Do you believe in mediums? psychics? spiritual healers? experiences?

[RobotRipping]

why do people get all weird about evil spirits and such? Like there really is a good/evil distinction?

I am skeptical of those bullshit tv shows about evil spirits lol there is 0 evidence for any of it.

Remote viewing/prophetic dreams/shamanism/obes/lucid dreams are something i can relate to at least and accept that there is a possibility of their use, despite the fact remote viewing, though used by the CIA at one time, does not have sufficient evidence. However i think that things, every thing, is connected in such a way, and through conceptual understanding and intuitively understanding patterns, one can make accurate predictions of the future.

I kind of think that's where intuition comes from anyway. If this happens then this happens. So you see the event occurring and you know the outcome because of past experience, in which case you can predict the outcome that has yet to happen.

In terms of my experience with OBEs and lucid dreams, i tend to believe that the mind and body are separate but there's absolutely no evidence of such a thing. However again, my experience with psychedelics gives me the intuition that the mind is separate from the body, that we are a cosmic consciousness and can communicate in some form with each other, each thing because we are intimately connected, as we are all made up of matter, the same matter and energy that formed our Universe.

so is all this bullshit possible? i'd say yes but nothing has shown to be consistent and nothing has been verified by science, not yet anyway but that doesn't mean it can't/won't in the future. Intuition comes before the concept/idea can be deconstructed and understood. Whether one can have actual intuition is a good question, i believe so but again no evidence.

I remain agnostic on the subject but deep down i believe there's a way to tap into the collective consciousness of the Universe to gain insight/predict future trends or whatever other weird bullshit people can think of (not evil spirits tho).

 

[chasingabee]

Have you heard of Sylvia Browne? She’s a famous “psychic” who appears on television quite a lot especially on Montel Williams. One of the very many inaccurate psychic things she did was when, on the Montel Williams Show, she told Louwana Miller that her daughter Amanda Berry was dead. And then just recently we all saw on the news that Amanda was found in a house kept captive by a guy called Ariel Castro along with two other girls. And Louwana had died during that time believing that her daughter was dead.

My point is that psychics and such like are not only frauds who are just after your money, they can be sick immoral people as well.

Oh yeah and Sylvia Browne has agreed to take up James Randi’s challenge for the $1m but keeps making up excuses not to go through with it.

 

[What 23]

On the subject of remote viewing, I have nothing to say against it, unless you have something to say against my interpretations of "voices", which has happened in this board before, when I used a different username. I was ridiculed, and people basically diagnosed me as a paranoid schizophrenic high functioning, and highly advised me to "seek help" when I do fine as it is and am not medicated... Then a week after I left, one of the main guys that was pestering me calling me schizo in the spirit of "harm reduction" and "I care", I saw posted a thread on... Remote viewing. How in the fuck is that more accepted than a belief that spirits, fairies, angels, demons, etc, all exist, in some form, and that some communication could be derived, or message, or some insight might be had? How is it accepted and this is not? Why is the realm of voice hearing/talking with "spirits" kept at bay with a giant blind stick?

I'd rather not get into argument. Its just funny what some people accept as possible and what those same people scream mental institution toward. That in itself is crazy and just goes to show how tiny people are sometimes.

 

[Foreigner]

Have you heard of Sylvia Browne? She’s a famous “psychic” who appears on television quite a lot especially on Montel Williams. One of the very many inaccurate psychic things she did was when, on the Montel Williams Show, she told Louwana Miller that her daughter Amanda Berry was dead. And then just recently we all saw on the news that Amanda was found in a house kept captive by a guy called Ariel Castro along with two other girls. And Louwana had died during that time believing that her daughter was dead.

My point is that psychics and such like are not only frauds who are just after your money, they can be sick immoral people as well.

Oh yeah and Sylvia Browne has agreed to take up James Randi’s challenge for the $1m but keeps making up excuses not to go through with it.

Sylvia Browne is a fraud who was debunked a long time ago. Her appearances on the Montel Williams show never had any follow ups to the predictions she told. I remember famously in one episode she told a woman that her husband died of drowning, only to have the widow say that he died in the World Trade Center on 9-11! After an awkward pause, Browne kept insisting that he still died of drowning, and maybe a fire hose broke somewhere in the building.

