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JustaChippa

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This happened to me not long ago. A fairly recent new acquaintance called me and told me her friend had something I was looking for, and told me to meet them in a parking lot downtown. To give a little background, just the day before, we'd been talking, and I'd told her that I never, under any circumstances, do anything in a public place. There are cameras everywhere nowadays, and the police in this city are on this new "zero tolerance" kick, or something like that. It's just really stupid to be doing anything in public when it's not necessary, and no matter how the trade-off is done, it looks like what it is. I have a good reputation, a kid I love, and a completely clean record. She was agreeing with me all over the place about my policy, so when she called to tell me where to meet, I figured we'd all just drive up the road and conduct business at her place, as she lives less than ten minutes from where she'd designated where we were to meet.

However, she came out of the car and handed me something right through the window! :? It was fortunate that I'd stashed my cash in my back pocket, so I handed it to her as surreptitiously as possible, and made to get the fuck up on out of there. Well, then she stands there, wanting to bullshit! Even Dude was like, "come on Heather, get back in the fucking car and let's GO!"

When I got home, I sent her a long, involved text letting her have it for putting me in that situation. It put me, herself, and Dude in danger. I told her that it was never to happen again, and trust me, this bitch does not want to lose me as a friend, as I drive her ass all over town and have even given her small amounts of cash, smokes, etc., because she's on Disability and doesn't have much.

So, what is everyone else's policy or code regarding where and how meet-ups and transactions are done? Am I the only one with a healthy dose of paranoia, and, am I being paranoid? I fail to see why this shit has to happen in public when people have perfectly good homes nearby, homes with four walls and safety and privacy. This was her one and only chance, and if she tries to pull that shit on me ever again, I'm going to tell her to lose my number. She's sort of a stupid, dippy, shysty bitch anyway, and I used to feel sorry for her, but I'm not dealing with anyone with so little regard for their freedom or their reputation, because that shit matters to me. Ten minutes convenience, to me, was not worth the potential consequences. I hightailed it back onto the freeway at record speed.

Iused to know someone else back a long time ago who liked to meet on the sides of busy roads, but I refused to do it anymore, ad she began coming to my home, or I to hers. (We lived five minutes apart!)

I hope y'all will share your experiences and your own policies with me. (I understand that doing business in cities with open air markets is quite a different ballgame, but I have never experienced that.)
 
weekend addiction said:
To me long exchanges seem less shady than a wham-bam-thank-you-mam. No one is going to think your buying narcotics if it takes you 5 minutes to end your transaction. You look more like people that bumped into each other at the supermarket.
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I agree it can look more innocent that way, but with all the cameras about these days, I wasn't sure what had been seen and maybe reported. Also, this was not a place where people would be likely to bump into a friend randomly. It was downtown at a truck rental/self-storage place. My hinky meter was sounding the alarms, and had it not all happened so quickly, I'd have stood my ground about driving ten minutes up the fucking road to her house.
 
Go to house or apartment, cop, chill for 10 minutes, leave.

This unwritten rule hasn't failed since the dawn of time...
 
^unless the people have traffic coming thru their house all day. Then that makes me even more 'noid.

You have a right to be sketched though. I was in jail with this chick who i went to high school with and was in the court house holding tanks her and of course had to ask why the hell she was there, she used to be in the advanced classes and BS. Anyway, her friend needed oxy and she was just doing the chick a favor and had the dude holding and her friend both meet her at wal mart parking lot. She ran from her car, to the dealers car, then to her friends car to deliver the goods. Apparently police watched this, and arrested here and charged her with sales and she was telling me how she was fucked because walmart handed over security tapes. She serves over a year for that dumb shit, even having a prior clean rap. But alaska courts hand you the book pretty hard.

I used to go searching for chiva in the homeless district of los angeles, which is crawling with cops. No caution or discretion used by anyone whatsoever.
 
Wow. Seems like you're overly paranoid. Annoying even.
I'd rather deal in public than have drug dealers coming to my house, or going to a drug dealers house.
You NEVER know how many people go in & out of that house, and for all you know, they could be under surveillance.
We call that - Hotspots. & Is usually how people get raided. If the house has alot of activity then it's definitely being watched & only a matter of time before someone gets caught up.
But that's the risk you take when doing drugs.

