Okay so am I safe to take tonight and what should I avoid in hours before rolling?

[R3PTIL3]

Okay so today's my birthday and I plan on rolling with one or two friends at a friends house about maybe 1.5 - 2 miles away (literally walk there and back most days although it does tire me out). I have I reckon I have about .4 of good quality MDMA at max, but don't plan on taking that much straight away and the guy I'm with has a few grams so quantity isn't a problem...

So some background info:

Rolled first time ever Tuesday 11th June 2013 took about a 125mg ish (split a gram which was actually .9 into eight lines and bombed one), waited about 1 hour 30 - 40 mins, wasn't really feeling anything, so railed about the equivalent (about half of the dose up each nostril) of another 125mg's. Eventually came up really fucking nice and then the bomb kicked in and I also smoked a bowl which fucked me up a lot, I was kindda like being pissed walking / coordination) jaw clenching, extremely vivid hallucination at one point, I did get the loved up E effect mainly when the rails hit, but by the time the bomb / bowl had hit it was too much and I forced myself to go lie down as everything was getting dysphoric and uncomfortable.

Second time I rolled was Tuesday 18th June, decided didnt want such an intense trip so only took what I reckon to be anywhere between 40 - 60 mg's, about an hour after eating. Heard that redosing is bad so I didn't take any more or smoke any weed and I just ended up getting a super anxious, panicky 'come up' for a couple hours, after which I crashed and felt 'dead' coming down so went and smoked a bowl of weed and felt fine.

Haven't taken any MDMA since then because it really scared me with the under dose (was so uncomfortable, got no euphoria or anything, just mad anxiety and panic attacks, kept thinking was gonna over heat and splashing myself with cold water and even climbed out a window to stand outside haha, but didn't feel 'out of it', I had perfectly formed and conscious thought and if anything felt more intelligent than usual, yet unfortunately still crashed hard a few hours after taking) so it's been two weeks and one day since I took the under dose and 3 weeks and 1 day since I first tried (yes I'm aware of the one month rule, but today's my birthday and wanna have at least one good experience with this)

I've got about 10 x 10mg Valium and the guy im with will have a load, also got 3 grams of weed for the comedown and a load of vitamins (including my mums which have loads of B vitamins in) to replace seratonin levels and try and help my brain repair.

My primary questions are:

- Will taking some valium / smoking a small bit of weed / both (if so how long / how much) before dropping the 100 - 150mg in a rizla (or more likely insufflate as im about to eat a big ass KFC meal and dont wanna wait all night to come up slowly) get rid of the anxiety I seem to get everytime? (Feel like breathings out of control / fast / heart beating too fast / anxious as fuck about strokes or heart attacks)
- How should I react if I feel like it's getting too intense etc on the peak or if I'm coming up way too hard, would dosing 10mg or maybe even 20mg of Valium be a good idea to calm me down (although would it kill the high?)
- I've taken quite a lot of Valium already today, maybe 50mg's in total throughout the day and smoked about half a gram of weed, will this effect me coming up later as I'm feeling quite tired and am already drinking cans of Relentless energy drink to keep me alert
- How long should I avoid caffeine before consuming the MDMA as I heard they're a really bad combo? I just drank an energy drink but wont be dropping for another 4 - 5 hours at least and will have had a meal etc by then anyway
- How likely is it i'll be able to walk or skate home 1.5 - 2 miles on the start of a comedown (as that's probs when I'll decide to leave, although I will be on val and weed probably) at like 3 - 6 am? Should start getting light but at seafront so gonna avoid the beach / any bodies of water / any main roads if I can to make sure I don't do anything retarded.

 

[R3PTIL3]

Bump. Please guys, will be happening very soon and I don't wanna take valium first then kill the Mandy peak

 

[stanmarsh]

The following is only based on my personal experience:

-a half-dose like you took the second time can cause the anxiety and antsy feeling you described. This has happened to me more than once, I try to avoid smaller (~50mg) doses. I am sure other people feel otherwise, though.
-If I was worried about anxiety during my roll, I would avoid caffeine and weed, except maybe a few hits on the comedown...I wouldn't try to counteract this with valium, it will probably deaden your roll. Actually 50mg of valium would probably kill my roll even if i took it earlier in the day, but I have no benzo tolerance.
-If youre familiar with the area (you said you walk it all the time), I don't think you should have a problem walking home...the standard late-night walking precautions apply.

 

[R3PTIL3]

The following is only based on my personal experience:

-a half-dose like you took the second time can cause the anxiety and antsy feeling you described. This has happened to me more than once, I try to avoid smaller (~50mg) doses. I am sure other people feel otherwise, though.
-If I was worried about anxiety during my roll, I would avoid caffeine and weed, except maybe a few hits on the comedown...I wouldn't try to counteract this with valium, it will probably deaden your roll. Actually 50mg of valium would probably kill my roll even if i took it earlier in the day, but I have no benzo tolerance.
-If youre familiar with the area (you said you walk it all the time), I don't think you should have a problem walking home...the standard late-night walking precautions apply.

Appreciated, thanks. I intend to avoid a small dose, and yet not a massive dose intranasally I think will work best. I might smoke some weed while I'm peaking would this be a good idea? Especially / particularly when walking home? Also on the walk home would it be a good idea to take 5 or 10 mg's of Valium or perhaps smoke a spliff to make myself feel a bit less of the effects of the MDMA... Or should I just bump more Mandy (which I've heard is a bad idea regardless) to keep me awake and alert till I get home... then take a load of weed and valium?

Also quick novice question, how long is the come up when snorted / bombed in a rizla, respectively (two separate answers preferably) and how long will I be rolling for? Will it only be 3 - 4 hours like my underdose or like all night and sort of weirdly, but not buzzing just-super-out-of-it, the next day like when I took 250mg's my first time?

Appreciate help, thanks!

 

[matt2012]

No you are not OK to roll again for 3 months. you can get away with rolling close together once in a great while but then you need to take a proper break from MDMA to allow you brain time to recover. taking it again this early is going to increase your tolerance, cause you to have a worse comedown and hangover. If you continue to roll this close together you are soon going to see the bad effects start to filter in.

Take steps now to be a responsible MDMA user and avoid the side effects now before you end up like so many you read about on here. Do you think we spout the 3 month rule for our health? Yes we do...but we mostly do it for you so that you don't have to go through that we already have.

Taking valium before a roll is a good way to reduce the effects of your MDMA. too much weed before your roll is a good way to reduce or cover up completely the effects of your MDMA.

eating a shit tone before your roll is a good way to have a prolonged comeup (if you come up at all)

The best way to limit come up anxiety is to take a smaller dose. next after that is to find something to take your mind off the fact that you just took drugs. do something other than sit there and wait for the effects and you will have a much easier comeup IME.

There is nothing wrong with caffine and MDMA. alot of people like it because they are less likely to be floored all night and have energy to dance and socialize. the problem is that is give people anxiety so since you are trying to avoid that you should avoid cafine for 3-4 or more hours before you roll.


I know this is a bit late but....any one telling you it is OK to roll that many times, that close together, is inept.