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Tips on achieving a mystical experience (psilocybin)

I'd love to pick up some aya (never tried any sort of dmt, but I desperately want to), but I'm not sure where to find it in amsterdam, the smartshops dont sell it because it's illegal and I don't know many people here (just moved here a couple months ago).

So you dont have a problem with the vondelpark being public? I mean it's big enough and there's enough nooks and crannies that I could probably find a good place that is secluded and quiet, but I'm just terrified that someone will walk by and that will completely fuck with me.

I remember my mom came into my room once when I was tripping really hard on truffles, I managed to pull it together enough to give her a couple coherent words and present myself as sober, but it really messed up my trip, took me a while to get back into it.
 
Let go of your tongue, and ancestors might start talking. It may be a different language, so having a recorder could be a good idea. Letting go of the solar plexus is also good, ego-death may happen. The breathing will be very violent for a few seconds
Your ego will hate this :)
 
Forgive my ignorance, but when you are describing the ++++ state, it seems like the description you use is very similar to the descriptions that I have heard about ego death. Are ++++ and ego death one and the same?

I hear shulgin describe the ++++ state in a documentary once, he described as a state of utter bliss and control, which is interesting. what I've heard about ego death is that there is very little control involved, it's almost defined by the fact that there is a lack of control, no?

Like the term K-hole, it seems to me like the term '++++' itself has somewhat of an esoteric definition because we are talking about experiences that are for the most part ineffable.

Anyway when I describe a ++++ state I don't mean ego death nor ego inflation but rather a perfect integration of your ego and the spiritual aspect of yourself. This can cause various amazing things like feeling like you are doing and saying everything without hesitations or regret, but with your whole self. Maybe that is what Shulgin meant with control. The mind-warping thing to me remains that to gain this control, the only thing that will give it to you is letting go of the desire for it. Another thing is that I think it can be transforming. Exactly because every part of you is so aligned it is easier to weigh the most profound values of your life and your identity. Because you see it so clearly. And you are so very 'there' or 'present'.
When something like this happens, there is no question about it that it is special. Yet it feels like a native state, like this is how everyone is ultimately meant to be if they are no more and no less than themselves.
I feel like the description is extremely like that given of "non-abiding awakening". Which although beautiful (and also potentially destabilising when it ends), doesn't deserve the religulous sort of 'awe'. Now abiding awakening, that is quite rare I suppose. But non-abiding awakening is probably much more common than people realise.
On the other hand I sometimes doubt that it is as common as people sometimes mention semi-casually, especially when their report has all the hallmarks of the mystical.

Ego death on the other hand is mystical, control has also been given up but it has no more meaning because there isn't an identity "there" or "present" to convey it. To lose yourself so completely can result in far too many things to even begin to recount. But it is always easier to destroy something than to create something, isn't it? :)
Ego death is typically a sign of dissociating past the +++ mark for whatever reason. Let's just say weird stuff happens if you keep pushing. Which makes it relatively easy to approach, namely by intentional 'overdosing' on psychedelics or more responsibly by using meditation and sensory deprivation as more controllable catalysts. Overdosing is not controllable because you cannot take it back (apart from pharmaceutical intervention of course).

However ++++ is very confusingly said not to be a measure of intensity and this is key. It belongs on another scale, yet it the name suggests something else. This is probably the number one reason for the confusion.

I guess this is all very tricky because mysticism also has to do with communion with god. And people have such varying interpretations of god that it may apply all across the board. So where the term mystical applies is a hard chapter in semantics. But I just thought I'd go ahead and give you my version of it anyway.

I'd love to pick up some aya (never tried any sort of dmt, but I desperately want to), but I'm not sure where to find it in amsterdam, the smartshops dont sell it because it's illegal and I don't know many people here (just moved here a couple months ago).

So you dont have a problem with the vondelpark being public? I mean it's big enough and there's enough nooks and crannies that I could probably find a good place that is secluded and quiet, but I'm just terrified that someone will walk by and that will completely fuck with me.

A park like the Vondelpark can certainly be good for mushrooms, especially during the summer. But I would always prefer to go with friends among which at least one a fellow tripper. Having a buddy then is reassuring during the journey.
(My first mushroom trip was during the summer in a park.)
IMO being in nature - or even a park - allows for a lot of input, and the psychedelic effects turn that all into a sort of fairytale. But it can become too much, and sooner or later it is wise to vent some of that pent-up intensity and exhilaration. Being in private for a little while and having music would be good. I would watch out for an introverted retreat though: if you are not in time it can all be overwhelming and mess you up for a little while like you mention here:

I remember my mom came into my room once when I was tripping really hard on truffles, I managed to pull it together enough to give her a couple coherent words and present myself as sober, but it really messed up my trip, took me a while to get back into it.

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Which is a common and natural thing that many of us have experienced.

We have an expression in Dutch, that literally says: "to put things in a row". Figuratively speaking this means to review and put (yourself even) together again.

I mention this because a few times when something messed me up during a trip it helped me to tell myself to do this ^. And I visualised it literally: "first things first, where was I concretely?" This rational approach for me can vaporise irrational anxiety because it interrupts pointless chaos of thought and emotion that might otherwise ensue.
 
really interesting read solipsis :) I think I grasp what you're saying intellectually, but I haven't yet really encountered the experiences that we are discussing, and I think I need to have some experience with them before I can fully wrap my head around it.

