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Best way to enjoy heroin while avoiding withdrawal?

firahs75

firahs75

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Finally on the verge of being free of a five year sub regimen (with weekend sub vacations) for oxy and dope. Gone cold turkey too many times to count. I never want to experience the hell of physical addiction to opiates again. So my question is how to best enjoy dope while avoiding physical addiction (assuming I can control my usage). I like to take a shot every 4-6 hours. I have heard that the threshold for physical addiction is 3 days continuous usage. So what would be best to avoid physical withdrawal, 3 days on, 1 day off; 1 day on 1 day off etc? Would love to hear others experience. Thanks!

Also, no preaching please. I don't want to live an opiate free life. I just want to manage it as best as possible to avoid W/D's.
 
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firahs75 said:
Finally on the verge of being free of a five year sub regimen (with weekend sub vacations) for oxy and dope. Gone cold turkey too many times to count. I never want to experience the hell of physical addiction to opiates again. So my question is how to best enjoy dope while avoiding physical addiction (assuming I can control my usage). I like to take a shot every 4-6 hours. I have heard that the threshold for physical addiction is 3 days continuous usage. So what would be best to avoid physical withdrawal, 3 days on, 1 day off; 1 day on 1 day off etc? Would love to hear others experience. Thanks!
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you are planning on shooting dope every 4-6 hours.
It's going to be impossible for you to do some kind of 3 days on 1 day off schedule.
 
If you already had a habit there is no way you will be able to use 3 days in a row and not feel some WDs. Even using 1 day on 1 day off is pushing it too far and you will soon be sick.

You would probably get away with 3 days in a row if you were new to dope but once you have had a habit your brain kind of gets rewired and slips back into dependence easily.

I was on methadone/heroin for 4 years. I am off it nearly 6 months. I could use once per week (maybe twice on say a monday and a friday - I don't know) and get away with it physically. But I don't use that often. I had pretty bad PAWS that lasted a long time. Using H too often seems to bring them back, so I space out my use.
 
Thanks for the responses. So even one day on, one day off would be pushing it? Hmmm. I wonder if one day on (3 shots a day), two days off would be the ticket. Problem is, dope is so yummy that those two days are gonna pass by so slooooow. Would the WDs from 2-3 days continuous usage be like full on WDs that would leave me non-functional?

I have a good sized stash of bupe, but I am so tired of the riding the bupe train. Went cold turkey in Jan from 2mg of bupe and still didn't feel right after 3 months (although I was taking Kratom to ease WD, so that might have prolonged things). Of course bupe WD does not compare to full agonist WD, but the background feeling of shitiness, depression, and lethargy that lingers forever really sucks in its own way. Reason I mention this is because when I jumped from bupe to dillies and dope for a few months, I thought I would be able to do a short sub taper and get past WD since I had switched to a short acting full agonist. Didn't seem to work that way though. I am down to about 0.5 mg of bupe a day without much discomfort (went back on bupe 3 weeks ago).
 
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If you are like me, you will not be able to use heroin like you have planned to. It simply doesn't work, addiction is back instantaneously almost. I was completely opiate free for half a year, did fentanyl 3 days in a row and got withdrawal that was just as bad as if I have been using for a whole fucking year.

After that I've fucked up another time where I thought I could do opiates twice a week, fridays and tuesdays mainly. This worked for a couple of weeks untill I started feeling shitty in between days and before I knew it I was using again every other day and withdrawal was back again.

At this point I've given up, it's not worth the damn pain anymore. The high isn't as great after years of maintenance and the withdrawal is fucking excruciatingly painfull every single time. There is no such thing as minor withdrawal for me anymore.
 
If you are still taking bupe and plan to jump on jump off this will affect things differently. You may be able to do dope a little more regularly than if you quit opiates entirely.
Even a maintenance dose of 0.5mg will cushion WDs slightly.

One day on, two days off is still pushing it IMO. But you will need to find out yourself. Maybe you are different? Just be warned. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

If you want to use that frequently why don't you just go back on dope until you're ready to quit?
 
firahs75 said:
Thanks for the responses. So even one day on, one day off would be pushing it? Hmmm. I wonder if one day on (3 shots a day), two days off would be the ticket. Problem is, dope is so yummy that those two days are gonna pass by so slooooow.
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Yea even if you had someone hold the meds and somehow stayed away from physical withdrawals, your 2 days off(more realistically would need 3-4 if you are using heavily for a day) would suck because of mental craving and just not wanting to do anything.

