Harm Reduction Injecting heroin and methamphetamine together?

[TweakerBirdie]

I've always wanted to try heroin and meth together. Has anyone done this? Should it even be attempted? If so, at what dosages? I'm seriously considering doing it, but not until I have enough information to do it safely, if that's even possible.
Any info on the subject would be appreciated.

Background info:
I tried heroin for the first time last night (IV'ed) and liked it a lot, and I've been doing meth for about a year. I smoked about a half gram (shared between me and my best friend) a day up until 4 months ago, when I started IV'ing 0.1g at a time, 2 or 3 times a day. Now I'm IV'ing about 0.1g-0.2g at a time, 1-3 times a day generally (not every day).

Again, if this is a bad idea, I want to know. I would love to do this safely, but if it's not possible to do it without huge risks I will not do it. I'd prefer fact and advice over opinions and persuasion to not do it, though. For example, please say "This has killed people before/it could easily kill you" compared to "Don't do it!"
Thank you to anyone that reads this and answers. I really appreciate it.

 

[StartedHydro]

I would strongly advise against it, especially since this was your first time IVing H. When combining two substances of opposing natures in regards to body functions not knowing exact dosages, purity, and cutting agents does not allow for much wiggle room in regards to safety. I tried ONE time coke and H and never will again. I got a rather strong batch of H that time and when combined with coke once the plunger sank down it was very very overwhelming. My heart started racing, skipping beats, the coke caused a bellringer, followed by extreme sense of vomiting from the coke and H. My vision instantly went blurry, sweat started pouring out if me, hard time breathing. The initial feeling was quite enjoyable but it got overwhelmed by just how powerful that mixture was, it was by far the scariest event in my drug life. I have a rather decent tolerance to opiates, have been IVing for quite some time and that event was so profound even with all my expierences with substances that I will never do a speedball again.

You just have so little room for error with a combination like that, to me it's not worth it. I would save the H for the comedown or fiend stage instead of combining.

Just please be safe.

 

[dankplantgrower]

Man shooting up heroin and meth at the same time? Youre playing with a lot of fire boy. I wish you the best of luck on your combo, but please consider what direction your life is headed. Next we will see you with all the other dope fiends in the heroin thread talking about how unbearably sick you are from withdrawals, and wishing death on the person who introduced you to smack. Im not even going to guess what meth fiending will do on top of that. Youre gonna do what youre gonna do but please reconsider combo slamming the 2 most addictive drugs in existence. I dont mean to sound like a square but, damn man.

 

[draevon]

Has anyone done this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
This is the best source to start with in my opinion, as your post seemed as if you haven't heard about it before.

Don't ever redose, and start with a very, very small dose compared to your normal, if you were to try it (I do not recommend). That would be the hardest to do.
You know how you can always take more drugs but not less? Well, in this case, you can't really take more, either. You probably won't feel the pressure it puts on your body.

I won't state my opinion, though. I have no idea what being addicted to meth is like. Stay safe!

 

[Tommyboy]

I would advise against this especially since you are new to heroin. The meth might have you thinking the heroin wasn't enough making you do more, and then once the meth wears off you may find out (the hard way) that you did too much heroin.

 

[A2Z&NBETWEEN]

shoot i havent did this since i was like 17, a bit older now....i got a slight trip report, i advise a lil more h than speed personal preference say a lil shard double the h...very lil heat if possible, make sure you register abcess sux, say high to jahova for me

 

[TweakerBirdie]

I would strongly advise against it, especially since this was your first time IVing H. When combining two substances of opposing natures in regards to body functions not knowing exact dosages, purity, and cutting agents does not allow for much wiggle room in regards to safety. I tried ONE time coke and H and never will again. I got a rather strong batch of H that time and when combined with coke once the plunger sank down it was very very overwhelming. My heart started racing, skipping beats, the coke caused a bellringer, followed by extreme sense of vomiting from the coke and H. My vision instantly went blurry, sweat started pouring out if me, hard time breathing. The initial feeling was quite enjoyable but it got overwhelmed by just how powerful that mixture was, it was by far the scariest event in my drug life. I have a rather decent tolerance to opiates, have been IVing for quite some time and that event was so profound even with all my expierences with substances that I will never do a speedball again.

You just have so little room for error with a combination like that, to me it's not worth it. I would save the H for the comedown or fiend stage instead of combining.

Just please be safe.

