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bk-MDMA methylone being sold as "molly"

how easy/hard is it actually to distuingish between MDMA and bk-MDMA in a blind test? apart from the shorter action of methylone, how large are the qualitative differences?

I have to think about a friend of mine, who likes both MDMA and methylone very much, and always claims to see no difference between the two (he is generally a firm believer in his theory that the differences between different drugs in the same category are all hyped up); but when I gave him a dose of the substance of his choice as a gift, he still wanted the MDMA. I gave it to him reluctantly, because I don't have much, and have no good connections, and I have so much more methylone stashed. :\

well, I guess I will gift him some 6-APB on the next occasion; I'm curious to see what he thinks of that!
 
IMO, it will fool a good 3/4 of inexperienced people. I know some who would purposely buy BK-MDMA "molly" instead of MDMA just because it was easier and cheaper to get their hands on

The majority of people might think it's just weak MDxx, or that they didn't take enough. Some others will notice it's speedier effects, shorter duration and increased urge to redose and figure out that something is not right with it. And, of course, a rather large amount of people will just keep popping capsules of the shit until they're so twacked out that any differences don't matter to them anyways :p



before I had a test kit (way back when), I got my hands on some "molly" that I was ASSURED was MDMA. I was quite confident it was methylone however, and after trying it there was little doubt. There is a very noticeable difference in the compassion and empathy. I saved a small amount of that crystal and tested it months later and it came back positive for methylone. So, those more in the know who know what to look for aren't likely to be fooled at all.. but those who just want to get high on ANYTHING and don't give a second though to what kind of high they are actually on are much more likely to be fooled.
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
how easy/hard is it actually to distuingish between MDMA and bk-MDMA in a blind test? apart from the shorter action of methylone, how large are the qualitative differences?
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Significant. Executive summary: methylone is not hugely "psychedelic" in a classic sense. MDMA *is* in some ways.

Methylone is a monoamine releaser with very similar characteristics to MDMA in that regard. So the *physical* rolling effects will be rather similar. However, I do not believe that methylone is much of a 5-HT agonist at all (maybe weakly). It acts more on dopamine. So it's more speedy, there's no lovey-dovey feelings, the thought patterns aren't as psychedelic, etc.

6-APB is frankly much closer because, being a better 5-HT agonist, it hits the psychedelic marks (although not the lovey-dovey stuff as much, it's more "trippier", but it sure is a closer match).
 
^ The way I always understood it was that the dopamine/norepinephrine release of methylone was nearly the same as MDMA's, but it had 1/3 the potency at the serotonin receptors which caused it to seem much more "speedy". Otherwise, that seems like a great explanation to me. That's really what it is, MDMA without all the magic
 
thank you a lot for your insightful answers!

so does it make sense to say that methylone is somewhere in between MDMA and "pure stimulants" like amphetamine? because that is what it sounds to me from your explanations.

Folley said:
Some others will notice it's speedier effects, shorter duration and increased urge to redose and figure out that something is not right with it. And, of course, a rather large amount of people will just keep popping capsules of the shit until they're so twacked out that any differences don't matter to them anyways :p
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wow, you seem to really hate methylone. so you cannot see any useful purposes for this compound at all?

because in many of the reports I have read yet, people said something like: "if you are searching for an MDMA replacement, you will be dissapointed, but if one respects it as a drug of its own rights, there are situations where it is useful".

Folley said:
before I had a test kit (way back when), I got my hands on some "molly" that I was ASSURED was MDMA. I was quite confident it was methylone however, and after trying it there was little doubt. There is a very noticeable difference in the compassion and empathy.
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just to clarify: do I understand you correctly that back then, you were already experienced with MDMA, but had never tried methylone yet? and then after ingestion, you noticed that this cannot be MDMA, and then linked the effects you noticed to reports on methylone?

Folley, btw, have you tried 6-APB or one of the similar benzofuran entactogens?
 
You can do a gram of methylone and still not get any empathogenic effects. Sure, it's better than nothing, but at high doses it becomes quite jittery, and it doesn't last long. On a scale of one to ten, I would give methylone a 3 and MDMA a 10. And I have tried a benzofury pellet, but I think it was bunk. Later on, I tried 5-MABP and got weird effects. Not a good substitute for MDMA IMO.

One thing methylone has going for it is that it is way cheaper than MDMA, but that will change as other countries finally make it illegal--which I am looking forward to.
 
