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The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

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Did anyone else see that really really bad report on drugs through the mail on today tonight last night (16th of July)?
Man it was pretty painfull to watch a bunch of morons talk.
They were all up in arms about people being able to order drugs off the net and that it needs to stop and the police need to do more about it to "protect their kids".
I have a pretty good idea on how to protect their children. Maybe they should have a proper talk to their kids about this new wave of drugs. Fuck some people are really stupid.
People have been taking drugs for fucking ages and its not going to stop. When are these morons going to learn this?
They even spliced in some of the footage from old mates gas bagging the other week.
I knew this was going to happen. To many conservative fuckwits that don't know what they are talking about watch today tonight.
I hate the fucking show but every time I watch channel 7 and see an add for something like these reports I feel I need to watch it.
 
I hate the fucking show but every time I watch channel 7 and see an add for something like these reports I feel I need to watch it.
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Why do you feel like you need to watch it? Do you like feeling outraged? That's all those shows are for. They are trash media which serve no purpose other than to stir shit up.

Of course they're going to trot out the same old bullshit: a mix of misinformation meticulously crafted to make people angry.

I get very frustrated by virtually every article in the media (print, broadcast, whatever form) which pertains to drugs because without fail, there will be inaccuracies. Sometimes little things, sometimes mind-blowingly huge errors, sometimes outright made up rubbish. The issue of legal and illegal substance use/misuse is incredibly complex, and sometimes it seems that it won't ever be cleared up because there is an inability to produce an article which does not contain at least one error in it.

If I were to put on my tin-foil hat, I'd almost wonder if it's a purposeful attempt by certain powers to keep the issues surrounding drug use obscured through perpetual reporting of misinformation so that nothing changes. For what reason they (whoever 'they' are) would want to keep the status quo is anybody's guess.
 
Halif said:
Why do you feel like you need to watch it? Do you like feeling outraged? That's all those shows are for. They are trash media which serve no purpose other than to stir shit up.

Of course they're going to trot out the same old bullshit: a mix of misinformation meticulously crafted to make people angry.

I get very frustrated by virtually every article in the media (print, broadcast, whatever form) which pertains to drugs because without fail, there will be inaccuracies. Sometimes little things, sometimes mind-blowingly huge errors, sometimes outright made up rubbish. The issue of legal and illegal substance use/misuse is incredibly complex, and sometimes it seems that it won't ever be cleared up because there is an inability to produce an article which does not contain at least one error in it.

If I were to put on my tin-foil hat, I'd almost wonder if it's a purposeful attempt by certain powers to keep the issues surrounding drug use obscured through perpetual reporting of misinformation so that nothing changes. For what reason they (whoever 'they' are) would want to keep the status quo is anybody's guess.
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To be honest with you, I don't know why I keep watching these stories.
I have a general interest in drugs so every time I see it or hear it in the media I am inclined to watch it to see what these people have to say about it. It's like watching the sport in tv I guess, maybe I like yelling at the TV. Hahaha.
I'm with you on the tinfoil hat bit, it does seem like these stories are made for that purpose. Especially when the story is finished the anchor always has a smug look on their face as tho to say "what you got now cunts?".
Ever since I was about 13 I had been reading articles and watching stories on drugs, drug bust etc etc. one of my favourite shows is border security and the force. How lame is that? I dispise police but I like watching them on tv
 
Halif said:
For what reason they (whoever 'they' are) would want to keep the status quo is anybody's guess.
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Stats and money for the police and justice departments. It keeps everyone in a job and gives them a reason to be all up in your shit. Just like terrorism does.
"We are looking for the (insert scary thing or person here) so we need more power and you have to give up some of your rights. Its a war you know."


It also gives the reporters something to report on even though I'm sure a lot of them are no stranger to the cheeky line here or there.
 
the drug war like all wars is profitable to certain groups and individuals.

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^ So Its working! The addiction rate hasn't increased, we should spend more money then!
 
