Cant believe how much you guys get ripped off for stuff over there. not fair.
 
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