Opioids Good subutex dose with codeine and pod tea tolerance?

[atv]

This refers to the buprenorphine not the Naloxone. Pure Bupe also has this ceiling effect at higher doses. Additionally under 2mg there is more nor-buprenorphine metabolised which has more recreational effects.

Ok cool. So will start at 2mg, based on your advice and my toerance!
Helpful,
Can I expect a good body buzz? I like that more. Does it work like that? Trams never got me that lusted after body buzz
Very....

 

[atv]

Ok I want to bump this please, need some help,

Going to ingest 1000mg of codeine as its late and dont want to be high all night.
Got my subuTEX and want to try 1 or 2 mg in the morning.

Will it still work? Precip withdrawals out of the question, non dependent this codeine will be the first time ive done ANY opiates in more than a week.

Want to try the sub about 10am. Thats a good 15 hour gap. All good? Will it work?
Hows the body buzz?
Please someone help me with this!

 

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Dude please stop taking over 400-450mg of codeine. It's freaking annoying because it doesn't get you higher, your body isn't special. Lol my2cents

 

[DickTate]

^That is actually a good point since your body can only convert so much Codeine. Anything above is so to speak wasted material.

And I would start with 1mg Buprenorphine. You can always redose. And the body buzz is pretty weak imo, it is more of an activating opioid with some antidepressant properties and it lasts a very long time.

 

[atv]

Dude please stop taking over 400-450mg of codeine. It's freaking annoying because it doesn't get you higher, your body isn't special. Lol my2cents

I'm not here to annoy anyone, mate we are all different. It does for me. I've conducted experiments on it. I don't think my body is special but its a good converter. I know this or I wouldn't have upped my dose and it would have stopped working, yet still does. Re dosing work though properly for at least 12 hours though.

Feel f****in good after just love the body rush tingling.

Wasn't my question though man. The other guy gave me an answer, I'd be grateful for your 2 cents too,

Will subutex still work tomorrow morning 15 hours after dosing codeine. Also what opiate gives a good body feelimg?
Tried H, tramadol and codeine wins hands down, bit disappointed sun doesnt. How long do the effects last?

Sorry for all questions, want to try at 10 but then people arrive by 5, dont wanna be out my nut. Is snorting efficient/re-dosing if not strong enough?

 

[atv]

You can always redose. And the body buzz is pretty weak imo, it is more of an activating opioid with some antidepressant properties and it lasts a very long time.

So re dosing is effective? Trying to work out what it feels like, anything compare?

 

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I've snorted bupe before, one time, and it was ehhhh alright. Think it was 1mg. Got sick. Then way too high. Same happened with 2mg under the tongue. I just stopped doing bupe because its a lot like every other opiate but just lacking something. And lasts wayyy too long for my personal taste.

Idk the BA for snorting it, but it is higher. Idk if you'll feel it, we always had suboxone with naloxone. Which I think you need to not be high for. But I could be plain wrong, my memories foggy.

 

[Tryptamite]

Dude please stop taking over 400-450mg of codeine. It's freaking annoying because it doesn't get you higher, your body isn't special. Lol my2cents

^That is actually a good point since your body can only convert so much Codeine. Anything above is so to speak wasted material.

This is not strictly true. Look into the metabolism of codeine. Narcotic effects are not solely down to conversion to morphine. There are other metabolises like Codeine-6-glucuronide.

From pubmed:

Eighty per cent of codeine is conjugated with glucuronic acid to codeine-6-glucuronide. Only 5% of the dose is O-demethylated to morphine, which in turn is immediately glucuronidated at the 3- and 6-position and excreted renally. Based on the structural requirement of the opiate molecule for interaction with the mu-receptor to result in analgesia, codeine-6-glucuronide in analogy to morphine-6-glucuronide must be the active constituent of codeine. Poor metabolisers of codeine, those who lack the CYP450 2D6 isoenzyme for the O-demethylation to morphine, experience analgesia from codeine-6-glucuronide. Analgesia of codeine does not depend on the formation of morphine and the metaboliser phenotype

 

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Ok then I guess everything I read over the years about ceiling effects are wrong. Whatever, no regrets, yolo

 

[atv]

This is not strictly true. Look into the metabolism of codeine. Narcotic effects are not solely down to conversion to morphine. There are other metabolises like Codeine-6-glucuronide.

From pubmed:

Maybe that's why it works for me in higher doses, did hear of that before.

 

[Tryptamite]

I would be more inclined to trust reputable sources like pubmed and listen to certain more knowledgeable members than believe the majority opinion.
The problem is people keep spreading misinformation, sometimes quoting made up statistics to prove false claims. Why? I don't know. To sound more intelligent ,superior or to gain an upper hand?

"Real eyes, realise, real lies."

It's not always a conspiracy, sometimes it's just stupidity.