Oldred3s said:
Especially when the story is finished the anchor always has a smug look on their face as tho to say "what you got now cunts?".
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Hopefully door to door anonymous delivery of anything you could dream of. (you cunts)
Maybe not straight away but maybe by the time all of us are old and wrinkly
 
Silk Road Drug Bust

German Police bust 3 of the biggest Vendors and associates seizing 18kg Amphetamines, Ecstacy, Meth, Cocaine quantity unknown. Cash, Accounts, Cars Seized with value of 700,00 euros.

The operatives stretched from Germany, Netherlands and Austria.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ermi...ernationalen-drogenring-a-910221.html#ref=rss

http://www.welt.de/regionales/muenc...r-zerschlagen-Bitcoin-Drogenring-DarkNet.html

Overall, the investigators searched 12 properties in the states of Baden-Württemberg, Berlin, Brandenburg and Bavaria - and found more than 18 kg amphetamine as well as cash, accounts, cars and real estate with a total value of around 700,000 euros safely.
The Viennese had constructed a flourishing e-commerce trade for ecstasy or MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines. In three months he had - working alone - made about 400 transactions through India, Australia and South Africa. Nearly 350 of these could be proved against him. The 25-year-old was convicted.

In the course of this arrest, the investigators also presented extensive evidence, including several computers. In evaluating the data, the investigators came to the suppliers of the Viennese, the Germans who lived in Bavaria.
Three dealers were arrested in Salzburg Vienna parallel to the investigation. Unlike their counterparts, the three Salzburg Viennese purchased their drugs directly from the same Germans and then sold on a large scale.

Police would place orders on the Silk Road website and ask for tracking, they would re-track the packages to where they are being sent. They placed officers on these locations and ordered more packages, the "runners" used the same place many times to send the packages, they were detained and then they went up the ladder.
 
poledriver said:
Silk Road Drug Bust

German Police bust 3 of the biggest Vendors and associates seizing 18kg Amphetamines, Ecstacy, Meth, Cocaine quantity unknown. Cash, Accounts, Cars Seized with value of 700,00 euros.

The operatives stretched from Germany, Netherlands and Austria.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ermi...ernationalen-drogenring-a-910221.html#ref=rss

http://www.welt.de/regionales/muenc...r-zerschlagen-Bitcoin-Drogenring-DarkNet.html

Overall, the investigators searched 12 properties in the states of Baden-Württemberg, Berlin, Brandenburg and Bavaria - and found more than 18 kg amphetamine as well as cash, accounts, cars and real estate with a total value of around 700,000 euros safely.
The Viennese had constructed a flourishing e-commerce trade for ecstasy or MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines. In three months he had - working alone - made about 400 transactions through India, Australia and South Africa. Nearly 350 of these could be proved against him. The 25-year-old was convicted.

In the course of this arrest, the investigators also presented extensive evidence, including several computers. In evaluating the data, the investigators came to the suppliers of the Viennese, the Germans who lived in Bavaria.
Three dealers were arrested in Salzburg Vienna parallel to the investigation. Unlike their counterparts, the three Salzburg Viennese purchased their drugs directly from the same Germans and then sold on a large scale.

Police would place orders on the Silk Road website and ask for tracking, they would re-track the packages to where they are being sent. They placed officers on these locations and ordered more packages, the "runners" used the same place many times to send the packages, they were detained and then they went up the ladder.
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Fuck!! I wonder which vendors they got?
Looks like tracking won't be available from vendors any more lol.
 
poledriver said:
Silk Road Drug Bust

German Police bust 3 of the biggest Vendors and associates seizing 18kg Amphetamines, Ecstacy, Meth, Cocaine quantity unknown. Cash, Accounts, Cars Seized with value of 700,00 euros.