Thanks for the answer! I appreciate it. And I definitely won't do it if all of the answers I get are like yours. I don't want to hurt myself.

 

[TweakerBirdie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
This is the best source to start with in my opinion, as your post seemed as if you haven't heard about it before.

Don't ever redose, and start with a very, very small dose compared to your normal, if you were to try it (I do not recommend). That would be the hardest to do.
You know how you can always take more drugs but not less? Well, in this case, you can't really take more, either. You probably won't feel the pressure it puts on your body.

I won't state my opinion, though. I have no idea what being addicted to meth is like. Stay safe!

I've heard of speedballs before, just only the kind with cocaine and heroin. I rarely hear of anyone using meth and heroin together, at the same time. I've heard of people using heroin for the meth comedown, but not injecting them together, in the same syringe.

 

[TweakerBirdie]

I would advise against this especially since you are new to heroin. The meth might have you thinking the heroin wasn't enough making you do more, and then once the meth wears off you may find out (the hard way) that you did too much heroin.

That's a very good point. Thank you.

 

[Tommyboy]

shoot i havent did this since i was like 17, a bit older now....i got a slight trip report, i advise a lil more h than speed personal preference say a lil shard double the h...very lil heat if possible, make sure you register abcess sux, say high to jahova for me

They only tried heroin once before so its dangerous advice to tell them to do more heroin than speed, especially since they have a meth habit so more h than meth would be overdose territory. Secondly, why heat it at all? Both are soluble in room temperature water, and its harmful to heat shots since it can lead to dissolving cuts that will later precipitate out of the solution once in your system causing you to have solid cuts being deposited and building up somewhere in your system.

 

[TweakerBirdie]

They only tried heroin once before so its dangerous advice to tell them to do more heroin than speed, especially since they have a meth habit so more h than meth would be overdose territory. Secondly, why heat it at all? Both are soluble in room temperature water, and its harmful to heat shots since it can lead to dissolving cuts that will later precipitate out of the solution once in your system causing you to have solid cuts being deposited and building up somewhere in your system.

You sound like you know exactly what you're talking about. I'm probably going to do it, I'm just asking about harm reduction for when I do do it. I want to know how to make it as safe as possible.

 

[Tommyboy]

Do you have an opiate tolerance at all, or was heroin the first one you tried?

 

[TweakerBirdie]

Do you have an opiate tolerance at all, or was heroin the first one you tried?

I have a bit of an opiate tolerance from popping painkillers every once in awhile. But only every once in awhile. So my tolerance to opiates is very low.
I would inject half as much H as I did last night, and probably 0.1g of meth with it (That's on the low side of what I usually inject). Does that sound okay? Would I need to heat it, or not? And is it okay if I put them both in the same syringe? I'll make sure I have someone that knows about heroin with me, just in case something happens. I definitely won't do it alone or with someone inexperienced.

 

[bunnymunro]

I've always wanted to try heroin and meth together. Has anyone done this? Should it even be attempted? If so, at what dosages? I'm seriously considering doing it, but not until I have enough information to do it safely, if that's even possible.
Any info on the subject would be appreciated.

Background info:
I tried heroin for the first time last night (IV'ed) and liked it a lot, and I've been doing meth for about a year. I smoked about a half gram a day up until 4 months ago, when I started IV'ing 0.1g at a time, 2 or 3 times a day. Now I'm IV'ing about 0.1g-0.2g at a time, 1-3 times a day generally (not every day).

Again, if this is a bad idea, I want to know. I would love to do this safely, but if it's not possible to do it without huge risks I will not do it. I'd prefer fact and advice over opinions and persuasion to not do it, though. For example, please say "This has killed people before/it could easily kill you" compared to "Don't do it!"
Thank you to anyone that reads this and answers. I really appreciate it.

To me, this sounds like you have recently discovered drugs, and embraced the nastiest, most hardcore drugs available with wild and reckless abandon and at rapidly escalating quantities and frequencies. Half a gram of meth a day??? Thats a lot of meth.
I know its not my place to say how much you should use or not, but I would say that you really are an extremist.
If you take to heroin with the same enthusiasm, well, I fail to see a long future in drug use for you.

Again, if this is a bad idea, I want to know. I would love to do this safely, but if it's not possible to do it without huge risks I will not do it.

Thanks for the answer! I appreciate it. And I definitely won't do it if all of the answers I get are like yours. I don't want to hurt myself.

