Open Discussion Why is doing drugs frowned upon on Bluelight?

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TweakerBirdie

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It just seems like it's frowned upon to do drugs on this site.
Examples:
*When I mentioned that I've been doing meth regularly for awhile, everyone told me to quit.
*In nearly every thread there's a post hinting at (or blatantly stating) that the OP shouldn't do drugs.
*When I said that I just started using heroin, everyone told me to quit.
*When I suggested that I may try mixing meth and heroin, everyone told me that I'm crazy and not to do it.

I can understand the second two, but I've been doing meth for quite awhile, and I'm very set in my ways in doing it. Why would everyone tell me to quit doing something that I've been doing since before I even discovered this site? And why is there always at least one post per thread that either says "Quit", "don't do it" or some other form of "Don't do drugs/drugs are bad"?

I'm not trying to bash the site at all, as it has wonderful information, I'm just wondering why this is?
 
Bottom line is that habitual and frequent recreational drug use is most often dangerous, and we are a community with the goal of reducing the harm associated with drug use.
 
I would say that most ppl that are saying u should quit, most likely are saying so, just sothey can feel better about themselves. On the other hand, i have found many posts that people dont try to push their ideals onto others and are mostly open-minded about other`s drug use. Dont let the haters get u down! Just be careful out there! It`s a crazy, crazy world...drug use or not! Lol!
 
tweakerbirdie, i think you're generalizing and somewhat mischaracterizing the response.

here's one response, picked 'randomly', to one of your questions"
'medicine cabinet' said:
well, i think i can safely speak for just about everyone that has walked the razor and been sliced by it, that using such powerful substances in a way that your body is able to get 100% of the drug(s) in a matter of seconds, that planning on using just here and there just wont work. its that easy to say. those two drugs shot together produce so much neuronal release of your brains pleasure chemicals that its like sticking a fork in a giant nuclear reactor. overload baby. it floods every synapse, reaches every receptor, gives your body such a blast to the reward pathways that after a while of here and there, you consciously dont even realize you want it. your body lets you know it NEEDS it. it will wake you up, it will become your alarm clock, your job, your habit, your life. ive just seen too much, i dont mean to come off as totally dreadful and terrifying or anything here, but you literally are playing with fire. you WILL get burned. maybe not next month, maybe not 2, but if you keep doing it, the whole act beginning to end, from txting or calling, then doing whatever you have to do to get $$$$ (remember your tolerance just increases) picking it up prepping the shot and slamming it home it will own you.
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sure, that user is suggesting you do not proceed but it's pretty clear why. he's speaking from experience. in reading the responses to your questions, i see a lot of responses written from experience.

presumably you asked these questions publicly because you wanted to hear from people, learn from their experiences? careful asking for opinions - you'll get them!

welcome to bluelight.
Lemonopi81 said:
I would say that most ppl that are saying u should quit, most likely are saying so, just sothey can feel better about themselves.
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that's a rather lazy analysis from somebody who's been here only 5 minutes?

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
tweakerbirdie, i think you're generalizing and somewhat mischaracterizing the response.

here's one response, picked 'randomly', to one of your questions"sure, that user is suggesting you do not proceed but it's pretty clear why. he's speaking from experience. in reading the responses to your questions, i see a lot of responses written from experience.

presumably you asked these questions publicly because you wanted to hear from people, learn from their experiences? careful asking for opinions - you'll get them!

welcome to bluelight.
that's a rather lazy analysis from somebody who's been here only 5 minutes?

alasdair
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I was just wondering why it seems that so many people are suggesting that I quit, or that other people quit. This is a drug forum. I thought I could come here for Harm Reduction, as in advice such as "Use clean needles", not advice like "Fuck Harm Reduction. Just quit."

Can you at least see why I'm confused? I'm sorry if I offended you with my question, though. I'm just trying to figure out why this site's users are like that. I don't mind opinions, I just want them to be at least slightly helpful.
I appreciate that people care enough to suggest quitting, but everyone that says to quit must know that it doesn't make even a slight difference to anyone they're saying it to, right? They might as well give helpful advice instead of wasting their time posting unhelpful things like that.
 