The operatives stretched from Germany, Netherlands and Austria.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ermi...ernationalen-drogenring-a-910221.html#ref=rss

http://www.welt.de/regionales/muenc...r-zerschlagen-Bitcoin-Drogenring-DarkNet.html

Overall, the investigators searched 12 properties in the states of Baden-Württemberg, Berlin, Brandenburg and Bavaria - and found more than 18 kg amphetamine as well as cash, accounts, cars and real estate with a total value of around 700,000 euros safely.
The Viennese had constructed a flourishing e-commerce trade for ecstasy or MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines. In three months he had - working alone - made about 400 transactions through India, Australia and South Africa. Nearly 350 of these could be proved against him. The 25-year-old was convicted.

In the course of this arrest, the investigators also presented extensive evidence, including several computers. In evaluating the data, the investigators came to the suppliers of the Viennese, the Germans who lived in Bavaria.
Three dealers were arrested in Salzburg Vienna parallel to the investigation. Unlike their counterparts, the three Salzburg Viennese purchased their drugs directly from the same Germans and then sold on a large scale.

Police would place orders on the Silk Road website and ask for tracking, they would re-track the packages to where they are being sent. They placed officers on these locations and ordered more packages, the "runners" used the same place many times to send the packages, they were detained and then they went up the ladder.
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Very interesting. Quite smart police involved here.

I've been away from the road as soon as Westy opened his mouth here... Too much attention equals a lot of people soon to be busted and made examples of.

It's a damn shame, but a blessing at the same time.

What a crazy world we live in.
 
quite an interesting article....................

The Outlaw Cult

They are fugitives with a cult following. They are libertarians who disdain capitalism. They have evaded detection by determined journalists, private investigators and law enforcement organisations. And they can be very, very rich.
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Famous, yet unknown, pseudonymous outlaws are not new. Although they operate outside the law, they thrill us with daring escapades and defiance of authority - and perhaps, secretly, we don't want them to be caught.

''There have probably been outlaw heroes from the moment law was promulgated,'' says Graham Seal, professor of folklore at Curtin University. ''Their contentious and ambivalent status along the borders between right and wrong continues to fascinate us.''

In 1971, D.B. Cooper, the name used by a man flight attendants described as polite and handsome, hijacked a Boeing 727 aeroplane and parachuted from it with $200,000 ransom money, never to be heard from again. Entire societies are dedicated to finding out his true identity, dead or alive, and the FBI has an open file on him to this day.

Last year, four men in business suits ordered a drink at the bar at the top of the Rialto in Melbourne, then wedged the balcony door shut, donned the parachutes they had hidden in suitcases and jumped from the building, James Bond-style. Few people wanted to see the men - who were never caught despite saturation media coverage - prosecuted for the stunt.

These are one-off examples of high-risk escapades, but the internet has brought about a new era of pseudonymity; one in which outlaw figures can engage with followers, media and law enforcement for years while their true identities remain unknown.

What they have in common is they are (or were) wanted by the authorities, and often establish a cult following. They all claim libertarian, anti-capitalist, anti-authoritarian philosophies and have accumulated substantial wealth while maintaining anonymity.

British graffiti artist, social commentator and political activist Banksy is perhaps the best known of these. He has been active as a street artist since 1992 and over the years has moved up to pranks such as installing his own works in famous galleries and museums, or installing a life-sized mannequin dressed as a Guantanamo Bay prisoner as part of a Disneyland ride.

Although technically a vandal, it's unlikely law enforcers are searching for Banksy, whose works can command upwards of $1 million at auction. And chances are, if Wikipedia is to be believed, we probably know who he is but have decided to turn a blind eye in favour of the myth of the anonymous bad boy with a message.

Two figures who most certainly feature on law enforcement's radar are Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of crypto-currency Bitcoin, and Dread Pirate Roberts, owner of online illicit drugs emporium Silk Road.

Silk Road operates openly, in defiance of authorities, as an international marketplace bringing together buyers and sellers of everything from steroids to ecstasy, cocaine and heroin. It uses Bitcoin exclusively for transactions.

Bitcoin is a borderless digital currency that started out as a valueless computer code, but now has a market value of more than $US1 billion ($1.1billion), of which Silk Road's annual turnover probably accounts for between $20 million and $30 million. Not surprisingly, the website doesn't make its figures available.