Oh, and to answer your question - I don't meet up with dealers. I cop in open air.
 
ohshea said:
^unless the people have traffic coming thru their house all day. Then that makes me even more 'noid.

You have a right to be sketched though. I was in jail with this chick who i went to high school with and was in the court house holding tanks her and of course had to ask why the hell she was there, she used to be in the advanced classes and BS. Anyway, her friend needed oxy and she was just doing the chick a favor and had the dude holding and her friend both meet her at wal mart parking lot. She ran from her car, to the dealers car, then to her friends car to deliver the goods. Apparently police watched this, and arrested here and charged her with sales and she was telling me how she was fucked because walmart handed over security tapes. She serves over a year for that dumb shit, even having a prior clean rap. But alaska courts hand you the book pretty hard.

I used to go searching for chiva in the homeless district of los angeles, which is crawling with cops. No caution or discretion used by anyone whatsoever.
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See that car shit gets you in trouble. I'll take the house or apartment over looking like a sketch ball in my ride for 15+ minutes waiting for my late ass guy who pops in and pops out any day, or even worse I gotta give him a ride if I'm paranoid. It's also always easier for cops to search a car compared to a house. And the chances that you'll be there if they plan on busting the place are pretty slim unless you start hanging a lot.

But for people like @JunkieDays open air might be the safest. What's the smartest move depends on location I think; urban vs. suburbs vs. country, something like that.
 
I think you are underestimating how little some dealers want to work out of their house.
Even if it's known where they live, etc, there's still tons that don't want the traffic, sketchiness that comes with junkies popping by.
Also, I don't know if this is the case with her, but IME I've dealt with a lot of people that will just bring what you need to a meet. That's all they'll have on them.
They're anxious as hell to get that shit out of their hands. Toss it in the car, etc. Once you're in possession, they get more friendly, wanna shoot the shit cause you got the potential felony in your hands.
Obviously if a squad car were to roll up they could still get wrapped into it, but it seems like dealers relax, become friendlier once those bundles are out of their hands.
Anyhow.... Feel paranoid? Scope out a spot and look for street cams. There's ways to see them.
Figure a spot that looks clean, somewhat populated and safe, make the handoff and get the fuck out.
Over thinking beyond that is asking for unforeseen complications, IMO.
If she won't go along with it, find a different dealer. Just trust me, heading to their house is its own ball a wax.
 
95Land said:
I think you are underestimating how little some dealers want to work out of their house.
Even if it's known where they live, etc, there's still tons that don't want the traffic, sketchiness that comes with junkies popping by.
Also, I don't know if this is the case with her, but IME I've dealt with a lot of people that will just bring what you need to a meet. That's all they'll have on them.
They're anxious as hell to get that shit out of their hands. Toss it in the car, etc. Once you're in possession, they get more friendly, wanna shoot the shit cause you got the potential felony in your hands.
Obviously if a squad car were to roll up they could still get wrapped into it, but it seems like dealers relax, become friendlier once those bundles are out of their hands.
Anyhow.... Feel paranoid? Scope out a spot and look for street cams. There's ways to see them.
Figure a spot that looks clean, somewhat populated and safe, make the handoff and get the fuck out.
Over thinking beyond that is asking for unforeseen complications, IMO.
If she won't go along with it, find a different dealer. Just trust me, heading to their house is its own ball a wax.
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Oh believe me, I know. I moved to a mid-sized city to a smaller college town, and it's just more laid-back. The houses are spread apart right when u get out of the village. People will be throwing barbeques, having their friends come over and chill, all while doing heavy business. Cops mostly just care about drunk college idiots. Fuck some college towns are nice...
 
I don't like going to a large dealer's house, but I don't mind going to a friend who's just hooking me up. If not that, I would rather use a large, crowded parking lot. No one looks twice at you. It's also easy to keep an eye out for cops. Even if the cops did stop you, unless they've been keeping tabs on you, they aren't going to have a warrant to search you and you control whether they have probable cause. As long as you make it known they can't search you without one, you're safe. If they do it anyway, even a public defender can get you off.

I have one friend who's scared of parking lots, and makes stupid demands that we meet along secluded country roads. I hate it. Despite there being fewer people and a smaller chance of cops happening upon you, the whole thing looks sketch as hell. Those sobers that fill parking lots in town come in handy for misdirection and cover. Without them, you're dealings outside the house are painfully obvious.
 
