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Tips on achieving a mystical experience (psilocybin)

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hey guys



So I'm doing psilocybin truffles tonight. This is the 4th time that I will have used psilocybin. My experiences with it in the past have always been fun, and have definitely been enlightening in an introspective sense, but I don't seem to be able to achieve the intensely spiritual and mystical experiences that I hear people discussing when talking about vision plants such as truffles/shrooms.
Obviously, a part of it has to do with the dosage, that goes without saying, but I have a feeling that there are tips/shortcuts/methods to the spiritual psychedelic experience that I could utilize in order to get there.

It seems very naive to simply ask "how do I achieve a mystical experience", but I was wondering if anyone who has had mystical experiences on psychedelics (specifically psilocybin in my case, but I'm sure there are tips that cross over from different substances) has any tips to share on ways to get there?


Thanks in advance!
 
I think one important thing is to try not to have expectations - your idea of what a mystical experience should be, might be preventing you from having the mystical experience that is already happening.


It can also be helpful to take a moment before ingesting to meditate on your intent. Think about what you are trying to accomplish or learn with this experience. If your intent is simply to have a mystical experience it may help to think about what a mystical experience would mean for you, and what you would hope to gain from having one. If you like you can then ask the mushroom spirits for help with this. I like to smoke a bit of tobacco (organic additive free if possible) while doing this, as it is believed to be a carrier of intent/prayer into the spirit world. If you don't believe in spirits, setting an intention is still useful in directing the experience by focusing your mind.
 
Thanks! yeah I think that meditation beforehand is definitely a good idea. I don't really have much experience at all with meditation, but I guess I really should take some time to gather my thoughts and really have an intent of what I want, instead of just running in saying "I want a mystical experience!"

unfortunately, I don't have any tobacco on me. I hear that tobacco is also great for vivid dreams, so it's a good tool for trying to initiate a lucid dream.
 
Dosage has less to do with it in my experience...more about set (mental state) and setting. Lower your expectations (as someone else said), pray or meditate, and listen to some 'Iboga Music' (search you tube for 'morninggloryseed, iboga music' or song 4 off 'Rushes' by The Fireman. If it is your time for the mystical, this will do it.
 
I've got some Ishq, Elve, and Inlakesh (didgerido) which is nice to trip to. Can you recommend any albums or anything of iboga music to download? I'll dig into it. Thanks!
 
Use firefox, download 'video downloader' and you can grab em from youtube that way. Didn't youtube used to let you download MP3s of their videos? I thought they did before.
 
Notice (right now) how some of your muscles are uselessly contracted, and relax them.

Now notice how your mind is quite in the same way often uselessly contracted, and relax it.

Then again

And again

and so on...
 
Awesome comment sir. Never noted you here before I suspect I shall enjoy more posts from you.

OP...let me know what youtube-MP3 thingee you use, I've been getting MP3 though a less direct method (download the FLV then ---> MP3) so that will save me time for sure.


mozaik0000 said:
Notice (right now) how some of your muscles are uselessly contracted, and relax them.

Now notice how your mind is quite in the same way often uselessly contracted, and relax it.

Then again

And again

and so on...
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Definitely meditate, on a reasonably potent psychedelic for me that is sooner or later a ticket to a mystical experience (but not necessarily a ++++ experience! people are always getting those mixed up).
 
What sets a ++++ apart in my interpretation of the definition is that it is rare and life changing. And that it is very hard to induce one because it is extremely intertwined with your mindset and it is IMO usually something that you are ready for at a particular moment because you live/grow towards it. (I think Dabrowski has great ideas about the phases in ones developent.)
Self-actualisation is not necessarily mystical or enlightened. I think it is often more like a moment of clarity. As by-example the Buddhist Adyashanti describes enlightenment not as a mystical and altered state of consciousness but an especially non-altered state of consciousness (our usual state normally altered naturally or unnaturally). He is the one that made me realize (or better said believe since it is I guess a perspective rather than truth) that most people are mixing these up, and I think that this is the case with ++++ states as well. The ++++ thread embodies that dissonance if you ask me.

