Was wondering if anyone else experianced this before on *opiates*

[Unkewl]

Has anyone ever experienced this before, and bare with me its kind of weird I guess lol. On opiates , don't remember what triggered it, but I had a panic attack once or twice right around the the hour mark of when my high usually starts. Instead of a normal opiate high I would always end up with an extreme rush instead. After about 5-10 minuets boom I would be able to stop the panic attack and slow my heart rate, then the rush. Almost as if the panic attack had ended up speeding the drug into my blood stream much faster saturating my blood with the opiate. Anyone else experience this ?

Btw oral route.

I must say was an odd experience, end up feeling shitty and panicked for about 10 mins but then boom, best opiate high ever.

 

[scottdot]

Nope, can't say I have. Sounds awful though. Were you panicked about taking the opiates or what the high would be like or a new dose?

 

[Tommyboy]

I have but it's from worrying about overdosing if I'm feeling too high.

 

[blight12]

I would get an intense speedy stim type rush for about 3 minutes after a nasal dose with loud rushing in the ears and an anxious feeling, but it would pass quick. Prolonged anxiety seems odd for this drug though.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

You are slightly overdosing... LOL

 

[hebb22]

No, but abusing opiates has given me anxiety. I rarely use anymore. Since ceasing I frequently experience tightness in my chest and an impending feeling of death. God, such a love and hate relationship with opiates...

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

No, but abusing opiates has given me anxiety. I rarely use anymore. Since ceasing I frequently experience tightness in my chest and an impending feeling of death. God, such a love and hate relationship with opiates...

You overdosed too bro...

All these are classic symptoms of angst in slightly overdosing.

 

[Unkewl]

Lol, there was no chance of overdose, but it actually could have been psvt instead or panic attack. I consider them the same thing >.>. Don't care what doctors say about it, if the same things can stop the attack , than its the same dam thing. Gota love how psych docs and regular docs feel the need to give different names to things that are pretty much the same. And yes I know that factually they are considered different but no one has ever proven they really are. Just because they base panic attack on adrenal release and psvt on to much electrical activity in the heart who's to really say that the adrenal release doesn't cause the increased electrical activity . Either way I made both conditions my bitch and no longer worry about either because I can stop either attack easily within 5 mins. But back to the topic , it was just one of those strange as hell experiences that you cant really ask about to your primary care doc if your someone like me . Since recreational use of drugs is stigmatized so bad I refuse to let anyone record any type of use besides marijuana in any official capacity. So figured I'd ask here, thanks for the discussion. Btw overdosing on opiates would cause the opposite psych jay >.>. And there's no such thing as slightly overdosing, you either overdose or your don't. And overdosing isn't something that is a worry to me ever because I'm overprotective in that area. Thx again for the input all.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Btw overdosing on opiates would cause the opposite psych jay >.>. And there's no such thing as slightly overdosing, you either overdose or your don't.

This is a myth. There are different types of overdosing. You can have borderline episodes. Just because you are sedated doesn’t mean you can’t panic. You can have paradoxical (the opposite) reactions to drugs.

Your body does warn you when you are borderline too high. You panic because you can’t breath. You jerk awake because you are passing out. It’s that intermediate stage in between nodding and dying.

It stops feeling good. Your adrenaline can cut right though all that shit. That would be the point where it would suck ass to be alone.

You have a thin line of fighting sedation... If you lose, you lose.

Just be happy you didn’t take a higher dose.

 

[morphonorconic]

Too high a dose of opiates= overdose.

Also, if it was a semi synthetic [thebaine derivative] opioid like hydro/oxycodone, or synthetic like meperidine or fentanyl, that might account for certain adverse symptoms. These and several other opioids have a mechanism of action that extends beyond activation of mu receptor sites, affecting transport and reuptake of serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine, which can result in myriad effects.

But regardless, it sounds like that stuff really got a hold of you. You took too much man. Too much. You took too much.

 

[RTrain]

Of course there are varying levels of overdose. Even when its a life or death medical emergency. Thats why some people need 1 mg of naloxone to save their lives and other needs 5 mg, assuming = tolerances that it. And some people just go out but are responsive to pain and are breathing 4 breaths a minutes, while others go into full respiratory arrest.

To OP, what opiates are you using when this happens? It could be a response to a histamine reaction causing your body to produce a ton of epinephrine.

 

[Unkewl]

It was 60 mg er morphine, that's one reason why I know I was not overdosing lol. And I don't like anything that makes me tired, I'm the other type of opiate user that dislikes the effect (nod) that most look for. Either way to the others just take my dam word for it , not an overdose lol. I also like morphine over all other opiates which is counter to most :/. I was in a college study few years back, morphine has almost the exact same amount of cns stimulation as it does cns depression for me. Was told its just one of those rare body chem things. Anyways on topic I just figure that the increased heart rate might have pumped it threw my body faster when it reached peak blood levels maybe. Least that's the only thing I can think of, and no the speed up heart was not an effect of the opiates, I had started having panic attacks way before ever trying opiates. But like I said I've had my panic attack and psvt under control for least 2 years now thankfully, so haven't experienced it since.

Side note: 60mg er morphine is my doc, no more no less. I don't take other opiates because of the reaction they give me, oxycodone and all the rest don't give me a pleasurable high and instead just make me irritable and annoyed.

And before anyone complains or grips just look it up opiates have both cns stimulant and depressing effects, granted in 90% of the population its cns stimulant effect is probably around 90% depression 10% stimulation. Just so happens for me its not :/ but that's also the only reason I like them ^_^. I don't get people liking the "nod" I would hate that feeling, and I'm not badmouthing anyone for liking that, its just I don't. Same goes for other drugs like Xanax, to me it has 0% recreational value.

And I get that there are varying levels of overdose , but for me the line is drawn at harmful effects. If there are no harmful effects like RTrain stated resp depression , or liver damage etc then there is no overdose. That's just how I view it however.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Yep especially in the beginning, throwing weed in the mix certainly didn't help. lol

 

[Unkewl]

I love my weed ^_^ but cant mix it with opiates unfortunately. For me it kills my opiate high right off.

Same for other combos as well, basically when I do morphine that's it, any mix kills my opiate high off .

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I don't even know what an opiate high is (kratom excluded) without weed. I was a pothead when I first tried hydrocodone so I found the synergy between the two amazing.

 

[Unkewl]

Lucky Wish they had nice synergy for me, I would love it because I am the same ^_^ love the ganja. Compared to opiates, I would go with , I love weed but only like opiates. Now if opiates had no physical withdrawal after extended use then opiates would be god to me and I would still just love weed ^_^. I've only had to endure opiate withdrawal once thankfully, and that was only because I had no clue at the time that opiates caused physical dependence. That was long while ago though ^_^ back when I was an opiate noob hehe. Ever since that first time experiencing withdrawal I always stick to a strict regime when recreationally using morphine. For about 8 years now I've used them pretty consistently same dose and regime with the same amount of time not using them to keep from having to go threw that again. They still give me the same effect as the first time and yep, I know how lucky I am if you want to put it that way ^_^. Key is to never give in to cravings heh, and I have access to them round the clock so yep, I know how lucky .

Edit: Never tried kratom, thought about grabbing some a few times to give it a try with weed but never ended up trying it.