Okay, you've convinced me to go to the vondelpark :D I have always felt that I'm missing out when I trip indoors, and I definitely need to have that outside psychedelic connection with nature - it's simply impossible indoors, although all the art and the big native american rug in my room are always very interesting. But when I go to the vondelpark, I'm definitely taking a friend! I need to make some friends here in Dam. I'm going to school here next year so that will help. A friend of mine just visited from the states and we had a great time with truffles in my room, but it was his first time so I went pretty light on the dosage.


Solipsis, I'm a newbie to amsterdam, and I take it from your post that you live there(?), so if you have any cool suggestions of anything related to psychedelics or places to trip or anything at all really, I'd love to hear em when you had the chance!
 
You can't expect to have a great mystical experience without researching the subject first. Learn from others. Look into the Upanishads, Buddhism, Tao, Zen, Christianity, etc.

Without any background knowledge, attempting mysticism is like attempting to fly a plane without going to aviation school.

And I cannot stress enough the value of going into each trip without expectations; like holding grains of sand, the more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.

Now this is a nice analogy. :)
 
Call me a pussy, but it still didn't feel right tonight :( I haven't been getting along with my family and I just have been feeling pretty shitty, so I didn't want to take them. When I get back in 3 weeks, I'll take them. They're all sealed up in an airtight bag so I don't think they will go bad. In the meantime, in the next 3 weeks, I'm going to be in a house on a beautiful lake so I'll have a lot of time for spiritual reflection and gathering knowledge and such :)
 
OK that's a good thing that if you're stressed out, feeling shitty, or fighting with family members that you avoid taking any drugs now. When you take them don't go in with any sort of expectations and you can even get a spiritual experience with 2.0g dried if they are good mushrooms.
 
Call me a pussy, but it still didn't feel right tonight :( I haven't been getting along with my family and I just have been feeling pretty shitty, so I didn't want to take them. When I get back in 3 weeks, I'll take them. They're all sealed up in an airtight bag so I don't think they will go bad. In the meantime, in the next 3 weeks, I'm going to be in a house on a beautiful lake so I'll have a lot of time for spiritual reflection and gathering knowledge and such :)

I think you made a wise decision. Haste makes waste, as they say.

I've always tripped in my room. I hear that psilo can be more rewarding outside, but the only nature-y place near my house that I would consider is the Vondelpark, and that's always very crowded which I don't feel comfortable tripping in when I am taking higher dosages, like what I plan to do tonight (I was originally planning to do it last night, but it didn't feel right. I wasn't excited enough and I felt all sorts of apprehensive and anxious, which I had a feeling might lead to an unrewarding trip. Hopefully I'll feel better tonight).

I usually turn the lights down low, play my trip playlist from my speakers, lie down on my bed, and relax and wait for it to kick. when I'm alone, sometimes the shadows in my room can get a little bit freaky, especially around my peak, but they've never really fucked with my head for more than a couple seconds.

A new setting is definitely a good idea now that you've got a few trips under your belt. Try only listening to music part of the time, when you feel you need it, rather than the whole way through. Go for the park, just don't take a mind-shattering dose.

tac said:
You can't expect to have a great mystical experience without researching the subject first. Learn from others. Look into the Upanishads, Buddhism, Tao, Zen, Christianity, etc.

Without any background knowledge, attempting mysticism is like attempting to fly a plane without going to aviation school.

I didn't even think of that, I guess I took foreknowledge of spiritual traditions/metaphysics, esoteric or otherwise, for granted. Good point.
 
What sets a ++++ apart in my interpretation of the definition is that it is rare and life changing.

I disagree, get the dose high enough on the right substance and a +4 doesn't have to be rare at all, I've had quite a few trips over the years (1000+mics of acid or 10+ grams of good shrooms will deliver every time imo)that were definitely +4's but none of them were life changing.
 
Define "spiritual psychedelic experience" for me, what are your expectations ?

To be honest, I guess I'm not completely sure. I would say "an informative and introspective experience", but that's already something I've had on shrooms. I guess I'm looking for something more, like I hear people discussing when they talk about their psilocybin experiences. Not necessarily complete ego death, but something that rattles my entire perception of reality and spirituality and makes me question everything about the way I perceive everything.

Sorry for that terrible explanation, haha, but it's the best one I can think of. The question you're asking is a valid one, and I guess the true answer is that I'm not completely sure, or at least I can't vocalize it, but that's the best explanation I can give.
 
^^ That's a pretty good explanation actually :)

something that rattles my entire perception of reality and spirituality and makes me question everything about the way I perceive everything.

I found both mushrooms and lsd can deliver that experience, I feel that mushrooms are actually a better way to go than acid though if you are going to push at the boundaries in that way, mushrooms do seem to round off a deep challenging trip with some healing and understanding where as lsd can leave you existentially hanging in mid air with a few large holes in the mind with no hint of resolution.
 
I see your mystical/spiritual idea is you want to take something from the trip? When your tripping just sit and reflect, look at yourself and what is going on around you. Have a deep think, it comes naturally, calm good music to go along and just drift out, some think weed helps up to you - don't advise big amounts in peak if not a big smoker for first time. I think Psilocin is better for this than LSD if you're looking to take something from it due to confusion with acid. Although LSD gives a more 'mystical' feeling.

You don't need 4 weeks away etc beforehand, be on the right mindset that day (you're always going to be a bit nervous), take it and go with it. :)
 
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