Cant sleep for months

[pmz]

Ive been having a bad come down for the past few months now. A few people are familiar with this. I cannot sleep. Like seriously, Im dieing for a good answer here. I need to just sleep. I cant fall asleep, and when i do I cant stay alseep, Ill wake up so many times in the night and just lay there for hours until its time to get my ass out of bed.

Any suggestions please.

Im taking melatonin and chamomile tea and exercising during the day, but I just cant sleep.

Even worse, I have a shoulder pain that has increased significantly since this happened. My findings is that the lack of serotonin has decreased the bodies ability to deal with pain, there for the pain is not worse, my brain is just interpreting the pain as worse.

I went to doctor and he gave me gabapentin but I seem to get used to it pretty fast and it stops working. Do sleeping meds work for people in this situation?

So this shoulder pain only makes it worse because I cant find a good position to lay down.

 

[StrutterGear]

Or maybe you cant sleep because you are in pain, and it has nothing to do with MDMA and serotonin? Go to the doctors and sort out your shoulder...

 

[swedger77]

no no it must be the MDMA thats causing this.


Same old nonsense.


Loads of people suffer from insomnia...................fuck all to do with MDMA they have not consumed or in your case MDMA you did consume months ago.

Anyway your serotonin level will ne back to normal if you "rolled" a few months ago.



I ve got a sore leg since I rolled a fortnight ago.........wish Id never taken that Molly.

 

[pmz]

No its all interrelated trust me. I cant sleep because of the insomnia the mdma gave me, and then I cant find a comfortable position because my shoulder got worse. Ive looked it up and yes low serotonin will cause pain to be interpreted as worse.

Ive gotten an MRI by my doctor, I do have a physical issue with my shoulder and I had the pain for years, but it was not that bad. Now its become an issue. All he did was tell me to do some rehab and gave me a instruction guide to take home

Either way, I need sleep.

 

[pmz]

no no it must be the MDMA thats causing this.


Same old nonsense.


Loads of people suffer from insomnia...................fuck all to do with MDMA they have not consumed or in your case MDMA you did consume months ago.

Anyway your serotonin level will ne back to normal if you "rolled" a few months ago.



I ve got a sore leg since I rolled a fortnight ago.........wish Id never taken that Molly.

ok thanks dick. I know what im talking about here though.

1) i never had the insomnia before taking the fucking gram of mdma in one weekend. I know my head has been fucked up since.
2) the shoulder pain has significantly increased since then.
3) Nothing has gotten better in the month since ive taken mdma. And this isnt my first rodeo with the drug. used it for a year No issues till I consumed a very high dose.

 

[derok]

my advice, i was literally 3 months no natural sleep. My doctor put me on trazodone and lormetazepam , along 1 month or maybe more i was only 3 hours a day sleeping. Later i started to get normal sleep, i started to feel tired again. My body got the control to sleep again, but i needed meds.
Btw i left the meds...luck

 

[swedger77]

ok thanks dick. I know what im talking about here though.

1) i never had the insomnia before taking the fucking gram of mdma in one weekend. I know my head has been fucked up since.
2) the shoulder pain has significantly increased since then.
3) Nothing has gotten better in the month since ive taken mdma. And this isnt my first rodeo with the drug. used it for a year No issues till I consumed a very high dose.

go to your Doctor like most normal folk who cant sleep and get some sleep meds. Did that need explained to you? Give it a few more months if you want but Id advise going ASAP. SLeep deprivation is the worst thing ever. It will make any aches or pains worst. Sleep is when your body repairs itself. Dick

 

[pmz]

my advice, i was literally 3 months no natural sleep. My doctor put me on trazodone and lormetazepam , along 1 month or maybe more i was only 3 hours a day sleeping. Later i started to get normal sleep, i started to feel tired again. My body got the control to sleep again, but i needed meds.
Btw i left the meds...luck

i remember reading you come down thread. How are you doing now?

 

[swedger77]

PMZ are YOU worrying about "a long term comedown" by any chance?

That will keep you awake. There is a pattern on this forum and everyone can see it.

