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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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RodRamsey said:
Your all good, if your healthy taking benzo/sub mix not as dangerous as doctors would like you to think. I not advocating this and actually recomend not mixing because the combined effect will get at you bad in the long run. Your going to end up needing both. Trust me pick 1 and stick with it. Subs work for sleep just like benzos. If you combine now you in a new level of trouble. Cant take one without the other then wds immediate if you stop one. If you doing the mix stay real low dose but you really dont want to go down that road. I did the mix long time and huge mistake, possibly my final mistake. You catch my drift? Not sure how this going to turn out.
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For sure. Well I took the sub early in the morning to get through the day and just now took the benzo so I can get to sleep. I think ill be fine. I'm not dependant on either and this isn't a regular thing. I'm all about keeping it safe though
 
At one point I was going to stop using benzos for sleep because the subs are almost as effective. If your already on subs maybe better to add a dose for sleep than go mixing benzo into your system. You'll thank me in in the long run. This combo sub/benzo is something alot of people not aware of, or know how much more addictive it can be.
 
RodRamsey said:
At one point I was going to stop using benzos for sleep because the subs are almost as effective. If your already on subs maybe better to add a dose for sleep than go mixing benzo into your system. You'll thank me in in the long run. This combo sub/benzo is something alot of people not aware of, or know how much more addictive it can be.
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I thankfully never had a problem sleeping on bupe, which is great because I know a lot of people who do.
 
If I could only go back in time and just use subs only be way better outlook for me. The combo is what gets you in double trouble. Hitting me hard today, no clue if its subs wds or klon tapering wds. I only drop 2mg to 5mg klon total for now because yestrday felt like death on 1mg. Trying to do this without doc or hospital but might have to cave in. Was on subs soo long my brain about to explode now without them.
 
I'm totally new at this. I started using Suboxone 2 years ago. After 4 surgeries I went from 8/2MG to 3 8/2MG. I jumped off 19 days ago. I have a good MD who's supplied me with several opiates & Benzo's. I feel worse every day no matter how much other stuff I take. How long will this last?
 
I'm new. I jumped off of 24/6MG daily 19 days ago. I keep getting sicker in spite of the fact that I have ample access to morphine, percs, dilaudid, diazepam, oxi's etc. etc. I can't eat, sleep or do much of anything. How long will this last? It seems I get worse each day no matter how much opiates & benzo's I take. I don't know how to start a new thread or where to go to get answers and make friends on the site. PLZ HELP! TY mixinvixen
 
RodRamsey said:
At one point I was going to stop using benzos for sleep because the subs are almost as effective. If your already on subs maybe better to add a dose for sleep than go mixing benzo into your system. You'll thank me in in the long run. This combo sub/benzo is something alot of people not aware of, or know how much more addictive it can be.
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i find it impossible to sleep on bupe. it's like an upper to me...gives me tons of energy.
 
Me too! I jumped off @ 24/6MG suboxone 19 days ago. I have benzo's & opiates. I can't eat sleep, toilet, walk. Pretty much in bed. I'm miserable even with all the RX my Sub MD gave me. How soon can I expect to get better? Anyone able to show me how to start a new thread? this is my 1rst day on the site. I could sure use some advice. I don't want to go back on the subs, but I feel like I'm dying and at times wish I would.
 
mixinvixen said:
I'm new. I jumped off of 24/6MG daily 19 days ago. I keep getting sicker in spite of the fact that I have ample access to morphine, percs, dilaudid, diazepam, oxi's etc. etc. I can't eat, sleep or do much of anything. How long will this last? It seems I get worse each day no matter how much opiates & benzo's I take. I don't know how to start a new thread or where to go to get answers and make friends on the site. PLZ HELP! TY mixinvixen
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That's a lot to jump off of honestly, but you've come really far....are you taking oxycodone or hydromorphone?! because if you're using any other opiates you're completely screwing yourself! Unless you're doing a really controlled taper with those drugs....to help you and give you an honest answer that's the first thing we need to know...
 
Can you still have surgery if your on sub? I hear that the anaesthesia will not work if your on sub? like sub will block the anaesthesia albeit sleep or local, is this true?
 
Is it also true sub withdrawals and PAWS can stay with people for all their lives? because sub has destroyed the receptors for good or done something biologically to the individual that they will never recover, so either they will be depressed all their life or have to be on an opiate? is this why people commit suicide when in sub PAWS because its just never ending? man I hate reading stories like that...I also hate seeing people suffer PAWS 3 years after quitting sub, claiming they cannot leave the house, lost their job, relationships, testosterone destroyed for life and other issues, is it any wonder people are taking their own life and unable to get off subs? this is not encouraging at all..I never met anybody who got off subs or stayed clean after stopping subs..