She is one of the most outrageous charlatans to ever make it big, and she gives real psychics a bad name.

 

[The Dr]

I agree with everyone saying they are a load of bullshit. My friend is permanently fucked up (okay not permanent, but it fucks with her) because of a medium and swears by her life that she "saw her friend that was dead". Total bull shit, must of given her a drink laced with some.. I don't even know. She even listens to the recording 6 months later and just balls her eyes out, it's ridiculous. Your friend must be looking down on you from heaven saying, god your an idiot, wasted 250 dollars on this lady to just manipulate your mind. Sorry if that comes across as harsh but, don't waste your money. I doubt your friend, wherever they are, would want you doing something like that anyway. At least I wouldn't, and probably everyone else. Not to mention, this girl has always been mentally ill so, she's very sideways...

 

[RobotRipping]

How in the fuck is that more accepted than a belief that spirits, fairies, angels, demons, etc, all exist, in some form, and that some communication could be derived, or message, or some insight might be had? How is it accepted and this is not? Why is the realm of voice hearing/talking with "spirits" kept at bay with a giant blind stick?

I'd rather not get into argument. Its just funny what some people accept as possible and what those same people scream mental institution toward. That in itself is crazy and just goes to show how tiny people are sometimes.

well i'm not going to deny voices in your head or whatever, i've been in full psychosis and i still can't tell you whether any of it was real or not, it's that fucking convincing. The CIA may very well have been trying to recruit me through secret messages, i have no idea.

I deny angels, demons and stuff like that because it just seems silly. If there is a cosmic consciousness and pantheism is true (which is where my beliefs lie) then things like remote viewing are possible. Things like communication with entities and entity contact are possible. Things like OBE's, the mind separating from the body are possible. But angels and demons... no those are just silly human attributes we project on to things, like thinking God is some strong white man with a burly white beard... yeah sure, God really would look like that.

Don't call them spirits, call them entities and i am with you on it. That is in my realm of possibilities. The word spirits just conjures up a whole bunch of images of bullshit christian ideology that has for far too long dominated the consciousness of the sheep of this world. Same for angels and demons. Are there intermediary entities that exist that we can communicate with? well of course, ever smoke DMT? Those entities are still individuals, i've never had correspondence with a unifying force other than feeling that sense of unity itself, which is why i refer to them as intermediary entities lol.

 

[Foreigner]

^ So it's the terminology that triggers you into skepticism? I agree that new language needs to be invented for discussing all of this without succumbing to historical cultural biases; but when someone says they had an angelic experience or a demonic experience, I don't go and assume they are having a Christian-like delusion. It might just be the language that they use to describe something similar that has happened to me. On psychedelics I have seen things that I could coin angelic or demonic. They are just placeholder words, right?

I do acknowledge though that the existence of entities, if real, likely means they are multitudinous and diverse, and not cast into black or white. And as we discussed in the insanity vs. sanity thread, the difference between someone who merely hears voice and a schizophrenic is a medical diagnosis, and it usually arises from their level of socital functionality. Are we prepared to stigmatize everyone who hears voices as pathological?

 

[Maya]

To answer your question yes I believe in psychics, mediums and spirits even witches. You can read my post about Witchcraft or http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/681590-Supernatural-Truth-or-Myth about my experiences of supernatural phenomena.

 

[jpgrdnr]

Beyond the shitty atheist vs. theist debate, it has to be said that a lot of this stuff only gains legitimacy when you believe it yourself. Going to see a shaman, or a mystic and being skeptical and looking for proof, or being casually spiritual isn't something you should do. Don't be a tourist.

 

[RobotRipping]

^ So it's the terminology that triggers you into skepticism? I agree that new language needs to be invented for discussing all of this without succumbing to historical cultural biases; but when someone says they had an angelic experience or a demonic experience, I don't go and assume they are having a Christian-like delusion. It might just be the language that they use to describe something similar that has happened to me. On psychedelics I have seen things that I could coin angelic or demonic. They are just placeholder words, right?