 

[pmz]

go to your Doctor like most normal folk who cant sleep and get some sleep meds. Did that need explained to you? Give it a few more months if you want but Id advise going ASAP. SLeep deprivation is the worst thing ever. It will make any aches or pains worst. Sleep is when your body repairs itself. Dick

I did, he gave me something and it didnt work. Im looking for things that worked for people. I revised my original post.

 

[pmz]

PMZ are YOU worrying about "a long term comedown" by any chance?

That will keep you awake. There is a pattern on this forum and everyone can see it.

I dont have anxiety at night anymore and can lay there and like I normally do to fall asleep, the issue is I keep waking up. I cant control that. Ill sleep for literally half hour and wake up again and lay there for another 2 hours before I fall asleep for another half hour. and the pattern repeats. If I stay asleep for more than 3 hours its a miracle.

 

[cope]

no no it must be the MDMA thats causing this.


Same old nonsense.


Loads of people suffer from insomnia...................fuck all to do with MDMA they have not consumed or in your case MDMA you did consume months ago.

Anyway your serotonin level will ne back to normal if you "rolled" a few months ago.



I ve got a sore leg since I rolled a fortnight ago.........wish Id never taken that Molly.

man, i read a lot of your posts ....

you know that serotonin and wake sleep cycle is closely related and mdma _can_ cause damage to your serotonin network ?

i really start to feel offended by your posts - its like you wouldn't even think about the possibility that mdma indeed can be neurotoxic.

wtf is wrong with you ?


to pmz, yes sleeping on a nasty long lasting comedown is a different thing, i haven't dreamt for about a year, now it starts to come back and i really enjoy sleeping again.

i'd not recommend rx sleeping aids (addiction potential, disturbing sleep phases) .... have a look into valerian (alcohol extracted), it helped me to fall asleep.

and last but not least, some my have a point you are worrying to much, this will lead you into a spiral.

best of luck pmz, no worries it will get better with time.

 

[cloudio]

This is one hella long comedown damn.... but as most of the posts on here goes time will eventually heal you i guess... or go see a doctor. but i dont know how people can fuck up this hard on MDMA to have months comedown the human body can adapt like pretty fast to a big damage, with the positive mindset en pyshical conditions.

 

[summerfriend]

Oh lookie here, another reckless hedonist eats 1g+ mdx & wonders why there's long-term consequences.
get some benzos & opiates whatever you gotta do man, just don't shit up the board by further adding to the endless cookiecutter comedown 'waaah!' posts..
2 months into heavy methadone taper & i don't cry as much as you babbies half the time

 

[swedger77]

man, i read a lot of your posts ....

you know that serotonin and wake sleep cycle is closely related and mdma _can_ cause damage to your serotonin network ?

I absolutely know this. I am a terrible sleeper and can sympathize with anyone who is not sleeping. In fact what PMZ is detailing is pretty much exactly how I sleep. I can get to sleep, usually for a few hours then I wake up and struggle to get back to sleep if Im attempting a natural sleep. I self medicate with etizolam, melatonin. 5-htp and diphenhydramine hydrochloride. I cycle these so i never get overly dependent on one in particular.

I have often wondered has my MDMA consumption led to me being a very light sleeper......possibly, but my mother is also a very light sleeper and shes not taken any MDMA!

i really start to feel offended by your posts - its like you wouldn't even think about the possibility that mdma indeed can be neurotoxic.

wtf is wrong with you ?

I ve hardly been slagging off your mother...calm down man

I do actually believe MDMA could be nuerotoxic, im just extremely skeptical at what that actually means long term to individuals. I literally have known dozens and dozens of people over the years who abused MDMA in the 90s and early 00's don't have any problems at all. I think one of the biggest dangers of MDMA is young impressionable people reading the "long term comedown thread /aaarrgh will i ever recover" threadson bluelight and applying it to themselves......increasing anxiety....blah blah we all know the rest.

to pmz, yes sleeping on a nasty long lasting comedown is a different thing, i haven't dreamt for about a year, now it starts to come back and i really enjoy sleeping again.

i'd not recommend rx sleeping aids (addiction potential, disturbing sleep phases) .... have a look into valerian (alcohol extracted), it helped me to fall asleep.

and last but not least, some my have a point you are worrying to much, this will lead you into a spiral.

best of luck pmz, no worries it will get better with time.

