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Opioids Good subutex dose with codeine and pod tea tolerance?

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atv

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I use codeine, and pod tea and want to try Subutex.

I can't find a definitive answer for this anywhere so need some help please.

I know codeine is in a different league, but I definitely have an opiate tolerance as it takes me about 1 gram of Codeine to get high and around 40g of turkish pods for a good tea. I have also smoked H but only a few times.

I found out that my tolerance must also have crossed over to kratom as I took 25g of bali premium powder from a reputable vendor today and felt nothing at all. I do take regular breaks, and am not addicted though.

I should be obtaining 8mg of subutex and I want to know what you think might be an appropriate starting point on subutex.
I was thinking of starting off on 1mg under the tongue.

Sound about right?
Some help please!

(85 kilo male)
 
Most likely, no...unless you're in heavy withdrawals and then I think more like 4-8 (first dose only) then taper
40 g's Turkish poppies is pretty hefty.
Still wait until you are in wd's otherwise yer' not gonna get the jist of a dose of Bupe'.

Then again if you take regular breaks dont bother w/ it, just quit getting pilled for the non-reality effects. Take em' when you hurt
 
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I found out that my tolerance must also have crossed over to kratom as I took 25g of bali premium powder from a reputable vendor today and felt nothing at all. I do take regular breaks, and am not addicted through

You are correct in assuming that
opiates caused a cross tolerance with the kratom as has opioid activity
 
Stop! Do not take 4mg or 8mg! If you can't wait til I edit this, start with 1.

I can't judge your tolerance because codeine has a ceiling effect, and poppy pods are pretty variable in opiate contents. 40mg of oxycodone would make me pretty high, but not really sick. If this is your tolerance, keep reading. When I took 2mg under the tongue, I got so sick I had to leave school and spend hours praying to the porcelain gods before I could enjoy the rest of the 24hr long high. I wish I would've taken less my first time, but 2mg subsequent times, while relatively intense at the natural tolerance I stated before, were not overwhelming. I hope this helps. Start small. Bupe is pretty damn potent ime. Good luck
 
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Buprenorphine is incredibly potent. You should start at maybe 1 mg - you can always take more later, but if you take too much you will feel very sick.

make sure you're in withdrawals, or at least haven't taken any narcotics for about 24-48 hours, or the bupe might make you go into precipitated withdrawals.
 
tramadol_head1000 said:
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I found out that my tolerance must also have crossed over to kratom as I took 25g of bali premium powder from a reputable vendor today and felt nothing at all. I do take regular breaks, and am not addicted through

You are correct in assuming that
opiates caused a cross tolerance with the kratom as has opioid activity
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Hey tram head
I lived there, that not how its spelled - Busted
 
Doesn't matter if they're from bumfuck Egypt, what matters is strain and growing conditions, which is why I gave him pharm doses to go against. I would imagine if it took him 80mg oxy to get off, it would take maybe 4-5mg bupe to feel it. Don't know why you're hating on Sekio and my posts :/
 
I gotta kinda agree that if those are good pods, taking 40 g at a time means you got a pretty heavy habit.

But.......still start low with the bupe, don't dose more than 2 mg to start. And have patience, as hard as it is when begging for the w/d to cease. The bupe takes over an hour to peak. I have used it a good amount, and typically I don't even really start to feel its effects until 45 minutes, then it build for another 30 minutes and plateaus for 3-4 hours. Also patience when waiting to take that first dose, because if you don't wait long enough you probably know about the risks precipitated w/d or it just won't do much of anything. That pod tea effects stick around for a while, so you have to wait a a bare minimum 24 hours after that(most likely more like >36). I'd only dose on the codeine for at least 3 days prior to inducing the first dose of subs, no pod tea, it will make the waiting hard to time.
 
RTrain said:
I gotta kinda agree that if those are good pods, taking 40 g at a time means you got a pretty heavy habit.

But.......still start low with the bupe, don't dose more than 2 mg to start. And have patience, as hard as it is when begging for the w/d to cease. The bupe takes over an hour to peak. I have used it a good amount, and typically I don't even really start to feel its effects until 45 minutes, then it build for another 30 minutes and plateaus for 3-4 hours. Also patience when waiting to take that first dose, because if you don't wait long enough you probably know about the risks precipitated w/d or it just won't do much of anything. That pod tea effects stick around for a while, so you have to wait a a bare minimum 24 hours after that(most likely more like >36). I'd only dose on the codeine for at least 3 days prior to inducing the first dose of subs, no pod tea, it will make the waiting hard to time.
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Thanks for all the replies guys! Better clear a few things up though:
I need to clear up all these risks of precipitated w/d's. As I said I am an opiate tolerant, but not opiate dependent. I stick to a general rule of thumb when using opiate which is to never use more than 3 day's in a row and then have 3-4days off (More days off with pod tea if possible). Although this cycle is consistently broken, I have now not had Codeine for almost 1 week, and I don't plan on trying the sub till monday (2 more days).

