FDA Finds Not All Generics Created Equal

Are Generics Really the Same as Branded Drugs? (or the same as other generics?)

This article is from a little earlier this year but I thought it was important because we frequently hear that all generics are equal to brand name drugs and to each other. But personal experience and from what you hear from so many people is that there is a difference between different generics and also in the branded drugs. So what is the truth? A little shocking....

Are generics really the same as branded drugs?

January 10, 2013: 5:00 AM ET

Consumers are told that generics are just like their name-brand counterparts. More medical professionals are starting to say that's not the case.
By Katherine Eban, contributor


In October the Food and Drug Administration took a highly unusual step: It declared that a generic drug it had previously approved -- a version of the popular antidepressant Wellbutrin -- was not in fact "bioequivalent" to the name-brand version. The FDA withdrew its approval.
The federal action shook the business. Teva Pharmaceuticals (TEVA), which marketed the generic in question, has stopped selling it, and other companies are now testing their versions of Wellbutrin at the FDA's request. The episode is bringing momentum to a movement that has been quietly building among many doctors and medical societies that are increasingly willing to ask a question that borders on heresy: Are generics really identical to the branded products they are meant to replicate? To a surprising degree, they say, the answer is no.

If you're a layperson, this is the way you probably think of generics: They're the exact same products in different packaging; generics companies can sell such medications for a fraction of the cost of the originals because they don't have to spend huge sums on drug development and marketing.

That apparent miracle explains why more than 80% of all U.S. prescriptions dispensed in 2012 were generic. Using nonbranded medications saved Americans $193 billion this past year, according to the Generic Pharmaceutical Association.

But generic drugs diverge from the originals far more than most of us believe. For starters, it's not as if the maker of the original pharmaceutical hands over its manufacturing blueprint when its patent runs out or is challenged. The patent reveals the components, but it doesn't explain how to make the drug. In reality, manufacturing a generic requires reverse engineering, and the result is an approximation rather than a duplicate of the original.

The FDA's rules effectively acknowledge that. The agency's definition of bioequivalence is surprisingly broad: A generic's maximum concentration of active ingredient in the blood must not fall more than 20% below or 25% above that of the brand name. This means a potential range of 45%, by that measure, among generics labeled as being the same.

There are other differences. The generic must contain the same active ingredient as the original. But the additional ingredients, known as excipients, can be different and are often of lower quality. Those differences can affect what's called bioavailability -- the amount of drug that could potentially be absorbed into the bloodstream. As the American Heart Association recently noted, "Some additives traditionally thought to be inert, such as alcohol sugars, cyclodextrans, and polysorbate-80, may alter a drug's dissolution, thereby impacting its bioavailability."

The FDA standards also do not specifically regulate how quickly the medicine reaches peak concentration in the blood. That can become a major issue for patients who take generic versions of time-release drugs, which constitute 10% of the market, according to IMS Health. The time-release mechanisms for branded drugs are usually protected by separate patents, so generics companies engineer alternative and usually cheaper mechanisms.

That can result in drugs that release active ingredients into the blood far more quickly, leaving patients feeling dizzy or nauseated. Barbara Davit, director of the division of bioequivalence II in the FDA's Office of Generic Drugs, acknowledges that the agency does not apply "formal statistics" to measuring Tmax, the time it takes for a drug to reach maximum concentration. But reviewers do informally consider it, she says, asserting that applications have been rejected because of Tmax results.

Much of the credit for the FDA's decision to withdraw its approval for Teva's version of Wellbutrin goes to Joe Graedon, a pharmacologist, advocate, and co-host, with his wife, Terry, of an NPR radio program called The People's Pharmacy. Prompted in large part by a deluge of critical reports from listeners who felt sickened by generics or found them ineffective, he undertook his own research. In 2008 he encouraged an independent laboratory to test the generic equivalent of Wellbutrin 300 mg after listeners complained that Teva's version, Budeprion XL, had made them feel woozy, sick to their stomach, or even suicidal.

He was stunned to learn that the generic's active ingredient dissolved four times more quickly in the first two hours than that of the brand name because of a different time-release mechanism. Graedon began pushing the FDA to release more results from generic-drug companies' pharmacologic studies. (The FDA generally relies on company tests rather than conduct its own.)
The FDA refused to divulge the data, deeming it proprietary. For five years the agency dismissed complaints from Graedon and others that the generic Wellbutrin wasn't the same as the original. Eventually, however, patient advocates pressured the regulators to conduct their own tests. The results revealed that on average Teva's product achieved a 75% concentration within the blood -- below the 80% minimum -- and in some cases delivered as little as 40%. (This episode is extremely unusual, argues Gordon Johnston, a representative for the Generic Pharmaceutical Association, who says the FDA's standard "has been demonstrated to assure bioequivalence between brand and generic drugs." Johnston notes that the agency occasionally withdraws approval for name-brand drugs too.)


In the case of some medications, small differences can have large effects. Doctors are most concerned about so-called narrow therapeutic index drugs. These treat conditions like epilepsy, hypertension, and endocrine disorders that require precise dosing, where minor variations can lead to life-threatening complications. Medical societies such as the American Academy of Neurology, the Endocrine Society, and the American Heart Association contend that a switch to generics can cause adverse events, and they oppose doing so without a doctor's approval.....