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I don't dislike methylone, but I HATE fake "molly". If it's sold as what it is that is one thing, but I'd be pissed these days if I shelled out money for good MDMA and got stuck with methylone.


I actually took it for my last roll, but ended up going way overboard trying to hit a peak.. just didn't happen. The drug simply doesn't work like that. If you're only looking for a light mood lift or some physical stimulation without all the other drama it can be great though.



and, no. I suspected it was methylone from the beginning, it had that RC look to it. He swore up and down though and I figured that if it was BK that it was better than nothing.. so, against my better judgement and all common sense I took it. The effects were what I would have expected from methylone, and as I said later tests confirmed it.
 
Sucks... you'd be surprised how many dealers don't know shit about the drugs they sell. I've tested powder before dealers were claiming was mdma in their faces and told them straight up its methylone (bath salts) and they look at me like I'm crazy. Some even have the audacity to tell me I'm disrespectful! And that's 90 percent of the people I used to have to deal with. Test everything don't take no one's word for it.
 
yea it was a buzzkill when it turned yellow. Thanks for the reply! i think this is a good quote for this thread - "if you want to do something right do it yourself" haha
 
haha I was born a year or two before tupac got shot, I'm fresh.. still original though ;)



you can't even trust a yellow marquis these days though, too many random cathinones these days. I'd say the entire rainbow (yellow marquis, red mecke and blue simons) is really need to identify methylone. Even then, a common thing in the US is methylone and meth mixed and if the dose if low enough the meth reaction would blend right in.. moral of the story? Don't take fake molly, who knows what the FUCKS been done to it along the way.. even good MDMA can be sketchy if you don't trust who your buying from. If your surrounded in a sea of methylone take the dealers cue and buy a few grams for 1/10th the price


the more you fund the fake shit, the less incentive they have to get real stuff.
 
I'm in the UK and usually been lucky, but my guy has disappeared to tried a new contact, bought 2G of what should have been MDMA, tested, straight to yellow! Real buzz killer, so shall see what he says, only problem is I've run out of marquis kits again and planned to take it this weekend
 
pink rocks galore - NEED TEST IN RENO!

Livinginthealps said:
I very rarely choose to eat MDMA these days. But, my favorite MDMA ever was clear pink hued crystals. They were large chunks of crystal at the time and originated in the north west.Tested clean (reagent and gc/ms) and was a favorite of mine for a long time some years ago. I still see MDMA occasionally through friends who use it and i have seen it in more recent years (last year once). Sucks those didn't test clean. Do you have a picture of it? I am really curious to see, how the pink hued methylone, compares to the pink hued MDMA in looks.
I have not seen methylone in person. But, after reading your post I came across a picture of mixed hued methylone crystals that some had a pink hue. It was somewhat similar in color but, the MDMA was pretty clear vs. the methylone was pretty hazy and darker. maybe had more of an unnatural pink hue as well. .
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i'm leaving for the desert tomorrow with a glorious lot of pink rocks to share but test kit won't arrive in time....
can i find reagents like these in/around RENO, NV?

my pink rocks were enormous - i was SO SAD to crush them to fit in caps - this seemed to be the safest way to transport from NYC for dist. in BRC'.
pink rocks looked like this but bigger...

i hope i can find a test today.... <3
 
^ There are a number of other substances that will rock up exactly like that. It's very rare to see clandestine MDMA of that quality but the legal labs who make these RCs spend much more time trying to make it look like the good stuff.

There's no saying what you have without testing, and unfortunately you probably will not be able to find a tester anywhere but online. Sometimes people sell them at festys, so be on the look out before you drop.




Right now I would treat it as an unidentified chemical and certainly wouldn't consume myself until you can verify it beforehand
 
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Hello to all my fellow psychonauts!

This whole M1 ordeal has definitely screwed up the game. Its a shame all the trouble we have to go through to acquire happy partying.

I am from Vancouver Canada, and it seems like our mdma supply has nearly vanished to m1... Its pretty depressing...
Anyways I've been looking around and cannot seem to find anywhere that will ship test kits within Canada, or international to Canada.

Dancesafe currently is having problems with customs, and they suggested checking out Toronto's TRIP.ca website, but I've heard from a few ppl from who say they emailed trips.ca, only to wait months with no reply.
Amazon.com has marquis tests, but I am worried they will have equal trouble sending chemicals through customs (amazon.ca does not supply test kits, only for U$A.