 

[atv]

I've snorted bupe before, one time, and it was ehhhh alright. Think it was 1mg. Got sick. Then way too high. Same happened with 2mg under the tongue. I just stopped doing bupe because its a lot like every other opiate but just lacking something. And lasts wayyy too long for my personal taste.

Idk the BA for snorting it, but it is higher. Idk if you'll feel it, we always had suboxone with naloxone. Which I think you need to not be high for. But I could be plain wrong, my memories

What do you think its lacking mate? As I said mine doesn't have nalaxone and I don't want it to last forever, i heard someone say 24 hours, good for someone using for maintenance sure, but as for rec use I don't want to take it at 10 or 11 and look obviously out of it by 5 when I have to be around people. As I've only experienced pods, codeine and H does it have any relation to those?

Pod te gave me the best body buzz but only for 2 hours not like people say, wondering if its really true it lasts so long, I can keep control when under those except H which I wont be touching again, last time I did that was monhs ago...

 

[alt 14]

Yes it's true, it lasts that long. I might be the one that said 24 hours but maybe other ppl said it too.

Idk man if you're experimenting, more power to you. I mean its allrigghhtttt but if I could do pretty much any other opiate instead I would. Then again an 8mg(idk is subtex the same?) will get you high for like 4 or 5 days so I guess it's "worth" it, if that makes sense.


As far as what tryptamines saying about me spreading misinformation, I just remember reading about that on erowid and I think wiki which are generally good sources of info.. And I'm not entirely convinced its not true, but if it means there indeed is no ceiling, sorry for repeating that.

Oh and what's it missing? Idk, you'll find out and make your mind up yourself. Some ppl like it more than others

 

[atv]

Yes it's true, it lasts that long. I might be the one that said 24 hours but maybe other ppl said it too.

Idk man if you're experimenting, more power to you. I mean its allrigghhtttt but if I could do pretty much any other opiate instead I would. Then again an 8mg(idk is subtex the same?) will get you high for like 4 or 5 days so I guess it's "worth" it, if that makes sense.


As far as what tryptamines saying about me spreading misinformation, I just remember reading about that on erowid and I think wiki which are generally good sources of info.. And I'm not entirely convinced its not true, but if it means there indeed is no ceiling, sorry for repeating that.

Oh and what's it missing? Idk, you'll find out and make your mind up yourself. Some ppl like it more than others

Four or five days on one subutex?? That sounds insane.
I will try 1mg to start with,
Being high for 4 or 5 days dont know if i could do that!
Maybe sniffing 1 mg is the way to go so it leaves the body quicker.
Got some codeine and dont want to wait 5 days to do it!!
Actually considering just doing that instead waiting 6 hours then the bupe...hmm so confused

 

[atv]

OK,
So I've finally chopped it into rough quarters (8mg subutex).

Its been 14 hours since my last codeine dose, dont get withdrawals, not dependent. Thats long enough right?

And made 2 lines from 1 quarter. Going to snort it and see where it gets me. If nothing in an hour or so will snort the other.
If still nothing should I bother with anymore?

I'd quite like to take my normal codeine dose later if I am disappointed with the effects, will it still work as well?

Cheers guys

 

[DickTate]

4-5 days is definitely not right. More like 2.

The elimination half-life of buprenorphine is 20–73 hours

(wiki)

OK,
I'd quite like to take my normal codeine dose later if I am disappointed with the effects, will it still work as well?

No it won't because Bupe has such a high affinity and is a partial agonist as well as an antagonist.
At least it will be much weaker.

 

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No I meant like an 8mg pill will get you off 4-5 days total lol. You must've misread. The high is like all day though, no matter when you take it.

 

[atv]

4-5 days is definitely not right. More like 2.

(wiki)



No it won't because Bupe has such a high affinity and is a partial agonist as well as an antagonist.
At least it will be much weaker.

Around 1mg up the nose 20 mins ago and nothing. So even if I get nothing from these 2 lines (prob around 1.8mg smallest quarter!) codeine wont work at all later, like 8 hours later?

If I don't get anything out of these 2 lines, then I suppose it wouldnt hurt to put 2mg under the tongue. Re dosing is effective right?

 

[atv]

Or is snorting just a waste? I heard best BA is that method. Im so impatient though. Ive heard people say an hour before you feel it when you snort it, never know anything snorted to take that long. So I'm safe and its effective to go for 2mg under the tongue if snorting 2mg doesnt work in 2 hours?
Damn thats scary if my tolerance is so high even without addiction. Yesterday was my first gram of codeine or any opiate for a week.

I was also thinking if 1mg snorted does nothing then why would codeine not work if the bupe wasnt enough to get me high?

 

[DickTate]

Bupe takes about 1-2 hours to take effect....and no, snorting is not a waste. And the Codeine wouldn't work because of the reason I mentioned before.
Bupe has a potency of ~35. Codeine: 0,1.

I suggest you to read the Big and Dandy thread since nearly all of your questions are very basic and could be answered by very little research