You sound like you know exactly what you're talking about. I'm probably going to do it,

I would inject half as much H as I did last night, and probably 0.1g of meth with it (That's on the low side of what I usually inject).

Yep, so you will do it regardless...just keep inn mind that H rarely gives you a second chance, unlike meth, which is difficult to die on.

 

[Tommyboy]

It sounds ok as long as you are using the same batch of heroin as last time, otherwise use less heroin since a different batch may be more potent. It's a great idea to have someone with you when you do this. Narcan is the drug used to reverse opiate overdoses so let them know in case they need to call 911 in the event of an overdose.

 

[TweakerBirdie]

To me, this sounds like you have recently discovered drugs, and embraced the nastiest, most hardcore drugs available with wild and reckless abandon and at rapidly escalating quantities and frequencies. Half a gram of meth a day??? Thats a lot of meth.
I know its not my place to say how much you should use or not, but I would say that you really are an extremist.
If you take to heroin with the same enthusiasm, well, I fail to see a long future in drug use for you.






Yep, so you will do it regardless...just keep inn mind that H rarely gives you a second chance, unlike meth, which is difficult to die on.

I might do it, I might not. I really don't know, okay?
Thank you for the warning.
If I do decide to do it, I'll make sure I do minimal amounts of both drugs.
If I don't do it, then I guess I'll stick to doing them separately, if I do heroin at all anymore.

I discovered drugs about 3 years ago, so it wasn't really recent. I didn't go straight to the hardest, nastiest drugs, either. I started out smoking pot and drinking, just like a lot of people.

I failed to mention that I was going through a half gram of meth that was shared with my best friend. I forget that not everyone knows my life story, so I accidentally left that part out. We were using it very heavily for awhile, but now that she's not living with me anymore, I'm using way less. Closer to 0.2g or 0.3g IV'ed a day, a couple times a week.

Either way, thank you for the concern. I appreciate it. I'll keep your response in mind.

 

[TweakerBirdie]

It sounds ok as long as you are using the same batch of heroin as last time, otherwise use less heroin since a different batch may be more potent. It's a great idea to have someone with you when you do this. Narcan is the drug used to reverse opiate overdoses so let them know in case they need to call 911 in the event of an overdose.

I'll let them know. Thank you so much for all of your help! Your responses were amazingly helpful, trust me! But, can I put the meth and heroin in the same needle? And do I need to cook the heroin?

 

[Tommyboy]

If its tar heroin it takes longer to dissolve in water than powder heroin, but it can be done without heat. If it does seem to require heat [doesnt dissolve in room temp water after a while] then make sure that you allow it a few minutes to cool back down to room temp before drawing it up into the syringe. Can you put the two in the same syringe? I have no experience with this so cant say for sure but I'm sure it's been done.

 

[Morphling]

You can put the heroin and meth in the same syringe, yeah. You're going to have to use more water than you use whilst shooting up the meth alone. That's part of the risk factor, missing part of the shot due to vasoconstriction from the meth, I do believe. Missing is bad enough with meth, let alone with whatever cuts are in the heroin, so I'd dissolve the heroin and neutralize it with a bit of baking soda and let the cuts precipitate out before adding in the meth, at least if you're using BTH and not EC powder.

I know you don't want anyone to preach at you, but if you think meth addiction is bad, take it from someone who was hooked on heroin for a long time...it's even worse. You don't want a co-addiction, speed-ball style. It'll be much more expensive, and the withdrawals from heroin are horrible. I only shoot meth once or a few times a year, as I really don't need another problem like that. My sister's boyfriend shot up meth and heroin together, and ended up having to jump state due to owing some really bad people a lot of money due to both addictions. Sure it's a blast, but much riskier than shooting one or the other, and it's not going to end well if you end up hooked to heroin as well as IV meth.

What else...people puke from taking too large a shot of meth, and that happens as well with shooting too much heroin, so you might take a smallish dose of benadryl or promethazine prior to shooting up, it should help with the nausea. Let us know how it goes, and please stay safe!

 

[TweakerBirdie]

If its tar heroin it takes longer to dissolve in water than powder heroin, but it can be done without heat. If it does seem to require heat [doesnt dissolve in room temp water after a while] then make sure that you allow it a few minutes to cool back down to room temp before drawing it up into the syringe. Can you put the two in the same syringe? I have no experience with this so cant say for sure but I'm sure it's been done.

Okay. You've by far been the most helpful person to answer this thread so far, so thank you very much! I appreciate it a lot.