Called one friend who owns a smoke shop, but he says it's unlikely ill find this type of test kit at headshops.
Anyone in Canada know how to pick these up without troubles at the border.
I could buy from the states and risk having it stopped at the border, but I dont really want to draw any extra attention to myself if i can help it.
I might get a friend to order from the states and deliver to their place so to avoid problems with the coppers, but I would prefer to order domestic to ensure safe delivery.

On a side note, who else is from the cold north LOL....anyone else in Canada got updates on their scene?
I had a kills dealer for M last year, he always had unbelievable product for the right price..in fact he was the only dealer I've ever met that treated me like family and understood proper customer service.. However, it was super unfortunate to find out buddy had been killed in a motorcycle accident in in the fall, and since it seems like the M game hasn't been the same since!
We both migrated from Ontario for BC BUD in van city, i think thats why we got along so well.
Now a days when i go looking for good molly, i just deal with a bunch of young punks
 
^^^^^ Check out eztest.com, they ship worldwide and because they ship small vials with chemicals in a gel form instead of a liquid they say they have no problem with customs anywhere in the world. From what I hear they are very reputable (A LOT of reports on www.pillreports.com use this test and A LOT of people I know used these too), I just ordered one today! Only drawback is every box ships with 10 tests and they are single use only, so if you want to test a lot you'll have to buy a few boxes... Their "ecstasy test" is a marquis test and their "ketamine test" is a mandelin test (which can detect PMA, next to MDMA, but not methylone like the marquis)

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Do you ship to…?
Yes! We can ship anywhere on the planet. EZ Test it self does not contain any controlled substances and cannot be deemed hazmat because most of our reagents are formed into a gel-like substance which allows us to ship it without any problems.

Depending on your position on the planet it can take from 2 to 9 business days for a parcel to arrive. All our orders are shipped with a track and trace option which enables you to follow the parcel during transit.
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BlueBull said:
^^^^^ Check out eztest.com, they ship worldwide and because they ship small vials with chemicals in a gel form instead of a liquid they say they have no problem with customs anywhere in the world. From what I hear they are very reputable (A LOT of reports on www.pillreports.com use this test and A LOT of people I know used these too), I just ordered one today! Only drawback is every box ships with 10 tests and they are single use only, so if you want to test a lot you'll have to buy a few boxes... Their "ecstasy test" is a marquis test and their "ketamine test" is a mandelin test (which can detect PMA, next to MDMA, but not methylone like the marquis)

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Hey thanks bluebull, I totally forgot about that website.

I remember reading somewhere not to order from eztest, but I never inquired about what is wrong with their service.
i will have to take your word for it, since i really have no other options right now lol. Thanks forr your advice, i will probably get a friend to order a 10 pack for me on Monday, and will let you know how it goes fo sho.
 
^ They're just expensive. Honestly their kits are probably better as far as reliability and shelf life goes, but I find it harder to read a reaction in those tubes than in a puddle on a plate. It much more concentrated so a small reaction from an adulterant could get covered up.


There's absolutely nothing wrong with them, but if you plan on testing a lot of different substances it can get pricey quick. With the reagent bottles I have enough for me and all my friends so I can keep everyone safe
 
Yea I was kind of hoping to get the bottle too, not to save all my friends, but just because I feel like ecstasy is a part of my life, so a test kit is a tool I should make use of for a lifetime..
However, I've been rolling for eight years now, and its just recently because of all this frustration with fake molly that I have been more concerned with what I purchase.

Back in Ontario I would find M or pressed pills (it was a lot more difficult back there to find in Windsor) and wouldn't even consider if it was adultered, because my roll was more or less always smooth and consistent.
But since moving to Vancouver, its a whole different ball game. EVERYONE has Molly, but does that really mean anything when molly is just some brown or white powder.
I even remember going to get a ball last year and buddy gave me some brown solid chunks that looked like it came off a chocolate bar..smelled like licorice and had chemical taste (this stuff was crazy bitter to the point that it almost felt like it burned the tongue slightly)... And it got me wired but I could tell the high just wasnt right.......i know, fucked up!
Anyway that was my turning point, I've been more involved in learning about the chemicals and other mdma imposters lol...
I heard new Zealand was passing a new law to allow chemicals to be sold their legally as long as it is from a legit business who knows their shizzzit...kind of like selling cigarettes at a store, or pot from a dispensary...
I'm sure things will show progress there, and then hopefully many other countries will join them if it proves to be a beneficial idea
 
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