I do acknowledge though that the existence of entities, if real, likely means they are multitudinous and diverse, and not cast into black or white. And as we discussed in the insanity vs. sanity thread, the difference between someone who merely hears voice and a schizophrenic is a medical diagnosis, and it usually arises from their level of socital functionality. Are we prepared to stigmatize everyone who hears voices as pathological?

yes the terminology is my issue, angels and demons carry certain connotations like that there is a God and a Devil, heaven and hell, all of which to me, are ridiculous ideas. I think to transcend this train of thought that has been embedded in western culture for so long, we must switch words at least. I get that the words are place holders but to communicate properly, i must use different words that do not carry a sense of good/evil with them.

is it at all logical that there would be a hierarchy of unity? going from oneness to say DMT elves to humans/humanoid type physical beings to animals/insects to plants to rocks to pure energy/matter? just thinking about that sounds like a bad set up for an argument. If there's a hierarchy in a system, it's almost always the result of a human projection, which kind of defeats my theory of intermediary entities.

At the same time i think there are levels of consciousness, but if that's the case aren't inequalities created between entities with greater consciousness (ie closer to unity/singularity) than ones that are far from it? like rocks?

I think many schizophrenics hearing voices are just failing to realize that the dialogue they are hearing is their own. That's what happened to me during psychosis, that's what happens each time i smoke salvia. All of the sudden i have these thoughts that i don't associate with my ego and then i feel entity contact but i think it's merely the result of my brain not associating those thoughts with myself. Physically, where else could they be coming from? If there were an external source, we'd likely have been able to tune into it already and have figured it out.

that's why i remain agnostic for the most part on the issue. I'll trust my intuitions but if they are wrong, it'll be no surprise to me. I'd be more surprised if they were correct. It's only my experiences with strange/mystical experiences, psychedelics and synchronicities/lucid dreaming/sleep paralysis that make me think there's something more than what we see on the surface.

 

[What 23]

I understand the issue with words.

 

[Pretty_Diamonds]

Update:

It was total BS. He had NO idea what he was talking about. Lies. Told me that I need to buy a turquoise necklace to connect more with the holy spirit and tried to sell me his stupid book. I was like, I don't want your book. And he was like, I'm sensing a lot of anger. I was fuming. What a waste of $80!

Anyhow, I made an appt with another "psychic/medium" that's actually a local favorite (3 months booked).. I still believe.... I just don't think that guy was fo real. Hopefully, I get better luck with the next one...

 

[Pretty_Diamonds]

Beyond the shitty atheist vs. theist debate, it has to be said that a lot of this stuff only gains legitimacy when you believe it yourself. Going to see a shaman, or a mystic and being skeptical and looking for proof, or being casually spiritual isn't something you should do. Don't be a tourist.

I am skeptical.. but I'll lay a few cards.. not all. I mean, I want to keep an open mind but I don't want to be giving him all the facts and details.

I'm giving it an extra try (with a more well known psychic/medium). She's very popular because she talks a lot.. like as soon as you enter, she'll just start spitting out stuff... until you stop her and ask a question. They say she talks so fast that you need to be able to write fast to make sure you get everything done. Since I'm going to be going there for a particular reason-- I think I can try and make her stay on point.

THIS guy I went to kept closing his eyes and "connecting with my sister". Anyhow, lots of pauses and he started going into simple questions which I answered yes/no. WRONG: Older sister. Drug OD. Self-inflicted. Not an accident.
Um..no, baby sister--drowning. AND he didn't even mention my father who also drowned.

I don't know. He said that she was hesitant in connecting with her and almost annoyed that I was trying to do this. WHICH is unbelievable... I mean, it's my baby sister. She would not be mad nor annoyed. Then he concluded it with, "Babe, just move on and get along with your life". Yeah, she's 11! She wouldn't ever called me "babe" :rollseyes:.

 

[T. Calderone]

That's terrible you got ripped off. I am so sorry this happened to you.
Just know that your loved ones are still with you in spirit.

