AyahuascaSeeker13
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Hmmmmm... agree... However, he has caused a shit storm.
Back to intelligent SR chat, Mr. West has had his 15 minutes.
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Hmmmmm... agree... However, he has caused a shit storm.
Back to intelligent SR chat, Mr. West has had his 15 minutes.
Codeine Cowboy
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I think a lot of you guys are taking this a bit too far, this is hardly snitching. You think someone in prison is going to stab him for snitching on a website? I'm sure there's plenty of convicted drug dealers and users that have told the police they order their drugs via SR. Are they all snitches?
He made it clear he was importing a lot drugs ($20k I think he said) and customs didn't catch on. He also explains how he gets his anonymous bit coins and says there is no way it can get traced back to you. Sounds like pretty safe site to me, westy has me sold.
He made it clear he was importing a lot drugs ($20k I think he said) and customs didn't catch on. He also explains how he gets his anonymous bit coins and says there is no way it can get traced back to you. Sounds like pretty safe site to me, westy has me sold.
Oldred3s
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It's the exact same as snitching right down to the point of where you meet your dealer to score and drop off the funds.
oldirtybizza
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Importing over 20k molly and only a 12 month supervision order, I'd imagine some more snitching than this interview went down.
No doubt snitches are as deserving of stitches as rapists and corrupt politicians but in this case no one from SR who dealt to this dude is going to see a charge from this, so surely just having to live your life as the type of idiot who outs themselves on national TV as a drug dealer is punishment enough.
The cat is well and truly out of the bag for SR and internet drugs in-terms of LE but no doubt once it becomes the media cause du jour and winds up all the "what about the children!" types then we will see a bigger effort to increase interceptions and limit access.
I'm no 20 year old criminal mastermind but getting drugs sent to your house from overseas seems like a terrible idea to me, it's rare for me to receive a totally legal non-drug related parcel from overseas that hasn't been opened up and checked by customs, It might be a numbers game but eventually one package will get caught, hell they might just let you receive it so they can sit back and wait to really fuck you over.
No doubt snitches are as deserving of stitches as rapists and corrupt politicians but in this case no one from SR who dealt to this dude is going to see a charge from this, so surely just having to live your life as the type of idiot who outs themselves on national TV as a drug dealer is punishment enough.
The cat is well and truly out of the bag for SR and internet drugs in-terms of LE but no doubt once it becomes the media cause du jour and winds up all the "what about the children!" types then we will see a bigger effort to increase interceptions and limit access.
I'm no 20 year old criminal mastermind but getting drugs sent to your house from overseas seems like a terrible idea to me, it's rare for me to receive a totally legal non-drug related parcel from overseas that hasn't been opened up and checked by customs, It might be a numbers game but eventually one package will get caught, hell they might just let you receive it so they can sit back and wait to really fuck you over.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
Ryan West, is that you buddy?
Westy has sold you? Crack?
C'mon bitch out of hiding. You also exposed a main bitcoin provider who has now started to be watched!
Let me clear a few things up
I was not paid any money to do the interview
I never mentioned silk road to police or the magistrate
the interviews ive done are in no way tied to my court case or intensive supervision order, I do these interviews out of my own free will
AyahuascaSeeker13 claims that a main bitcoin provider has started being watched, but AyahuascaSeeker13, bitcoins are not illegal.
to the “snitching” comments, yes I “snitched” on silk road, but this isn't the first news report about silk road, and the police are very limited in what they can do to shut it down. Was Atlantis snitching on it self by posting advertisements on youtube?
the reasons ive gone on air to talk about silk road is to encourage more people to use it, silk road is great in that it allows drug users to access high quality illegal drugs without having to interact with drug dealers, who often have links to other criminal activities,
the more people Australia has using drugs, the more the government will be forced to re-evaluate the current laws
any more questions or comments??
I was not paid any money to do the interview
I never mentioned silk road to police or the magistrate
the interviews ive done are in no way tied to my court case or intensive supervision order, I do these interviews out of my own free will
AyahuascaSeeker13 claims that a main bitcoin provider has started being watched, but AyahuascaSeeker13, bitcoins are not illegal.
to the “snitching” comments, yes I “snitched” on silk road, but this isn't the first news report about silk road, and the police are very limited in what they can do to shut it down. Was Atlantis snitching on it self by posting advertisements on youtube?
the reasons ive gone on air to talk about silk road is to encourage more people to use it, silk road is great in that it allows drug users to access high quality illegal drugs without having to interact with drug dealers, who often have links to other criminal activities,
the more people Australia has using drugs, the more the government will be forced to re-evaluate the current laws
any more questions or comments??
drug_mentor
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^ I don't think you are as much of a snitch as certain others on this board clearly do, but it seems ridiculous to me to make that point about Atlantis, if you as a person/company/whatever choose to release information about yourself then that is personal choice and not snitching. For someone else to go and do that is snitching, they are two totally different things, one is done with the permission of the person or entity the information regards and the other is not, do you honestly struggle to see this distinction and if not then what exactly is your point?