I think because it's a new drug people and doctors alike do not know anything about long term damage or side affects.

Is it true sub users have signed a death sentence by going on subs? meaning if they stay on it they will feel bad and if they go off it then still feel bad...I keep reading cases like this everyday, and how sub users are the most deprived opiate users, and how sub users just cannot beat sub withdrawals or PAWS...I really wish that is not true, but maybe am just being indenial here? it is true and nothing we can do about this?
 
Dont ever go into surgery on any subs, worst mistake you will ever make. You better off switching back to percs or something. I bring my own supply to surgery, had 3 recently. First time they giving me fentanyl shots max dose and it did absolute nothing. There were 3 bullets in my leg and I was 30 mins from death bleedingout internal so nothing going to help that. I yelling at nurse and she standing there with the needle I already gave it too you. Even 3 days after surgery nothing was working, just laying there in death pain. It took dilaudid and whole bunch of percs to knock the subs off my receptors. Morel of the story if you getting ready for surgery better to go in withdrawing then on subs unless you into long painful days/nights.
 
Universal_General said:
Is it also true sub withdrawals and PAWS can stay with people for all their lives? because sub has destroyed the receptors for good or done something biologically to the individual that they will never recover, so either they will be depressed all their life or have to be on an opiate? is this why people commit suicide when in sub PAWS because its just never ending? man I hate reading stories like that...I also hate seeing people suffer PAWS 3 years after quitting sub, claiming they cannot leave the house, lost their job, relationships, testosterone destroyed for life and other issues, is it any wonder people are taking their own life and unable to get off subs? this is not encouraging at all..I never met anybody who got off subs or stayed clean after stopping subs..

I think because it's a new drug people and doctors alike do not know anything about long term damage or side affects.

Is it true sub users have signed a death sentence by going on subs? meaning if they stay on it they will feel bad and if they go off it then still feel bad...I keep reading cases like this everyday, and how sub users are the most deprived opiate users, and how sub users just cannot beat sub withdrawals or PAWS...I really wish that is not true, but maybe am just being indenial here? it is true and nothing we can do about this?
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No, that does not sound correct. I highly doubt anyone would get PAWS 3 years after quitting sub, or any drug for that matter. You would have to be on heroin for life , then on sub for a long ass time for your receptors to be that fucked up. I mean it just doesn't sound plausible.

People complaining about PAWS after that long need to quit complaining and face the real world. They can't have an opiate blanket always protecting them from their problems, because that is what they want.
 
There is no such thing as "life time PAWS". That is ridiculous. Even the idea of it lasting for years is foolish. With drugs like methadone and bupe the PAWS stage does last for a while, but it's months.. not years..
 
Have to agree with you on the PAWLs going away and staying away. 3 years is a long time to heal, might be stress/depression. I have everything stress/deprssion /pawls lol. What a mess I am right now. Its weird because my symptoms come and go. One minute lethargic and next slightly normal. I feel improvement on day 6 it is now but also went thru about 4 hours of bad pawls today. Its just weird I cant even describe how I feel right now. Surgeries, stress, insurance cancel. Probably should have team of dr's checking me out but I can't go to hospital and loose another three weeks of my life. Dogs here to watch, I have a list about ten miles long of issues, you doing alot better than me, bet on that. If you feeling like relapse after 3 years clean then maybe go on a low dose/quick taper type of treatment. Some doctors I hear actually help people. Here in the jungle of nyc your lucky to see a nurse, who knows more than the doctor lol. Nurses saved my life, those doctors were taking all my meds as far as I could tell. Why bring morphine machine in put right next to you and disappear for three days and never hook it up? Where did my approved morphine go???? Pain management ya ok. Hmmm ya I wonder what that was about, dirty doctors here,real grimey. Thanks for letting me rant on here. Hopefully something in my horrible experience can help somebody in someway. Wish you all the best in this struggle we all in.
 
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In general terms, Say if i was to keep a low dose bupe habit ticking over at 1mg a day, for maintenance, and yeah for kicks, at what point would/could the magic be lost, only to be overtaken by a need to take it just to feel normal and stave off withdrawals.

For some people it might be a few weeks, for others several months, for others never ?? :?