Yeah, I don't know any actual "dealers", just friends and friends-of-friends. For this reason, I think conducting business inside a dwelling makes more sense.

Maybe I am annoyingly paranoid, LOL!! That's kind of why I started this thread: to get other peoples' takes on what constitutes a reasonable balance between safety and convenience. There has to be a happy medium, right? :D Maybe I'm just not cut out for the game. (I mostly just dabble anyway nowadays. Years ago, my habit had me by my nonexistent balls, but I have really slowed my roll.)
 
^A healthy amount of paranoia can keep you out of jail or even keep you from losing your life.
For every drug user/dealer that's chill and can be trusted, there's 10 that can't.
It does make a big difference that you only deal with middlemen types that have just randomly grabbed some dope somehow.
Is it possible to find actual connects/dealers where you're at? That could help a lot. Could possibly find someone willing to deliver to your place or something.
But, yeah. Keep some paranoia but moderate it. Also keep working to find a situation that you're close to comfortable with.
Also, sketched or not, don't hightail/drive fast unless it's absolutely necessary.
Of all the people I've known that have gotten nabbed, I'd say 80% or so got pulled over for a traffic violation and then were subsequently searched.
 
^^yea i was thinking the same thing, its pretty dumb to start speeding to get home asap. Back in 2010, my ex got pulled over by cops for not turning his right blinker on upon turning. He had a gun in the car and served two years in prison, it was a hot burnerbof course. Just drive like a grandma and make sure all your lights are good and tags are ok and youll be good. I havent been pulled over since '08.
 
OP You are being smart and safe. People like you described really annoy me... and the other girl you described! Five minutes away, and just ten minutes away with the first girl! These people are insane.

If we're gonna break the law and stuff -- gotta be as smart and safe as possible. Fortunately my current dealer is very smart and safe in how he conducts his business. It's a shame we have to risk our own personal freedom as things are. I have to risk these things just to get medicine sometimes to deal with pain and such, it's terrible (no health insurance).

I've also seen users who don't exercise caution with their own drug use. They never seem interested in the harm-reduction things I tell them, or scientific stuff about how they can potentiate their drugs and make their high better. They just want to snort their pill and feelgoodman. It just comes with the territory I guess.
 
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^The biggest lack of caution among drug users is how little most people know about what they are taking. If your going to risk your life, your sanity, and your freedom ingesting strong psychoactive chemicals you should damn well know what they hell they are and how the interact with each other and with your body. Not to mention the more you know about how drugs work the better combos you can come up.
 
I hate it when people aren't careful too.
BUT I have noticed that it seems a lot less sketchy when you have a convo, chill, etc. with the person for a little bit. Don't act like you're doing anything wrong. Make sure you don't look sketchy. lol.
 
I hate it when people are overly paranoid when dealing. I do not want to walk around half the city to find the perfect shady corner to deal in (which usually looks 500 times more suspicious then just dealing on the spot).

My dealer used to sit down next to me on the subway with one bag, me with another. Then she left with my bag and I with hers. No bullshit, worked for 7 years. Deviated from the plan once when in a hurry and got busted on the fucking station -_-
 
JunkieDays said:
Wow. Seems like you're overly paranoid. Annoying even.
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Yeah, I am pretty cautious myself, but it sounds to me like this "policy" is a bit much. I mean, the deal has got to go down one way or another, whether it's hand-to-hand, through a car window, a restaurant bathroom, walking up and then down the street, exchanging car keys and switching cars and briefcases and whatever... the deal has got to go down and my policy now is just to avoid the absolute obvious. We won't do deals in front of police stations or schools, anywhere where there tends to be a lot of police presence, and we just try our best to keep our eyes open and take a look around at what is going down.
 
you should just meet in a public bathroom somewhere then if you are that paranoid about doing it in public

if you think the employees are going to care, you obviously have never worked in a restaurant or retail store.

just don't do it at the same bathroom every time
 
shimazu said:
you should just meet in a public bathroom somewhere then if you are that paranoid about doing it in public

if you think the employees are going to care, you obviously have never worked in a restaurant or retail store.

just don't do it at the same bathroom every time
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Just be careful or ready to do the dizzel, a public bathroom dealer just might think you're paying him in a different way than cash... :\
 
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