This seems silly that you are so concerned that people here might be, well, concerned over some of your posts. I disagree with what you are saying about it is a waste of time for some posters to suggest that you not try something or that it is a bad idea. I always appreciate hearing from someone who has already traveled a road that I am considering and I assure you my mind has been changed by some experiences I have read. I always feel the people who actually use drugs have a more unbiased opinion when they are telling me something is a bad idea than the government or even a medical 'authority' who is book learned but lacks personal experience.

IVing drugs is the easiest way to suffer complications such as infections, the quickest way to OD, the fastest path to addiction and a downward, slippery slope. As harm reduction goes, one would be remiss in not mentioning that IV drug use is a "bad" idea.

This site is not here just to support you in finding ways of seeing how hi you can get but to do what you are going to do safely and to offer community support. No one is telling you not to do something just to be obnoxious.
 
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As you have noticed, I am still only a "greenlighter", but please dont get me confused with someone who is unfamiliar with this site and all it has to offer. This is not the first time i`ve set foot on this playing field, and wont be my last. I`m sure i still have much to learn, as we all do...cuz no one likes a "know it all". My reply was short, to the point, maybe skewed in your opinion, but just as i said, it`s my opinion and I`m sorry if it struck a nerve. Since i`ve only been here 5 min, i`m surprised It has only been a short amt of time to get negative response from such a Tongue in cheek post. I joined BL cuz i enjoy the positive encouragement and wealth of knowledge it possesses, therefore, I`m sort of shocked that i`ve already received neg feedback from such a short and sweet post. I`m sure it wont b my last and i`ll make sure i`m super cautious how i word my own opinions from now on.
 
TweakerBirdie said:
I was just wondering why it seems that so many people are suggesting that I quit, or that other people quit. This is a drug forum. I thought I could come here for Harm Reduction, as in advice such as "Use clean needles", not advice like "Fuck Harm Reduction. Just quit."
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While I always include an answer to someone's question when posting in such a thread, I can't, for example, watch someone ask about when it's OK to shoot heroin after being on bupe for 6 months without advising against it, because I know damn well how dope has fucked my life. And maybe it's never helpful, but sometimes hearing something from someone else helps me.
 
Lemonopi81 said:
As you have noticed, I am still only a "greenlighter", but please dont get me confused with someone who is unfamiliar with this site and all it has to offer. This is not the first time i`ve set foot on this playing field, and wont be my last.
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in that case, i've change my mind. your comment was a rather lazy analysis from somebody who's been here a while :)
Lemonopi81 said:
I`m sure i still have much to learn, as we all do...cuz no one likes a "know it all".
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indeed.
Lemonopi81 said:
My reply was short, to the point, maybe skewed in your opinion
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brevity didn't skew my opinion. i took your comment at face value and my response stands.
Lemonopi81 said:
...but just as i said, it`s my opinion and I`m sorry if it struck a nerve.
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in return, you have my opinion. i'm not sorry it struck a nerve. it's just that - my opinion - you can give it as much weight as you like. you're also free to completely ignore it, and me along with it.
Lemonopi81 said:
Since i`ve only been here 5 min, i`m surprised It has only been a short amt of time to get negative response from such a Tongue in cheek post.
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there's no suggestion from the content or the tone that your message was tongue in cheek. the standard online mechanism for telegraphing that kind of thing is a smiley. i could assume that you're guilty of the internet annoyance of posting a statement then trying to roll it back later with "i was only joking. you didn't get it". but i won't :)
Lemonopi81 said:
I joined BL cuz i enjoy the positive encouragement and wealth of knowledge it possesses, therefore, I`m sort of shocked that i`ve already received neg feedback from such a short and sweet post.
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maybe there's a lesson there?
Lemonopi81 said:
I`m sure it wont b my last and i`ll make sure i`m super cautious how i word my own opinions from now on.
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why? don't take it so personally.

