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Harm Reduction The Pain Management Mega Thread Version 4

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Rod have you ever tried serrapeptase *sp for your joints and muscular inflammation? It's a natural enzyme that works as an anti inflammatory, I take it with naproxen and reduction of inflammation of all my affected limbs is quite dramatically reduced. I also use a cream called algesal, I don't rate it but I have given tubes to friends with sports injuries that have found it effective at bring relief to a certain extent. Worth a shot? I have mentioned this previously but think in ver 3.
 
Thankyou, i check those out. Its hilarious to me using creams at this age but stuff happens. Have to look at it in a funny way or I get depressed. I have made improvements in mobility but I know at some point this hardware have to come out. Going back under the knife I think is my worst nightmare. Would rather die but until then I keep taking advice and try to progress. How are you feeling this week?
 
No problem. I have tried everything that's been thrown at me, nothing's stuck though I'm kinda running out of options. Ah well
 
I use much of what has been spoken about here, but just applying it out of the tube may not work or may not give the best results.
My chronic Pain triggers muscle seizures and spasms within my joints and muscles.

Have you ever mistakenly put on liniment (heat rub) right after a shower and then gone WOW as its 2x or 3x as effective, even too hot to the point of burning as the warm water had opened you pores allowing much deeper penetration.
All of what your speaking of will enter much better, getting into the muscle or joint if you warm-up the joint or muscle first with a little exercise, soak the area in warm water or use hot towel compresses, or heating pads.
Give it a shot and check out the deeper penetration.
 
So is there really any hope to be pain free any time soon? Are doctors working on any novel treatments, new opioids or non-narcotic pain relievers? I'm only 26, and I definitely cannot deal with this for too much longer. A life like this is no life at all.
 
Yes. There is going to be a new painkiller, based on scorpion venom that seems very promising.
 
So is there really any hope to be pain free any time soon? Are doctors working on any novel treatments, new opioids or non-narcotic pain relievers? I'm only 26, and I definitely cannot deal with this for too much longer. A life like this is no life at all.

Having lived with chronic pain since early childhood and now in my 50’s, I can honestly say there has never been more hope of a complete recovery or a better time for patents whose injury has healed, but the pain remained, meaning the injury or problem has healed but the pain perception system continuers sending the pain signals. Like grabbing a scalding pot, getting burned, feeling pain, only the pain doesn’t stop after the burn heals and continues after the fact.

Our mind is in control of our body, and our attention (Where our mind goes, what we think of and say to ourselves) and controls what we feel, of course everyone knows our mind is in control but we just don’t always think or realize what that means or entails and the ramifications of it.

For these people there is currently hope of permanent relief with Brain based therapy, CBT Cognitive Based Chronic Pain Management and Mindfulness-Based Chronic Pain Management.
My condition (injury) is ongoing but I still have had great success and a multi-level reduction in my pain, many others have had complete and ongoing relief, it’s so simple and so easy, Google for information.
 
The rumor around here is that something new is being worked up thru the red tape now. Really no info besides its not an opiate and less harmful in longterm use. When and if it makes it thru trials??? Who knows with our system. They would help millions of people suffering so that seems like a good reason to work it out. Not sure about scorpians and cobra venom but may have something there. I'll test anything just lay it on me dr feelgood lool.
 
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Ya there has to be a better way than just asking a patient "are you on a 5-10 scale of pain?". Then most hospitals treat you the same way no matter what you tell them. They hear it soo many times everyday, everyone there on 9-10 pain level. So they become insensative to it and we get less attention when its needed. They think everyone trying to get meds, thats it. I bring my own meds to surgery now. No faith in the "pain management team".
 
Pain team did a procedure on me 3 weeks ago, fucked up did it on the wrong side so I had to go back to theatre to have the procedure again. It hasn't helped my pain and has damaged my back. Useless
 
That seems to be happening alot, doing the wrong side. Here they mark your injury with huge black marker because too many patients having wrong procedure on the wrong side. I would sue everyone till they pants fell off lol. Get it right idiot doctor's.
 
I know, wouldn't mind but they had drawn on me... On the wrong god damn side lol. Was meant to give me some relief but instead I'm now having more problems. They didn't do a very good job with the last procedure, it actually caused the crps to spread up my leg and made a mess of my kidneys. I'm totally having private treatments from now on, fuck the national health service, more like national hell service. Sorry for the rant been at the hospital all day, tired in pain and fucked off with the entire system :/
 
I feel the same way. My hospital offerring this an that, I hate going there. Being sick or in pain and waiting forever is why people go crazy. I tried escaping in a wheel chair once, nurse follow me outside and had a nice yell at me with security. One time tried walking out on crutches got 10 feet and almost fainted. Had to hop back in bed and stuck there 2 more days. At the hopsital here your time is measured in days not hours.