A mystical experience is transcendental but does not need to be transformational. Although it is special when compared to non-mystical states of consciousness, I find that is relatively easy to induce such states. Although an ego death is much more easy to induce than samadhi / ecstasy. Shulgin mentions samadhi in this context and I believe that it may be more commonly experienced when someone has an experience that is transcendental as well as transformational (for example the very first time usually is, that may almost be self-evident).
An extremely deep realisation that actually changes key values in your life: priorities or the Maslovian 'mission' of your life or that consolidates them ("for everything is perfect right as it is now"), is bound to be accompanied with catharsis (much less is required for that, isn't it?).
I often find that a mystical state is too abstract to integrate or even remember when you come down. So if it isn't your first time, revisiting mystical hyperspace can be extreme (like a DMT trip can) but it is not a guarantee for any long-term changes by any means.

I wonder if you would agree or if you have different feelings about putting these states into perspective, MGS. :)

By the way, something else that blew my mind was the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" which is a cult classic. TruffulaTree, if you like reading maybe read that before your trip and reflect on it during?
I find that having your mind blown, by an idea or by the pure beauty of something you see or hear, can cause a psycholysis that makes way for mystical experiences. Probably because of the "experience of ultimate reality" aspect of it rather than any religious aspect.
 
^ I agree too.

Iv always received it this way....
Eventually when you become curious about knowing; and you start asking, reading, & searching for it. it will and always shows up in your.. It is that ah hah moment that comes form new insights that come to you.... from searching..

that ah hah moment when you received another secret from the universe.....
Everyone is different! when you become comfortable in your skin it will show up, it will show up in your life .... And listening to Entheogenic always helps... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKUHMFd99c

Really I don't think its always the Dose you take, but how much love you have in your heart as well as faith and belief and the path you walk that triggers that mystical experience too....
Namaste
 
Excellent post. Agree 100%

Solipsis said:
What sets a ++++ apart in my interpretation of the definition is that it is rare and life changing. And that it is very hard to induce one because it is extremely intertwined with your mindset and it is IMO usually something that you are ready for at a particular moment because you live/grow towards it. (I think Dabrowski has great ideas about the phases in ones developent.)
Self-actualisation is not necessarily mystical or enlightened. I think it is often more like a moment of clarity. As by-example the Buddhist Adyashanti describes enlightenment not as a mystical and altered state of consciousness but an especially non-altered state of consciousness (our usual state normally altered naturally or unnaturally). He is the one that made me realize (or better said believe since it is I guess a perspective rather than truth) that most people are mixing these up, and I think that this is the case with ++++ states as well. The ++++ thread embodies that dissonance if you ask me.

A mystical experience is transcendental but does not need to be transformational. Although it is special when compared to non-mystical states of consciousness, I find that is relatively easy to induce such states. Although an ego death is much more easy to induce than samadhi / ecstasy. Shulgin mentions samadhi in this context and I believe that it may be more commonly experienced when someone has an experience that is transcendental as well as transformational (for example the very first time usually is, that may almost be self-evident).
An extremely deep realisation that actually changes key values in your life: priorities or the Maslovian 'mission' of your life or that consolidates them ("for everything is perfect right as it is now"), is bound to be accompanied with catharsis (much less is required for that, isn't it?).
I often find that a mystical state is too abstract to integrate or even remember when you come down. So if it isn't your first time, revisiting mystical hyperspace can be extreme (like a DMT trip can) but it is not a guarantee for any long-term changes by any means.

I wonder if you would agree or if you have different feelings about putting these states into perspective, MGS. :)

By the way, something else that blew my mind was the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" which is a cult classic. TruffulaTree, if you like reading maybe read that before your trip and reflect on it during?
I find that having your mind blown, by an idea or by the pure beauty of something you see or hear, can cause a psycholysis that makes way for mystical experiences. Probably because of the "experience of ultimate reality" aspect of it rather than any religious aspect.
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tips/shortcuts/methods to the spiritual psychedelic experience
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Sorry, no shortcuts. An adjunct spiritual practice such as meditation should be helpful, but it's not something you can reliably bring about, unless you can. And I cannot stress enough the value of going into each trip without expectations; like holding grains of sand, the more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.

