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i think i need 3 x 7 mg tabs to notice anything. 
mydrugbuddy
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knock
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Please see my edit in post 180 above.
mydrugbuddy
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ah yeah i remember now. Proof positive that phenaz hasnt fucked me up. AFTER 3 DAYS,
knock
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So where do we, or more specifically YOU go from here?
How about looking into changing GP today? You could do that today.
How about looking into changing GP today? You could do that today.
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mydrugbuddy
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1 reasearch evry thing about phenaz
2 take it very easy on it - no more guessing the dose until im knocked out
3 measure the dose, limiting it to 3-4 mg and work downwards
4 see if i can get some mogadon hahhahaha
5 walk a thousand miles a day to tire myself out whilst listening to The Proclaimers
6 have another chat with gp re mogadon - failing that , check out the sedative ssri, i think its mirtazapine (also meant to be good for treating substance addictions !!!!!!)
7. make the fuckin phone call.
8. Any opinions on whether i should very politely, rationally and calmly explain why i might want to switch to another GP, or just do it. (I'll talk to my counsellor and one to one worker first) My GP was very good to me until she heard about the drugs. It also iunfuriates me that her text book on her shelf is from 1987 or something, I mean Fucks sake, you get paid over £100,000, cant you afford to keep that updated with all the new drugs and reaearch that have appeared in the last 15 years ? I got a 2012 version off ebay for £5.
Annoys the fuck out of me. Strikes me as lazy and incompetent. Fair play she is very busy but even so. Come on. Pull your fuckin socks up. My manager wouldn't have let me get away with that. It sends out terrible signals.
2 take it very easy on it - no more guessing the dose until im knocked out
3 measure the dose, limiting it to 3-4 mg and work downwards
4 see if i can get some mogadon hahhahaha
5 walk a thousand miles a day to tire myself out whilst listening to The Proclaimers
6 have another chat with gp re mogadon - failing that , check out the sedative ssri, i think its mirtazapine (also meant to be good for treating substance addictions !!!!!!)
7. make the fuckin phone call.
8. Any opinions on whether i should very politely, rationally and calmly explain why i might want to switch to another GP, or just do it. (I'll talk to my counsellor and one to one worker first) My GP was very good to me until she heard about the drugs. It also iunfuriates me that her text book on her shelf is from 1987 or something, I mean Fucks sake, you get paid over £100,000, cant you afford to keep that updated with all the new drugs and reaearch that have appeared in the last 15 years ? I got a 2012 version off ebay for £5.
Annoys the fuck out of me. Strikes me as lazy and incompetent. Fair play she is very busy but even so. Come on. Pull your fuckin socks up. My manager wouldn't have let me get away with that. It sends out terrible signals.
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That's a real shame, and there are some clueless doctors out there, but you can't expect them to write a heavy benzo prescription for somebody who appears to have no problem acquiring massive stocks themselves.
Honesty and communicating the full extent of your problems is the only way. Going to see the doctor in order to save money on drugs you're essentially abusing (and 5mg of phenaz is abuse) isn't.
I say this as a guy who's two weeks away from his most frightening medical appointment in years, and trying very hard to get by without resorting to benzos himself.
knock
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no but they might be able to prescribe something better for sleep.
MDB if you and your GP or a new GP can't get a handle on this then I forsee the NHS getting a handle on you, via a stay in a Psychiatric ward.
If you really can't get anywhere with your current GP you need to get a new one and start the process now.
They've already prescribed zopiclone though, haven't they?
I wouldn't fancy MDB's chances of being prescribed nitraz as a documented benzo abuser. I'm surprised enough at the zopiclone.
Maybe mirtazipine is a safer bet. Maybe.
I wouldn't fancy MDB's chances of being prescribed nitraz as a documented benzo abuser. I'm surprised enough at the zopiclone.
Maybe mirtazipine is a safer bet. Maybe.
knock
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They prescribed levels of zopiclone which were lower than MDB has, I believe tried himself, is that right MDB?
I've tried zopiclone too, it's not all that. Mind you that was not BP but cheap generic shite.
I've tried zopiclone too, it's not all that. Mind you that was not BP but cheap generic shite.
It isn't NHS policy to prescribe in order to fit around individual tolerances.
She probably only prescribed as much zopiclone as she did under duress, and only because zopiclone is regarded as fairly 'unabusable'. Try as many NHS doctors as you like, but you're not going to have nitraz thrown at you I'm afraid.
mydrugbuddy
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yeah i already had 7mg, they gave me 3.5.
i think you're over egging it with the sectioning thing Knock. I may be crazy but im not mad,. If you see what i mean. All my case workers will back me up on that. That would indeed be a huge backwards step. You've scared me now. Sorry to be rude but youve scared me so much that i have to say i hope you're talking out of your arse.
i think you're over egging it with the sectioning thing Knock. I may be crazy but im not mad,. If you see what i mean. All my case workers will back me up on that. That would indeed be a huge backwards step. You've scared me now. Sorry to be rude but youve scared me so much that i have to say i hope you're talking out of your arse.
mydrugbuddy
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i didnt put any pressure on her, i was extremely careful not not to come across as threatening, bad tempered or aggressive.
Anyway THANK YOU ALL. Ive had more than my fair share of attention here today. Its up to me now. I have that 7 step plan formulated and it sounds like a sensible plan too even if i say so myself.
Have you been offered the chance to see a psychiatrist voluntarily at any point?
knock
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Sorry that was a poor attempt at humour. But Phenazepam has seen more than it's fair share of people end up in trouble of some kind.
Myshkin, what's MDB meant to do if his GP can't help him get to sleep? This is beyond my experience. But if pressed I'd assume he'd be going to A&E and end up admitted to a psychiatric ward
That's just my clueless guess MDB don't panic!
mydrugbuddy
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no. i dont wanna go there. AFAIK they listen to you for ten minutes, put you in a pigeon hole, and pump you full of meds. ( i can see the irony of that)
Myshkin, what's MDB meant to do if his GP can't help him get to sleep? This is beyond my experience. But if pressed I'd assume he'd be going to A&E and end up admitted to a psychiatric ward
Most GPs will look at his history of drug use and steer clear of prescribing so much as an aspirin, even if it's clearly causing problems. I'm not saying that's right or good, but it's my experience.
With the best will in the world, what will the GP's benzos do that the ones MDB is obtaining illegally don't do?
As far as you 'know'?
How much do you 'know'? Or are you just repeating what you've heard on the grapevine?
mydrugbuddy
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Sorry that was a poor attempt at humour. But Phenazepam has seen more than it's fair share of people end up in trouble of some kind.
Myshkin, what's MDB meant to do if his GP can't help him get to sleep? This is beyond my experience. But if pressed I'd assume he'd be going to A&E and end up admitted to a psychiatric ward
Its not all doom and gloom, the support clinics i go to are fuckin great. My counsellor is extremely perceptive and talented at building rapport, its not easy for people to gain my trust, but i now feel as if i can tell her virtually evrything. In addittion, the practical support, group CBT and peer support is awesome, and there's also people you can drop in and see i you happen to feel "in crisis " at any point (like i did after 2 weeks with no sleep). This place has saved me. Thank God for Mr Branston Pickle and his likes who funded this place entirely through charitable donations. This is the place that is gradually making the difference. There have been plenty of ups and down and wrong turns, but i see that as inevitable and i never thought it would be easy.
Even without drugs my self confidence and happiness and abilty to be articulate has increased at least 50 % thanks to this place. If they werent there i would be in a mental home by now, shuffling allong in my slippers, drooling largactill all over my pyjamas, and having a wank in the corridor when a pretty nurse walks by.
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