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Ok so, I'm trying to see if my time with the drug has run its course or not. I have done mdma in its various forms, probably over 30 times or so over the last 10 years. I have never gone on any crazy binges. The most I've done is back to back days at music festivals, but then I wouldn't do it again for months, if not a whole year. That's an abbreviated background.

The last few times that I have done mdma (has been only pure mdma crystals/powder in recent years), I haven't had the same level of experience I'm accustomed to. Don't get me wrong, it's still fun, but I don't have that "love everything" feeling where I'm filled with infinite connection to every living being. It's not a problem with the supplies I'm using, because my party partners are experiencing the full effects. I'm 220 lbs and I generally take about 150mg to start and then another 100mg 2 hours later. I'm not on any other drugs that would affect the roll. I do the right things: space out my rolls a minimum of 2 months or more, take no more than universally recommended dosage, preload and postload with the proper vitamins, make sure to test my supplies before I use them, etc.

I'm wondering if I should start going above generally recommended dosages and start out in the 200-300mg range, or is the magic just gone and I need to accept it?

Your input is greatly appreciated! Much love!
 
It sounds like you are doing everything right, but maybe it is because you know what to expect and are used to the feelings again? Ill compare it to other adulterants, they'll hit you but you know what to expect; you won't get baked or be pinging as hard as you were than compared to when you first started.

Shame because I think I'm getting the same now, but I've just started taking a nice big break myself, just not keen on the wait.
 
rollface said:
Ok so, I'm trying to see if my time with the drug has run its course or not. I have done mdma in its various forms, probably over 30 times or so over the last 10 years. I have never gone on any crazy binges. The most I've done is back to back days at music festivals, but then I wouldn't do it again for months, if not a whole year. That's an abbreviated background.

The last few times that I have done mdma (has been only pure mdma crystals/powder in recent years), I haven't had the same level of experience I'm accustomed to. Don't get me wrong, it's still fun, but I don't have that "love everything" feeling where I'm filled with infinite connection to every living being. It's not a problem with the supplies I'm using, because my party partners are experiencing the full effects. I'm 220 lbs and I generally take about 150mg to start and then another 100mg 2 hours later. I'm not on any other drugs that would affect the roll. I do the right things: space out my rolls a minimum of 2 months or more, take no more than universally recommended dosage, preload and postload with the proper vitamins, make sure to test my supplies before I use them, etc.

I'm wondering if I should start going above generally recommended dosages and start out in the 200-300mg range, or is the magic just gone and I need to accept it?

Your input is greatly appreciated! Much love!
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If you're not testing it personally there's no way you can dismiss the product. Buy a test kit, disregard whatever your friends experience - this is not an indicator of MDMA - and test it yourself. If it still comes back as pure MDMA then perhaps it is cut down.
 
Generally that could be enough time to get accustomed to the effects.
Me since I lost the magic two years ago I've only had two powerful rolls like I used to, and one required a half g of MDMA and two points of methylone
 
I test everything I take. It doesn't seem like my products are bad because my companions are getting the typical effects on lower doses than I'm taking.
 
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Generally that could be enough time to get accustomed to the effects.
Me since I lost the magic two years ago I've only had two powerful rolls like I used to, and one required a half g of MDMA and two points of methylone
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So what you're saying is what I had suspected, I need to start taking higher doses.
 
Maybe the novelty of using MDMA has passed for you, who knows?
You test your product, it comes back as mdma, but even if it looks pure and give good test results, nobody can tell you the purity of the product.

Why not up the dose to 200mg? Or even 220mg on first drop? You're a big guy, 220lbs. I am 140lbs and I've done 200mg the first drop myself even.

Anyway if you really are sure your product is clean and the real deal then you should quit. There is no reason to do mdma and not get the full effects, at least in my opinion...
I've had supposedly clean MDMA and I always got that "WOW didnt know i could feel this good" feeling. It is strange you don't get the full effects when you take proper brakes..
30 times is many, but alot of rollers have rolled more than 100 times. Maybe "the magic" disappears for some people and not for others?
It is what you make of it, is my opinion.
 
rollface said:
So what you're saying is what I had suspected, I need to start taking higher doses.
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Not necessarily, somince the stimulant properties are mainly mediated through dopamine I believe, which has a much quicker rebound rate, your crash will be much harder and it will still be much harder on your body regardless of tolerance.

EDIT: I re read it and realized my point is a little srs to understand, what I'm basically saying is that just because the magic is diminishing, doesn't mean you're building a permanent tolerance to the drugs stimulant effects, so doubling your dose may bring the good feelings back, it's still going to stimulate your body twice as much
 
It does sound like you are having some of the initial signs of losing the magic. In my opinion and from my own experience, MDMA has a finite shelf life even for the cautious user. Once the magic is gone, chasing it is illusory - especially for long-term moderate users who are probably dealing more with loss of novelty and familiarity with the experience than with receptor down regulation. I have had a relationship with MDMA for 14 years, and perhaps the last 7 were spent chasing the magic. I gradually increased my dosage to heroic levels, but all that really happened was that the bad side effects got worse and worse over time. The last three years I reduced my usage to around once a year, but the last two times were disappointing. My actual tolerance had gone way down so that one pill made me super high, but all I experienced was a body high and none of the euphoria, love and empathy. It was really disappointing and surprisingly enough I found it to be boring and just wanted it to be over. It's taken years for me to accept that the MDMA experience is probably gone forever. Maybe a break of many years would bring back the magic, but I've matured and life has moved on. These days I don't really even experience any desire for the drug, although there was a time when I swore that it would be a part of my life forever.
 
Personally i don't believe in the idea of "getting used to the effect" or " the novelty wearing off" type reasoning being a likely cause for real MDMA magic loss.

It does seem to make sense and be logical when considering this does happen in normal life with many activities, however after more then 9 years using coke and meth (after stopping MDMA usage), which are not near as good as MDMA, there was no similar effect at all whatsoever in the reduction of the enjoyment of the experience directly.

Yes, I did feel the normal human sensation of getting used to the sensation and even getting bored with it but its very easy to identify as a personal opinion about the experience as opposed to a direct loss of the euphoria like with the MDMA situation, something separate from the experience itself losing its effect, like with the MDMA issue. They are obviously hugely different situations imo.
 
vancbc said:
It does sound like you are having some of the initial signs of losing the magic. In my opinion and from my own experience, MDMA has a finite shelf life even for the cautious user. Once the magic is gone, chasing it is illusory - especially for long-term moderate users who are probably dealing more with loss of novelty and familiarity with the experience than with receptor down regulation. I have had a relationship with MDMA for 14 years, and perhaps the last 7 were spent chasing the magic. I gradually increased my dosage to heroic levels, but all that really happened was that the bad side effects got worse and worse over time. The last three years I reduced my usage to around once a year, but the last two times were disappointing. My actual tolerance had gone way down so that one pill made me super high, but all I experienced was a body high and none of the euphoria, love and empathy. It was really disappointing and surprisingly enough I found it to be boring and just wanted it to be over. It's taken years for me to accept that the MDMA experience is probably gone forever. Maybe a break of many years would bring back the magic, but I've matured and life has moved on. These days I don't really even experience any desire for the drug, although there was a time when I swore that it would be a part of my life forever.
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This sounds exactly like what I am going through. Though my "chase" has only lasted 8 months/3 uses this is where I am exactly!
 
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