alasdair
 
Bl has people in all spectrums.. Blue Lighters as a whole, make a good representation of the drug world.. there are people in every stage of use as well as people in every stage of addiction.. I dont know why you have such a negative opinion of people who have taken the path you are on and ended up having a real tough time of it and are trying to warn you as to a good way to guarantee you dont go down the way they did.. The may recognize that there is still hope for you to get out scott free.. I believe you may experience more people stating that you may want to consider quitting because you are using two of the most addicting substances there are. a good place to start in harm reduction is to promote drugs that have let allot of people live amazing lives while discouraging substances that have destroyed allot of their users lives:\.. These people that urge you to quit may have been just like you awhile back and are likely thinking to themselves that.. I wish someone would have said something like this to me at this stage.. I dont know what stage you are at so this was just a thought.. I believe if you are confident enough in your ability to control your use of these strong substances then you should be confident enough in your choices to be able to listen to some well meaning members urging you to do what they obviously think is pretty damn important.. I wish you many good highs and no addictions and I sincerely hope that you do not find yourself, after a bit more use, as one of the people warning a new version of you on BL to quit doing the really addictive drugs while they are still ahead<3
 
TweakerBirdie said:
It just seems like it's frowned upon to do drugs on this site.
Examples:
*When I mentioned that I've been doing meth regularly for awhile, everyone told me to quit.
*In nearly every thread there's a post hinting at (or blatantly stating) that the OP shouldn't do drugs.
*When I said that I just started using heroin, everyone told me to quit.
*When I suggested that I may try mixing meth and heroin, everyone told me that I'm crazy and not to do it.

I can understand the second two, but I've been doing meth for quite awhile, and I'm very set in my ways in doing it. Why would everyone tell me to quit doing something that I've been doing since before I even discovered this site? And why is there always at least one post per thread that either says "Quit", "don't do it" or some other form of "Don't do drugs/drugs are bad"?

I'm not trying to bash the site at all, as it has wonderful information, I'm just wondering why this is?
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In which subforum were these questions posted? You'll find answers vary a lot depending on that. I find OD is usually much more heavy on the 'don't do it' answers simply because it's usually the forum where the most dangerous subtances are used/most dangerous questions are asked...if you mention you've just started using something as potentially life-destroying as heroin or meth I think it's perfectly normal for people to warn you, and otherwise you just have to make it clear that you're experienced and aren't looking for sermoning.
Doing drugs is everything but frowned upon on BL, however the members do really look out for each other (one of the things that makes the website so wonderful IMO) and if they feel someone's use is out of control they will point it out.
 
Neversickanymore and Pagey...what great posts and points you have made! It makes me jealous of your writing skills. The way you interpret this site Is spot on! My writing skills lack, as i am a graduate of an american high school :)
 
I am a long time reader who just recently became a greenlighter. I understand you where you are coming from. The cold turkey quit mentality has long been a medial staple. remember all those PSA "This is your brain, this is your brain on drugs." Those PSA's were funded by an organization called Partnership of a drug FREE America. Just quit is a cop-out. I will say this though. Although I have done meth and heroin before, I don't recommend them to anyone. I say get some Ritalin or Oxy instead. The pills are usually a little more expensive (especially if you are getting them on the street), but you know what you are getting. Remember you could be getting a ten dollar button that is 90% dormin or a quarter of meth that is 90% baby laxative. I personally like to know what i'm getting.
 
I don't see anything wrong with people telling you to quit as long as they also provide harm reduction advice in their post.
 
Tommyboy said:
I don't see anything wrong with people telling you to quit as long as they also provide harm reduction advice in their post.
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I agree. I don't mind hearing "Quit" if they also say "Oh, yeah, and make sure you use clean needles" or something in addition to the quit. But it just seems that "Just quit. End of story." is really popular.
 
Don't know what you're talking about OP. I see even mods talking about regular meth and heroin usage.
 
If a person were to say I think i will swim with great whites without a cage, an experienced diver would be remiss to point out the dangers. I don;t want anyone else to develop hcv so I discourage iv use.or lose years of their life to an addiction. to lose friends who swam with those sharks. Just a heads up not hating.
 
you posted, asking for opinions on a public site. Some of us gave our opinions, and I don't think that any of them were or are swayed to any great extent by the "say no to drugs"campaign. In fact probably everyone who replied were or are active drug users.

You did not like or agree with some of the replies that you received.
And then you set up a post complaining about it?
Just ignore the posts you don't like, the are more than likely by some washed out junkie, and run with the ones that appeal to you. Simple.:D
 
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