Please can those who have maintaned long term low dose buoe habits give theirown first hand exerience as to whether this happened to them, when it happened, or if it is a drug that just keeps on giving (providing you keep the dose low. Ive noticed that once you start letting doses escalate then the negatives quickly start outweighting the positives)

All replies are very welcome,as Im at a huge crossroads in my life now. Do i carry on with 1mg bupe and feel on top of the world (3 weeks in, already cut down from 2mg with no problems) or am i heading for a allmightly fall not too far round the corner.

Once again, thanks,

The reason for asking is that you hear many contradictorary first persons accounts. Not that i doubt any ones account of course, it just seems to affect people differently. :?
 
all drugs effect all people differently. especially maintenance drugs

we can't tell you how long the glow will last for you.
 
Hi! I'm new. I don't really get how this site works, but have been here several times b4 I joined. Here's my "Readers Digest" version:
In Aug. of 2011 I started using Suboxone. Wee bits at a time. I have several complicated medical issues. I got a good sub doc and by 2012 I was on 18/2MG strip daily. Starting in Feb of 2012 I had 4 major surgeries my last being Jan. of 2013. My surgeon was not very good. All 3 of my spine surgeries failed. In any event I went to my sub doc to transition off the high doses of opiates back to subs. I had to take 5 8/2MG strips to override the opiates. I weaned down to 3 strips and jumped off about 3 weeks ago. I've been given ample doses of opiates & Benzo's and each day I feel sicker no matter how much crap I take to stop the withdrawals. Any idea how long it will take to feel well enough to get dressed and walk down the street? Seems I was more active earlier on. As time passes I just feel worse! My next spine surgery is Aug. 5th 2013. I'm afraid I might give up and go back to the subs I'm so sick. That would mean another w/drawl. I've been through so many I can't count. Plus they never give you enough opiates at the hospital to override the sub. I feel like I'm in hell with no escape. Any suggestions? Also advice on how to post threads and interact with other folks on this site would really be helpful. TY, mixin vixen
 
PAWS? Is that my problem? I jumped off 3 weeks ago @ 3-8/2MG strips. I've got opiates & Benzos. Doesn't matter how much I take. I can't function. The withdrawals are killing me! Any suggestions on how long until I start to see the light at the end of the tunnel? I do NOT want to return to Subs as I have a major surgery Aug. 5th, 2013. Since I'm a newbie advice on how to get advice would be nice. TY! mixin vixen
 
mixinvixen said:
PAWS? Is that my problem? I jumped off 3 weeks ago @ 3-8/2MG strips. I've got opiates & Benzos. Doesn't matter how much I take. I can't function. The withdrawals are killing me! Any suggestions on how long until I start to see the light at the end of the tunnel? I do NOT want to return to Subs as I have a major surgery Aug. 5th, 2013. Since I'm a newbie advice on how to get advice would be nice. TY! mixin vixen
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Well it can take a while for 24 mg/day of buprenorphine to lave your system. I would guess it would take somewhere between 7-10 days to be at the point where you will have plasma levels that are near 0. Suboxone w/d will typically last 2-3 weeks, peaking in intensity around 7 days in and getting slowly better over the course of the next 1-2 weeks. You had been taking a ton when you stopped so you might have a little longer wait on your hands, maybe an extra week. Honestly I am amazed you were able to stop taking 24 mg a day cold turkey like that. Many people report it is too difficult to jump off at 1-2 mg a day.

At this point you should have made it through the worst and soon will not be sick. But having your post addiction energy and mind state will take a long while. Like you said the PAWS, that will be there for a while. You know, you need to get your brain back to creating endorphins on its on like it use to.

BTW what are you taking to help deal with W/Ds, you say you have opiates and benzos, what and how much are you taking? Of course taking the opiates are going to draw out the w/d time, and if you are taking a large amount you may end up replacing one addiction for another, same goes for the benzos with replacing addictions. I used clonazepam when I weaned off suboxone and I weaned down to <0.1 mg a day using a liquid solution taper. Virtually painless but I don't function well in society without some chemicals in me, so I stated taking clonazepam and I got scared I would be addicted to that, so went back to using oxycodone (what I originally got on suboxone to stop using) because I knew I could handle that w/d when I had to. Benzos addiction is really bad, it is not something you want to mess with. I avoided anything serious, once I was using benzos almost everyday I knew I had to slow down. But most people who have been addicted to benzos will take heroin w/d 10x over their benzo w/d. And its deadly, too.
 
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