To read the whole article...

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/10/generic-drugs-quality/
 
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I had meant to post this article awhile back due to so many differences in what I hear people say about generics. Many people repeat what they have always been told, that generics are just as good as brand name drugs and that all generics are the same. Then you hear the people swear by a certain manufacturer...oh, the blue "footballs" hydrocodone 10mgs are much better than the white ones (just as an example). They are frequently told it is all in their head, a placebo effect if you will.

I was prompted to think about this issue again recently as I had to fill my pain meds at a different pharmacy last week due to mine being out of stock. The ones I received were a generic manufacturer that I have never seen before (after being on this med for many years). I really did not notice until I realized how much differently there were affecting me.

Not only do I feel like I have been kind of cheated but the facts regarding those drugs that have such a narrow range of effective and safe doses (thyroid meds, coumadin, etc)...i am just shocked at the safety issues this poses
 
This is the same story that has been repeated over and over again. The only case study cited is the Teva wellbutrin fuckup. Which happened primarily because the FDA approved both the 150mg and 300mg formulations but only checked the paperwork for the 150mg formulation.

In general, generic drugs are held to a very tight standard. to my knowledge there have never been IR generic medication screwups. So yeah, it is all in their head. Nobody has proved otherwise yet.
 
The FDA issues huge ass fines if certain requirements are not made.

The amount of the substance in question is most definitely one of them.

Each batch is tested for accuracy by the FDA and the companies themselves.

There are backups to the backups...

Nothing on the shelf is inferior to the name brand drugs...
 
Idk I don't think instant release generics are any different than brand names other than price. Xr medications may have different systems of drug delivery so I guess that's why there is a range by the FDA. Not really eye-opening IMHO and seems a bit like propaganda they way it's presented. Maybe I'm thick headed tho :?

Edit: seiko said pretty much what I did but I'm not going to delete my post just because of that!
 
This is the same story that has been repeated over and over again.

Yeah I recalled posting in that first link, the one from toothpastedog a few months back.
 
This is the same story that has been repeated over and over again. The only case study cited is the Teva wellbutrin fuckup. Which happened primarily because the FDA approved both the 150mg and 300mg formulations but only checked the paperwork for the 150mg formulation.

In general, generic drugs are held to a very tight standard. to my knowledge there have never been IR generic medication screwups. So yeah, it is all in their head. Nobody has proved otherwise yet.

Actually, if you read the FDAs orange book manual for the process, the FDA states that it is acceptable to have that range of 20%below or 25% above (a sum of a 45% difference). So, they are not denying that it exists..so no...if one brand has a 45% difference in active ingredients than another...its NOT in your head.

Ask your pharmacist..

Did you not read the results of the other tested products before making your comment?
 
I'm thinking you misunderstand what that 45% range means.. It has to do with serum levels at any given time, not the amount of active ingredients, and not the amount of active ingredients released in the 12/24 hour period the xr formulations release the ingredients in. Also I only see a max 25% difference in those serum levels. Here, if I understand it correctly, absolute value is more accurate to describe what's going on than that range of 45% you're hung up on.

Think of it like this. 2 24mg xr pills. You take either one, and they both release 24mg in 24 hours. But 1 of those pills is "allowed" to release 1.2mg in one particular hour and .8mg the hour after that. If you can understand the example.

Instant release pills all release all of their contents at once so that +/- 20% thing really has nothing to do with IR pills.
 
Think of it like this. 2 24mg xr pills. You take either one, and they both release 24mg in 24 hours. But 1 of those pills is "allowed" to release 1.2mg in one particular hour and .8mg the hour after that. If you can understand the example.

This is not insignificant. This can be the difference between a drug working and not working.
 
Yea im in agreement that there are generics that simply are not as good as their name brand countparts. The additional ingredients in the pill can def change the speed of peak plasma concentration in the blood. It could be in my head but ive had generic xanax before that seems weaker than pfizer or their subsidiary greenstone. So since my insurance always gives me generic i made sure to find a pharm that gives me greenstones bc they seem to be better quality than other generics.
 
I was on prescription pure codeine and while the insurance company was paying i always went for the real pharma brand cos the cost wasn't my problem.

Then after the insurance ran out i switched to the generic brand, was 1/4 the cost and was kick ass, heaps better, came on faster, seemed much stronger, nothing but good things to say about it (apart from the fact i ended up with a codeine addiction that it took 2 years to kick) lol.
 
Last month my suboxone script was changed from the propietary R/B to Activas. At my usual dose I get a bastard headache on the Activas.Talked with my doc about it and he says," yeah it's the nalaxone", No shit. So as a patient I just deal with it,lower my dose, treat the headache,such bullshit.
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yeah here in the UK i was one of the 1st batch of patients started on subuTEX brand, which i took for 4 to 5 years , then these small arrow generics came out, which didnt give a "clean headed " feel or work as well sublingal or snorted. They blocked other opies as well as subutex but my cravings came back and the "energy/mood lift" became a thing of the past.
 
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