Maybe not a bad shout with valerian....heard lots of good things about it.


@summerfriend.................welcome to Ecstasy Discussion with birth place of the "long term comedown". Sounds like you have plenty on your plate...good luck with the taper

 

[StrutterGear]

I don't understand what the issue is here? Why dont you go and see a specialist about your shoulder you doughnut. If the problem persists then MAYBE you could point to something neurological? You have put 1 and 1 together and came out with = caravan.

 

[pmz]

to pmz, yes sleeping on a nasty long lasting comedown is a different thing, i haven't dreamt for about a year, now it starts to come back and i really enjoy sleeping again.

i'd not recommend rx sleeping aids (addiction potential, disturbing sleep phases) .... have a look into valerian (alcohol extracted), it helped me to fall asleep.

and last but not least, some my have a point you are worrying to much, this will lead you into a spiral.

best of luck pmz, no worries it will get better with time.

I oddly dream every time I get to sleep. Its actually the only way I know if I sleep or not. Ill wake up so fast, I wont even know I was sleeping, then I remember a dream and look at the time and go "hold crap, I actually slept for an hour"

yup, i take a valerian extract before bed as well as melatonin. It helps me fall asleep, but not stay sleep as I will wake up like an hour later.

I wish I can just stop worrying so much. Its not like my only symptoms are bad sleep and depression. Either way, its why im going on a 2 month long wilderness trip. No phone, no internet(or BL), no electricity or running water for 2 months. Just a ton of hiking and yoga and meditation and learning how to live the land for 2 months. Should take my mind off things for a while.

 

[swedger77]

I oddly dream every time I get to sleep. Its actually the only way I know if I sleep or not. Ill wake up so fast, I wont even know I was sleeping, then I remember a dream and look at the time and go "hold crap, I actually slept for an hour"

yup, i take a valerian extract before bed as well as melatonin. It helps me fall asleep, but not stay sleep as I will wake up like an hour later.

I wish I can just stop worrying so much. Its not like my only symptoms are bad sleep and depression. Either way, its why im going on a 2 month long wilderness trip. No phone, no internet(or BL), no electricity or running water for 2 months. Just a ton of hiking and yoga and meditation and learning how to live the land for 2 months. Should take my mind off things for a while.

Give diphenhydramine hydrochloride a bash. It definitely does not work for every one but it works for me. Can usually get back to sleep if I ve had a tablet of this. Self hypnosis CDs are worth a go too. Train you how to unwind your brain.

Your wilderness trip sounds amazing. Would probably sort out most issues.

is this allowed? :-

http://sleepeurope.moonfruit.com/#/usa-store-nytol/4559533851

 

[pmz]

I don't understand what the issue is here? Why dont you go and see a specialist about your shoulder you doughnut. If the problem persists then MAYBE you could point to something neurological? You have put 1 and 1 together and came out with = caravan.

he did an MRI on me and told me he sees nothing serious and there is nothing he can do. the neuro who prescribed me Gabapentin which is a nerve sedative and helps numb the pain a bit, but I get used to it very fast. The pain only increased once this stupid come down thing happened. I never had such bad shoulder pain till then

 

[pmz]

Give diphenhydramine hydrochloride a bash. It definitely does not work for every one but it works for me. Can usually get back to sleep if I ve had a tablet of this. Self hypnosis CDs are worth a go too. Train you how to unwind your brain.

Your wilderness trip sounds amazing. Would probably sort out most issues.

is this allowed? :-

http://sleepeurope.moonfruit.com/#/usa-store-nytol/4559533851

yeah I tried that. didnt seem to do anything.
I was using Unisom for a while it was 25mg. I didnt want to use too high of a dose, most reviews I read said the 50mg only made them feel groggy in the morning.