 

[Magickduck]

I am skeptical.. but I'll lay a few cards.. not all. I mean, I want to keep an open mind but I don't want to be giving him all the facts and details.

I'm giving it an extra try (with a more well known psychic/medium). She's very popular because she talks a lot.. like as soon as you enter, she'll just start spitting out stuff... until you stop her and ask a question. They say she talks so fast that you need to be able to write fast to make sure you get everything done. Since I'm going to be going there for a particular reason-- I think I can try and make her stay on point.

THIS guy I went to kept closing his eyes and "connecting with my sister". Anyhow, lots of pauses and he started going into simple questions which I answered yes/no. WRONG: Older sister. Drug OD. Self-inflicted. Not an accident.
Um..no, baby sister--drowning. AND he didn't even mention my father who also drowned.

I don't know. He said that she was hesitant in connecting with her and almost annoyed that I was trying to do this. WHICH is unbelievable... I mean, it's my baby sister. She would not be mad nor annoyed. Then he concluded it with, "Babe, just move on and get along with your life". Yeah, she's 11! She wouldn't ever called me "babe" :rollseyes:.

Listen, if you are actually interested in this stuff, it is something you will need to practice yourself or find a close friend who understands it. You won't be able to trade $$ for it (doubtful)

 

[RobotRipping]

^agreed i don't think it's impossible to connect with spirits and such but going to a medium and paying money is not going to get you anywhere. Psychedelics personally open up all kinds of possibilities, whether they are real or not, meditation as well will help, as well as reading and learning about spirituality with an open yet critical mind.

If people like Sylvia Brown are the best in the business, then that really shows you that the whole industry is a fraud, likely because it is an industry in the first place. I would think a true medium would help people for the sake of helping people and that would be all the payment they would need. If they are so caught up in gaining popularity and material wealth then they are obviously not very enlightened people.

 

[Foreigner]

If people like Sylvia Brown are the best in the business, then that really shows you that the whole industry is a fraud, likely because it is an industry in the first place.

She isn't even a psychic.

I would think a true medium would help people for the sake of helping people and that would be all the payment they would need. If they are so caught up in gaining popularity and material wealth then they are obviously not very enlightened people.

Why can't they use their talents as a service like with any other ability? Psychics have to eat too.

 

[Magickduck]

She isn't even a psychic.



Why can't they use their talents as a service like with any other ability? Psychics have to eat too.

I simply don't think many of them are doing anything real or have any faith in themselves and know they are scammers... Also, though I am not a psychic, I would never EVER use any of my "abilities" [that we all have] to make money, it would feel blasphemous and feel like it'd be attached to some dark/negative energy and I just wouldn't fuck around like that.

And mostly because morally its wrong to prey upon vulnerable people, people who are likely struggling with something very serious and are vulnerable and desperate for something real and yeah many take whatever they are told as truth and to me anyway, thats terrible.

 

[jpgrdnr]

Pretty_Diamonds: I'll be a bit clearer. There's no quick fix for grieving. Get religion. Drop acid. See a counsellor. Whatever, we can only suggest things so far. You have to make that spiritual journey, and hell, some people never come to terms with a family members death.

 

[RobotRipping]

She isn't even a psychic.



Why can't they use their talents as a service like with any other ability? Psychics have to eat too.

Sylvia Browne describes herself as a psychic i don't give a shit what she is though.

It's not noble to knowingly lie to people and affect their emotions on such a deep level and then take money for it. What fucking talents? bullshitting people? A real psychic would be fed amazing meals and live a tremendous life probably because the CIA would have picked them up long ago.

As well, someone so enlightened would not see the need in bringing in more money than they need to sustain themselves, so there's nothing wrong with using your abilities to feed you but there is something wrong with using your 'talents' to build a fortune and become famous.

you know, not doing something as a means to an end but doing something as an end in itself? it can't be that hard to understand. If you're an artist, you draw/paint/whatever because you love it and that's enough. You don't draw/paint/whatever for money/fortune/fame. Means to an end vs. end in itself. Same with music, you play it because you love it, money or not. If you get rich and famous because you love music so much then so be it, that was a by product of your love but if you played music just to become famous/rich you are a douche bag.