I don't think that just because there is already information about Silk Road justifies it either tbh.
Don't believe for a second you weren't paid, knew that you would come in saying that though, obviously just from a perspective of trying to make yourself look less bad but also it wouldn't surprise me if you had to sign some confidentiality agreement, I don't think the network would appreciate it becoming public knowledge they paid a self confessed drug dealer a few thousand bucks for a quick interview.
You also argue that Bitcoins aren't illegal, but lets not be naive here, the DEA don't exactly have a track record of going easy on people they percieve as affiliated with drugs, recently a dude in California was given a sentence of around 20 years for building traps in cars that people happened to use for drug trafficking, charges have been filed against landlords of cannabis dispensaries (that is, people renting property to those running a dispensary, not people running dispensaries) that were operating legally in a medical state, do you honestly think if the DEA could demonstrate a significant portion of bitcoin sales through a certain site were being used to obtain illicit drugs via SR they couldn't or wouldn't file charges against those running the site? That seems incredibly naive to me.
I don't think that just because there is already information about Silk Road justifies it either tbh.
Don't believe for a second you weren't paid, knew that you would come in saying that though, obviously just from a perspective of trying to make yourself look less bad but also it wouldn't surprise me if you had to sign some confidentiality agreement, I don't think the network would appreciate it becoming public knowledge they paid a self confessed drug dealer a few thousand bucks for a quick interview.
You also argue that Bitcoins aren't illegal, but lets not be naive here, the DEA don't exactly have a track record of going easy on people they percieve as affiliated with drugs, recently a dude in California was given a sentence of around 20 years for building traps in cars that people happened to use for drug trafficking, charges have been filed against landlords of cannabis dispensaries (that is, people renting property to those running a dispensary, not people running dispensaries) that were operating legally in a medical state, do you honestly think if the DEA could demonstrate a significant portion of bitcoin sales through a certain site were being used to obtain illicit drugs via SR they couldn't or wouldn't file charges against those running the site? That seems incredibly naive to me.
Why is there one rule for westy and another one for me? Am I snitching on SR by going on TV about it? Do I need DPR's permission to talk SR to the media? (btw, he/she/them seems ok with the publicity funnily enough)
I'm with you, mister.
Do take care for your safety, westy...
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poledriver
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Probably because you havent been busted for dealing (at a guess) and you didn't use SR to get the drugs from.
You can't really snitch on SR. The media has already done that. I don't see anything wrong with what westy did, but it's not something I would do, even for money, my main thing against it is, those shows suck, and I wouldn't wont more people knowing I was busted dealing and using SR or more awareness about me and my situation by people like cops, incase they think shit like 'oh yeah we better keep our eye on that guy for another few yrs' etc.
I mean, why would you do it? Did they approach you? Is your name now associated with drug dealing and SR busts?
AyahuascaSeeker13
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Westy: you're reasoning is deplaurable. What a waste of space that rambling was.
Tronica: I respect you, you are an intelligent woman who knows the ins and outs of this industry. You were not a dealer who called TT trying to come off as a wannabe Tony Montana. Your information was decent, honest and interesting.
Westy: Had nothing intelligent to say. He was boasting about being an Internet drug dealer and laid his pissy little police charges on his IKEA coffee table to show TT. Those of us who have dealt with LE for drug charges, I believe, would see this as being a joke.
Ryan West got an ICO for importing MDMA, Trafficking MDMA, and some bud. I got jail for a lot less. No one I know who doesn't lag in some way or another, gets off drug charges so easily.
In the world of dealing, using etc... Ryan West will forever be labelled as a dog. I'm sorry but that's how shit works. Unless Mr. West shows his transcript of interview, I don't believe for one second he didn't dob in people he sold to, or bought from to save his arse.
As for bitcoin Westy... I know the owner of the site you so beautifully promoted for him on TT, and he has already been contacted by certain task forces in relation to providing details of orders of BTC over a certain dollar amount.
Tronica, your great... Nothin but luv for ya
Westy, someone, somewhere will bring you down a peg, and knock your tooth back out of your lagging mouth.
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Tronica: I respect you, you are an intelligent woman who knows the ins and outs of this industry. You were not a dealer who called TT trying to come off as a wannabe Tony Montana. Your information was decent, honest and interesting.