Where do you trip, what do you do while tripping? Maybe folks can suggest some new things for you to try.
 
Solipsis said:
What sets a ++++ apart in my interpretation of the definition is that it is rare and life changing. And that it is very hard to induce one because it is extremely intertwined with your mindset and it is IMO usually something that you are ready for at a particular moment because you live/grow towards it. (I think Dabrowski has great ideas about the phases in ones developent.)
Self-actualisation is not necessarily mystical or enlightened. I think it is often more like a moment of clarity. As by-example the Buddhist Adyashanti describes enlightenment not as a mystical and altered state of consciousness but an especially non-altered state of consciousness (our usual state normally altered naturally or unnaturally). He is the one that made me realize (or better said believe since it is I guess a perspective rather than truth) that most people are mixing these up, and I think that this is the case with ++++ states as well. The ++++ thread embodies that dissonance if you ask me.

A mystical experience is transcendental but does not need to be transformational. Although it is special when compared to non-mystical states of consciousness, I find that is relatively easy to induce such states. Although an ego death is much more easy to induce than samadhi / ecstasy. Shulgin mentions samadhi in this context and I believe that it may be more commonly experienced when someone has an experience that is transcendental as well as transformational (for example the very first time usually is, that may almost be self-evident).
An extremely deep realisation that actually changes key values in your life: priorities or the Maslovian 'mission' of your life or that consolidates them ("for everything is perfect right as it is now"), is bound to be accompanied with catharsis (much less is required for that, isn't it?).
I often find that a mystical state is too abstract to integrate or even remember when you come down. So if it isn't your first time, revisiting mystical hyperspace can be extreme (like a DMT trip can) but it is not a guarantee for any long-term changes by any means.

I wonder if you would agree or if you have different feelings about putting these states into perspective, MGS. :)

By the way, something else that blew my mind was the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" which is a cult classic. TruffulaTree, if you like reading maybe read that before your trip and reflect on it during?
I find that having your mind blown, by an idea or by the pure beauty of something you see or hear, can cause a psycholysis that makes way for mystical experiences. Probably because of the "experience of ultimate reality" aspect of it rather than any religious aspect.
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wow, thank you so much :) I just ordered that book on amazon after reading a bit about it, cheers for the suggestion.

Forgive my ignorance, but when you are describing the ++++ state, it seems like the description you use is very similar to the descriptions that I have heard about ego death. Are ++++ and ego death one and the same?

I hear shulgin describe the ++++ state in a documentary once, he described as a state of utter bliss and control, which is interesting. what I've heard about ego death is that there is very little control involved, it's almost defined by the fact that there is a lack of control, no?
 
Never Knows Best said:
Sorry, no shortcuts. An adjunct spiritual practice such as meditation should be helpful, but it's not something you can reliably bring about, unless you can. And I cannot stress enough the value of going into each trip without expectations; like holding grains of sand, the more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.

Where do you trip, what do you do while tripping? Maybe folks can suggest some new things for you to try.
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Right, I understand that, I guess when I used the word "shortcuts", I meant it as in "ways to maximise my experience on psilocybin"

I've always tripped in my room. I hear that psilo can be more rewarding outside, but the only nature-y place near my house that I would consider is the Vondelpark, and that's always very crowded which I don't feel comfortable tripping in when I am taking higher dosages, like what I plan to do tonight (I was originally planning to do it last night, but it didn't feel right. I wasn't excited enough and I felt all sorts of apprehensive and anxious, which I had a feeling might lead to an unrewarding trip. Hopefully I'll feel better tonight).

I usually turn the lights down low, play my trip playlist from my speakers, lie down on my bed, and relax and wait for it to kick. when I'm alone, sometimes the shadows in my room can get a little bit freaky, especially around my peak, but they've never really fucked with my head for more than a couple seconds.
 
Dude Vondelpark is perfect for tripping. If I had money I would hop on plane buy truffles and go there. Aya has got a good track record of thousands of years of inducing mystical experiences and people in Amsterdam make it right. In fact I would rather do that than go to jungle and buy the mystical experience package deal. Mystical experiences I have all the time doesn't matter where I trip. I find LSD more mystical than mushrooms. It is the shortcut IMO.
 
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