Bitcoin was unleashed in February 2009, when a modest post appeared on an internet forum by someone calling himself Satoshi Nakamoto (male, 38, Japan): ''I've developed a new open source P2P e-cash system called Bitcoin … Give it a try.''

In the months after, Nakamoto made a series of posts on his forum, bitcointalk, describing the project in detail and revealing the motivation behind his invention as the mistrust of banks after the global financial crisis.

As experts recognised the genius in his invention, interest moved from a few early adopters in the IT sphere to the finance pages of the mainstream newspapers. And then, in early 2011, Nakamoto quietly disappeared.

Intrigue soon began to build about Nakamoto's true identity. It became apparent that no such person as Satoshi Nakamoto ever existed, nor did his website lead anywhere but dead ends. Nakamoto had stage-managed a believable persona well before launching the Bitcoin Project.

The 364 posts he made on bitcointalk, while lengthy and technical, revealed little about their author, other than he, she or they were a genius who had thought of and plugged every possible problem with, and potential attack upon, the currency.

In October 2011, The New Yorker printed a well-researched piece that identified Nakamoto as Michael Clear, a student of Trinity College, Dublin. Shortly after, Fast Company countered with equally compelling - and equally circumstantial - evidence that Nakamoto was a pseudonym for not one but three Munich-based men who had worked together to create Bitcoin.

The accused all emphatically denied it. But as Clear told The New Yorker, ''Even if I was I wouldn't tell you.'' Another accused, Neal King, told Fast Company: ''I'm cashing in on Warhol's prediction of 15 minutes of fame - albeit for something I didn't do.''

There has since been a flurry of investigation and speculation by journalists and internet sleuths. Some surmise it is those who have much to gain from the currency's success; perhaps the head of the Bitcoin Foundation or cryptocurrency exchange, Mt Gox. Others believe it is a pseudonym for a disruptive government or the CIA. American IT sociologist and philosopher Ted Nelson named maths genius Shinichi Mochizuki (male, 44, Japan) in April this year but, again, evidence was weak and he denied it.

As attempts to locate Nakamoto fail, his cult status grows. He doesn't appear to have made a single mistake yet; not in the code behind his invention, nor in covering his tracks, despite there being few people in the world who could possibly be him.

Although unclear whether he has committed any crime, an FBI report leaked on the internet last year expressed concern at the application of Bitcoin for illicit purposes, thanks to the anonymity careful users can maintain in transactions. Nakamoto could be accused of conspiracy to engage in money laundering or some form of tax evasion or a law against disrupting markets.

One of the illicit businesses named in the FBI report was Silk Road, led by the enigmatic Dread Pirate Roberts. Roberts is an active and visible member of Silk Road's large community, where he is hailed as a hero by those who believe it is their right to buy drugs without the interference of law enforcement bodies.

When asked why he was able to remain anonymous despite manhunts by authorities and journalists, Roberts said, ''Because my life, liberty and mission are more important to me than fame, convenience or comfort.'' He is the one person in this article to whom not a single name of a real person has been linked. Indeed, the only names that have been raised in speculation of Roberts' identity are other pseudonyms. One is BeHe, a bitcointalk.org user who ran a suspected ponzi scheme through the forum during 2012. Many thought it was a money laundering scheme that accepted investors' Bitcoins and returned them to Silk Road's funds.

The other is Nakamoto: according to The New Yorker, he briefly surfaced in April 2011, when he said he had ''moved on to other things''. Silk Road was born and announced on bitcointalk in February 2011 and was instrumental in the rise in the currency's value in 2011, although it no longer depends on the site for its stability.

But the evidence of either of these being true is flimsier than the circumstantial evidence linking Nakamoto to various people. Although both are prone to writing lengthy missives in their respective forums, Nakamoto's were all technical and scientific in nature, while Roberts espouses his agorist philosophy, sets reading challenges in his ''book club'' for member discussion and has even hosted a movie night, with site members around the world simultaneously watching and discussing V for Vendetta. Nakamoto uses UK English; Roberts' writing is in US English.