Westy: Had nothing intelligent to say. He was boasting about being an Internet drug dealer and laid his pissy little police charges on his IKEA coffee table to show TT. Those of us who have dealt with LE for drug charges, I believe, would see this as being a joke.
Ryan West got an ICO for importing MDMA, Trafficking MDMA, and some bud. I got jail for a lot less. No one I know who doesn't lag in some way or another, gets off drug charges so easily.
In the world of dealing, using etc... Ryan West will forever be labelled as a dog. I'm sorry but that's how shit works. Unless Mr. West shows his transcript of interview, I don't believe for one second he didn't dob in people he sold to, or bought from to save his arse.
As for bitcoin Westy... I know the owner of the site you so beautifully promoted for him on TT, and he has already been contacted by certain task forces in relation to providing details of orders of BTC over a certain dollar amount.
Tronica, your great... Nothin but luv for ya
Westy, someone, somewhere will bring you down a peg, and knock your tooth back out of your lagging mouth.
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Oldred3s
Bluelighter
Westy you state that the cops didn't know about you using silken ad and importing drugs? Guess what? They do now mate and I would be surprised if they dont come back for you and slap you with a importation charge and throw you in jail. Still a dumb move and your reasoning is even more stupid? Do you think that your some kind of messiah where your gospel will make more people go online to order drugs from overseas? I doubt that mate. I have talked to a lot of friends that knew about the site but aren't going to do it because of the risk. "You want more people buying drugs online to put pressure on the government" pfft fuck off mate you stated buying MDMA for 5g for 300 bucks and then sell it for 2500. Your a thief mate. You did that article to gloat, you even have them a step by step guide on how to use the site. The only thing left out was the web address which no doubt was planted in there somewhere through the photography.
Tronika as aya said I too have a lot if respect for you, and there is a big difference between you and westy.
What you did was offer infomation from an intelectual point of view he basically showed the Australian viewers how to use the site and what he did.
Stating this is what I did and this is how I did it is snitching, revealing your source is snitching.
Any ways lets get off this topic of snitchy and continue discussion about the original reason this post was made.
Tronika as aya said I too have a lot if respect for you, and there is a big difference between you and westy.
What you did was offer infomation from an intelectual point of view he basically showed the Australian viewers how to use the site and what he did.
Stating this is what I did and this is how I did it is snitching, revealing your source is snitching.
Any ways lets get off this topic of snitchy and continue discussion about the original reason this post was made.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
The paragraph you quoted was mainly to point out the flaw in Westy's logic that Atlantis was 'snitching on itself', obviously there are cases where information sharing is not snitching and is news, I guess the two main questions I would ask are is the person doing the interview for self serving purposes or simply to share information. The other is, has the person been involved in whatever dealings the person or entity they are reporting on. I feel as though it is one thing as an academic or a reporter to go and do your own research and release information for the wider public but when you are an insider in the community that is being reported on this is what I consider snitching, dobbing in others for doing what you have done or continue to do. You can say that Westy only said how to order and the like but AS13 has pointed out a bitcoin provider is now being watched thanks to him.
I actually opened by saying I don't think he is as much of a snitch as others do, to call what he did openly snitching is probably over the top. However, it was a self serving, misguided, shitty act in my opinion though and he should of known a lot better. It's like just because he got his run with it who cares if he fucks it up for everyone else or gives away information that leads to busts down the track, eg. people being busted from LE monitoring bit coin trading sites they became aware of thanks to him. I guess it is pointless to speculate but I, like some others in this thread, have a hard time with how light he got off as someone who was both importing and trafficking MDMA and given his willingness to spill his guts on national television I don't think it is a huge stretch to think he probably talked about somebody. Either way, doing that interview was fucking stupid and I wont personally have any sympathy for him if there are repercussions down the line.
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I stand by my comments regarding threatening westy with violence, it cheapens our cause and justifies the general publics perception of us. As far as him snitching, the law isnt interested in buyers or customers, they are more interested in sellers which is fairly impossible when it comes to SR.
no offence, westy, but from your posts in this and other threads you come across as someone with low intelect and an attention whore. A part of me feels sorry for you that you didnt take the time to think about the reproductions of your actions, and only thought about being famous for 15 minutes for all the wrong reasons
no offence, westy, but from your posts in this and other threads you come across as someone with low intelect and an attention whore. A part of me feels sorry for you that you didnt take the time to think about the reproductions of your actions, and only thought about being famous for 15 minutes for all the wrong reasons
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
I agree apart from my comments of wanting (as immature as it is) to knock his teeth out
considering he looks 60kg dropping wet and me being 95kg, I'd prob hurt the kid more than I wanted to.This was all an attention seeking exercise by a lone wannabe, intellectually stunted, kid. Be funny if he was EnterTheMatrix, that "vendor" had all of Lygon Street after him.