Over the years though even following this has still left me with a 1g codeine tolerance, and that's what I always take when I go back to it.
Pod tea I've only started dabbling in recently. I couldn't tell you if they are the best in the world as I've only bought half a kilo of turkish powdered pods (no seeds etc just the good stuff) from 1 vendor and had that over a couple months. They felt bloody good though, for about 2 hours a big body buzz stronger than codeine but then tapered off to just feeling relaxed, none of this 12 hour high that people talk of, I kept re dosing, or doing it in the morning so that nudged up my tolerance to that make of that what you will.

My body is pretty hardy I think and must be a good processor of codeine, honestly if you put 800mgs or 1000mgs in front of me i would definitely feel better on a 1000. Some reckon the ceiling dose is 5 or 600mg, for me I find that to be rubbish.

Ive never tried oxy.

Hopefully thats a more accurate summary.
 
Oh and I haven't had pod tea for about 2 weeks (Actually I had one recently, a week or so ago 65g fresh but it was locally picked and did nothing even though it was pap som for sure, I'm not really counting it as I barely got a tickle. Heavy rain just at the wrong time I think.

So yeah, I've never experienced a w/d in my life, had no opiates for almost a week, no bad feeling whatsoever.
 
Fire&Water said:
!-2 mg's aint gonna do shite...If those poppies are really from Turkey
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Looked like they were. And I was told they were. The first few small orders came in as complete heads and they were huge, until the vendor got to know me and sent powdered for consistent weight.
 
So I dont really know where I'm at with dosing still...because people keep talking about addiction when Im trying a recreational dose..
A quick break down:

Can handle 1000mg of codeine don't believe in ceiling the more the better for me
Up to 40g of pod tea
Haven't had ANY opiates for a week
Never been dependant
85 kilo male
Looking for a rec sub dose!

1mg, 2mg?
 
Ok recreational dose, sorry I probably just skimmed through the OP and then skimmed a bunch of other posts and got the wrong idea. I think that so often people ask similar questions regarding using suboxone for dependence that it is just assumed that is what you mean.

I can say this, there is no reason whatsoever to take more than 4 mg at once. That is sublingually, too. If you chose to use it by another route it would require even less. The reason is the Suboxone, since it is a agonist/antagonist, only has agonizing effects up to around 4 mg, or the Ceiling Effect of bupe as its called. After 4 mg it is just going to create a stronger blockade effect, last longer, and produce more of the unwanted side effects. Those things are why its good as a maintenance drug, but crap for recreational use. My suggestions is to start at 2 mg, and add more if it doesn't do much. But if you get to 4 mg don't waste your time adding more, it will just be a waste.
There is a chance you might just not care for bupe, it just might not be enough to give you a recreational high because of your tolerance. It is pretty powerful stuff, though, and you don't want to take more than necessary.
 
RTrain said:
The reason is the Suboxone, since it is a agonist/antagonist, only has agonizing effects up to around 4 mg, or the Ceiling Effect of bupe as its called. After 4 mg it is just going to create a stronger blockade effect, last longer, and produce more of the unwanted side effects. Those things are why its good as a maintenance drug, but crap for recreational use. My suggestions is to start at 2 mg, and add more if it doesn't do much. But if you get to 4 mg don't waste your time adding more, it will just be a waste.
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Cool I have a better idea now, but this is subutex it contains no naloxone, only bupe man, so there is no limit, but from what people have said I don't know if I'd need more than 4mg.
I will probably start at 1mg to gauge effects is re-dosing effective? What are extremely low dose 0.2mg tabs for, just pain?
Realise it must be super potent.
Cheers
 
atv said:
Cool I have a better idea now, but this is subutex it contains no naloxone, only bupe man, so there is no limit
Cheers
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This refers to the buprenorphine not the Naloxone. Pure Bupe also has this ceiling effect at higher doses. Additionally under 2mg there is more nor-buprenorphine metabolised which has more recreational effects.
 
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