Face it, Opiates are not for you. You can't go back to using, you will get addicted again if you do. Do yourself a favor and try not to keep thinking about every scenario.
 
Like everyones said, it most likely wont work. And in any case, you dont need to be asking this, if youre seriously trying to figure it out, just try it and you will have your anwser in a week or two what works for you. It depends on a number of things, from how active you are (if you work out, that can be the difference from having zero to having mild to moderate WDs), diet, mental, ROA, ... But honestly dude, this sh*t doesnt work.

Id suggest, if youre sick of subs and still have cravings for H to maybe try morphine ER pills (those combined with wax). Im not sure what they are named in your country, the stuff is these tiny little white round pebbles in a dissolvable capsule. Its morphine sulphate. I find them to really take the craving for H away, they stabilize your body weight, its quite easy to measure it and taper of by yourself if you wish to get clean. I dont find it much fun if you want to get high, they just relax you, but like I said, its good for avoiding WDs and craving, getting some sleep and taper off.
 
^ and by most likely, like 99.99% chance won't work. Are you kidding yourself you should know there is no way this would work. You think you can use 4 out of 7 days a week and not be using daily in less than 2 weeks, you'll just be miserable those days off and most likely sick too after 1-2 weeks of it.
 
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Like everyones said, it most likely wont work. And in any case, you dont need to be asking this, if youre seriously trying to figure it out, just try it and you will have your anwser in a week or two what works for you. It depends on a number of things, from how active you are (if you work out, that can be the difference from having zero to having mild to moderate WDs), diet, mental, ROA, ... But honestly dude, this sh*t doesnt work.

Id suggest, if youre sick of subs and still have cravings for H to maybe try morphine ER pills (those combined with wax). Im not sure what they are named in your country, the stuff is these tiny little white round pebbles in a dissolvable capsule. Its morphine sulphate. I find them to really take the craving for H away, they stabilize your body weight, its quite easy to measure it and taper of by yourself if you wish to get clean. I dont find it much fun if you want to get high, they just relax you, but like I said, its good for avoiding WDs and craving, getting some sleep and taper off.
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I appreciate everyone's feedback. You are all right that I am probably kidding myself.

The morphine sulfate ER sounds like an interesting idea. Perhaps I could have my pain mgt Dr switch me from dillies to the morphine. I am in the USA. Do you know which brand have the pebbles? I have only seen the MS contin that is a whole pill. Do you think morphine is easier to taper than bupe? I find bupe to be very hard once you get below 2 mg and the WD last foooorever.Thanks!
 
if you can hold yourself to it the best way to be sure to not withdrawal is to never use more than twice in a day and do two days on and two days off
 
You would need to take a few weeks off after stopping the bupe otherwise you will be in withdrawals on your days off right from the start. Once every 5 days is probably the most often you can use while avoiding dependence since you have been dependent before. Someone new to opiates can use more often without risking withdrawals, but after experiencing them a few times they begin to come on after just a few uses.
 
Avoiding physical and mental withdrawl I would use no more than once every 4 or 5 days. Honestly your odds of not getting strung out again are very high if you do it very frequently. I do it no more than once a month to control the tempation and even then I still crave it for awhile afyerward
 
mrflowers00 said:
if you can hold yourself to it the best way to be sure to not withdrawal is to never use more than twice in a day and do two days on and two days off
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That seems doable. Nice morning shot to wake me up and then one in the evening to wrap up the day. With good dope I think I could get by with two shots in a day...definitely not with dillies though. I love doing my shot while watching Game of Thrones, esp the intro. Don't know if I'll be able to watch it once I get sober.

Does anyone know if the Morphine ER spansules that a previous poster mentioned are available in the US?
 
I'd have to go with the classic 12 hours in 72 rule. From personal experience any more than that is just asking for addiction.
 
With the 12 hours in 72 rule does that mean I can be high for 12 hours or I can shoot dope as much as I want for 12 hours? Because without a habit two shots of decent dope in 12 hours would keep me high for almost 24 hours, especially if I did one right at the end of that timespan.
 
You can use for 12 hours, but it should be 72 hours minimum since your last shot before you use again. It works for me, but YMMV.
 
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