Come to think of it... ETM vanished around the same time yes?
Ahhhh moving on.
person
Bluelighter
OMGWTF?? expect westy to be on a permanent investigation by the LE!! Very suspicious to get such a sentence as well hmmm, definately would have signed a contract as well as agree to certain terms by the courts. And getting paid for doing it, in fact if TT wanted his story THAT BAD he can actually make them pay up to $50k seriously, and considering court costs+lawyer it can cost almost $50k to get the results he wanted via court. At end of the day the more you pay the more your likely to get a lighter sentence. Of course depending on what the charges are.
I mean shouldnt that be at least 3 - 6 years especially for trafficking large amounts as what westy did? It wasnt for personal use thats for sure! I mean not even home detention (under 2 years). Also to say BTC is totally anonymous is total bullshit, just like an IP address, all LE requires is the BTC address, showing full transaction history via a public website! I mean all LE has to do is get a search warrant for the BTC company or even his ISP and TELCO.
Its just like the movies!! wiretapping, false electricians who go to apartment and install bugs, phishing+trojans is reality these days, I mean look at what edward snowden found out!! I actually wouldnt be surprised if LE/Court MADE westy say what he said on his claim to fame!! Sounds like a HONEY POT to me!
*You an run but you cant hide, and thats worldwide westy!!
*Tronica your an amazing unbiased professional journalist, keep up the great work
I mean shouldnt that be at least 3 - 6 years especially for trafficking large amounts as what westy did? It wasnt for personal use thats for sure! I mean not even home detention (under 2 years). Also to say BTC is totally anonymous is total bullshit, just like an IP address, all LE requires is the BTC address, showing full transaction history via a public website! I mean all LE has to do is get a search warrant for the BTC company or even his ISP and TELCO.
Its just like the movies!! wiretapping, false electricians who go to apartment and install bugs, phishing+trojans is reality these days, I mean look at what edward snowden found out!! I actually wouldnt be surprised if LE/Court MADE westy say what he said on his claim to fame!! Sounds like a HONEY POT to me!
*You an run but you cant hide, and thats worldwide westy!!
*Tronica your an amazing unbiased professional journalist, keep up the great work
AyahuascaSeeker13
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$50k in BTC is up for grabs for Westys address by two vendors selling... Guess what???? On SR.
What a damn Shame I don't know it, I could buy supplies of benzodiazepines to last me till I'm 50!
Sucks to be him.
What a damn Shame I don't know it, I could buy supplies of benzodiazepines to last me till I'm 50!
Sucks to be him.
poledriver
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Yeah, there was an article in DiTM (I think it was there) recently, about how more USA based bitcoin places are being watched and made to be 100% legit in their operations, any untoward transactions are going to be investigated or something along those lines.
Supercooljesus
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OMGWTF?? expect westy to be on a permanent investigation by the LE!! Very suspicious to get such a sentence as well hmmm, definately would have signed a contract as well as agree to certain terms by the courts. And getting paid for doing it, in fact if TT wanted his story THAT BAD he can actually make them pay up to $50k seriously, and considering court costs+lawyer it can cost almost $50k to get the results he wanted via court. At end of the day the more you pay the more your likely to get a lighter sentence. Of course depending on what the charges are.
I mean shouldnt that be at least 3 - 6 years especially for trafficking large amounts as what westy did? It wasnt for personal use thats for sure! I mean not even home detention (under 2 years). Also to say BTC is totally anonymous is total bullshit, just like an IP address, all LE requires is the BTC address, showing full transaction history via a public website! I mean all LE has to do is get a search warrant for the BTC company or even his ISP and TELCO.
Its just like the movies!! wiretapping, false electricians who go to apartment and install bugs, phishing+trojans is reality these days, I mean look at what edward snowden found out!! I actually wouldnt be surprised if LE/Court MADE westy say what he said on his claim to fame!! Sounds like a HONEY POT to me!
*You an run but you cant hide, and thats worldwide westy!!
*Tronica your an amazing unbiased professional journalist, keep up the great work
Get off the meth bro. Bitcoin is completely anonymous, you literally know nothing so stop talking. If it wasn't completely anonymous do you think vendors would be using It to move millions of dollars of drugs?
Have fun with your conspiracy theories, in the end it was his first offence and it wasn't even that much drugs, I'd say he got a pretty standard charge.
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