Although many would be appalled at the notion of drug dealer as hero, those who are against prohibition believe Silk Road offers a better, safer way for users to buy the drugs they will acquire anyway. As one member puts it, ''I came for the drugs and stayed for the revolution''.

Forbes recently published a collection of Roberts' quotes, describing him as a ''principled libertarian and cypherpunk in the same vein as WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto''.

In true cult style, his devotees keep begging to give him more money, despite the huge sums he earns in commission. They offer their services in IT or to work as moderators of the forums for free. When the site is unavailable due to malicious attacks or infrastructure failure, members offer to take up a collection to help instead of demanding it be fixed with the profits they provided. Roberts never accepts such offers, though the moderators of the forum were unpaid until early this year and some people donate money ''to the cause'' anyway.

With a curt admonishment, Roberts denied he is the object of cult-like devotion : ''don't go getting sensationalist on me now''.

Another theory is that the person now posting as Roberts may not be the founder of the site - the clue is in the name. When the marketplace started, the owner simply went by the name Silk Road. But in February 2012 he wrote: ''Silk Road has matured and I need an identity separate from the site and the enterprise of which I am now only a part. I need a name. Actually, I already have a name picked out … It is perfect on so many levels.'' He revealed this to be Dread Pirate Roberts - a character from The Princess Bride who is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor without anyone else knowing. The original owner of Silk Road may well have sold the business along with the goodwill of his name, and is now sipping cocktails in the Bahamas.

But as with many outlaws, it may be the money trail that leads to their undoing. Some of D.B. Cooper's loot was found in river lands in 1980, leading to the theory that he never survived the jump. Banksy's many commercial interests mean he must have accountants and advisers who know him.

Bitcoin has the unique feature of providing anonymity for holders, while every transaction is public. In May 2012, sleuths of bitcointalk identified Silk Road's Bitcoin ''wallet'' containing the equivalent of $55million at today's rate. The coins were subsequently moved, presumably laundered somehow, and have yet to be retraced.
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Last month, blogger Sergio Lerner uncovered a hoard of about $120million in Bitcoins that are owned by a single entity, and that entity began mining right from block one. Evidence points to the stash being owned by Nakamoto. That the coins remain untouched has sparked another round of conspiracy theories, such that he is dead, that the coins are held on a corrupted hard drive, or that he can't cash out without destabilising the currency or revealing his identity.

''One constant of outlaw heroes is that they are always villains to one or more sectors of society, particularly those holding power,'' Seal says.

There is little doubt that Banksy, Nakamoto and Roberts fit that bill.
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http://www.bombalatimes.com.au/story/1627613/the-outlaw-cult/?cs=5
 
AyahuascaSeeker13 said:
Does anyone else think the Russian Mob have a hand in the 3 main dark web sites? Or is it just my over thinking of things.

It just fits hand in hand with what the Russians are good at... IMO
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You could possibly right, I have always thought that Silk Road is Dutch, could even be Australian. Imagin it's Julian assange running it from the consulant
 
its possible that Atlantis has links to the Russian mob but I doubt SR and BMR are, although if you believe the rumours DPR may has sold SR at some stage and his name by default lends to the rumours Dread Pirate Roberts - a character from The Princess Bride who is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor without anyone else knowing so anything is possible.

I do believe that SR and BMR's longevity is due partly to either a single person running them, or very few. Unfortunately greed and jealousy usually bring down criminal enterprises with one or more member ratting out or turning over because of loose lips.

The dark webs are full of sites like these but on smaller scales, some are one man bands that have been vending from the dark webs long before SR or BMR opened their doors.
 
No sorry, she didn't provide any link on her post. It's the first I have heard of it.
 
Found a link for Deepbay, both the direct .onion and their forum, though posting it would violate BLUA right? It took me five seconds of searching to find it via google.
 
Thanks for posting that article mister, couldnt stop reading it.

Fuck yeah rich untouchable outlaw heroes
 
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