Thats really messed up how they did you. Malpractice maybe? You know better than me but here its sue first ask later. If they compound your condition you have to be compensated. I know you may have a few things already tied up in court, it drives everyone crazy. Your def not alone.

I tried that Voltoran gel yestrday and not sure if it did much. Might just use it on rainy or humid days when I in the most pain. It def smells medicinal and I still affraid to put it on my bad hip. Little too close for comfort but that hip is acting weird also. Sometimes I get these pops and almost fall down, its hilarious. I must look drunk walking sometimes but very sober these days.
 
I've done a bunk numerous times, so now if I get picked up by ambulance they intentionally leave my wheelchair at home, bastards. Have you tried a tens machine for your pain Rod?
 
Btw, I found this: http://news.discovery.com/human/snail-venom-painkiller.htm

Since they say the snail venom was 100 times more potent than morphine and that it's not addictive, I wonder what it's like. Does it just make the pain go away or does it still fuck you up with activating the part of the brain that wants more. I mean, it has to have some noticeable feeling, it is paralyzing venom after all. I guess we'll see
 
Btw, I found this: http://news.discovery.com/human/snail-venom-painkiller.htm

Since they say the snail venom was 100 times more potent than morphine and that it's not addictive, I wonder what it's like. Does it just make the pain go away or does it still fuck you up with activating the part of the brain that wants more. I mean, it has to have some noticeable feeling, it is paralyzing venom after all. I guess we'll see

Good article. I'm curious to see where this goes. Seems like a lot of work to extract the venom though. Looks like based on the article and wikipedia they've already approved one drug so far.

"The first painkiller derived from cone snail toxins, ziconotide, was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in December 2004 under the name "Prialt"." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conus
 
It's not an opioid, it has no effect on opioid receptors. The receptors it does affect are not associated with recreational effects. In fact the psychoactivity it does produce is generally considered dysphoric, hallucinations, delusions, etc. It has to be administered via a spinal pump. Attempts to administer it via other routes is either ineffective or the side effects become more prominent than the analgesia. It is considered an absolute last option, used only where opioids are ineffective or no longer tolerated. You'll get morphine in your pump before Prialt.
 
It's not an opioid, it has no effect on opioid receptors. The receptors it does affect are not associated with recreational effects. In fact the psychoactivity it does produce is generally considered dysphoric, hallucinations, delusions, etc. It has to be administered via a spinal pump. Attempts to administer it via other routes is either ineffective or the side effects become more prominent than the analgesia. It is considered an absolute last option, used only where opioids are ineffective or no longer tolerated. You'll get morphine in your pump before Prialt.

I figured, I was just speculating. Anyways, these are the side-effects of Prialt, and they sound absolutely terrible:

The most common side effects are dizziness, nausea, confusion, nystagmus and headache. Others may include weakness, hypertonia, ataxia, abnormal vision, anorexia, somnolence, unsteadiness on feet, vertigo, urinary retention, pruritis, increased sweating, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, asthenia, pyrexia, rigors, sinusitis, muscle spasms, myalgia, insomnia, anxiety, amnesia, nystagmus, tremor, memory impairment and induced psychiatric disorders. Other side effects which are less frequent but still clinically significant include auditory and visual hallucinations, thoughts of suicide, acute renal failure, atrial fibrilation, cardiovascular accident, sepsis, new or worsening depression, paranoia, disorientation, meningitis and seizures. Therefore, it is contraindicated in people with a history of psychosis, schizophrenia, clinical depression, and bipolar disorder. Recent incidents suggesting a link between intrathecal ziconotide treatment and increased risk of suicide have led to calls for strict and ongoing psychiatric monitoring of patients to avoid suicide occurring in vulnerable individuals. There is no known anti-dote.
 
Thats a great article, maybe what my dr was talking about with something new on the way. If they still in trials we can expect it available in 10 years maybe. Fda has their own trials after these trials. Sign me up for some snail venom trials. Hallucination sounds like a substantial side effect. I can deal with that over oxy wds. I about to go on a snail hunt and trips out lol.
 
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