UK - Warnings Over Fatal Ectasy Tablets In The South

[poledriver]

UK - Warnings Over Fatal Ectasy Tablets In The South

Health bosses are warning that fake ecstasy tablets, which have led to several deaths, are circulating on the South Coast.

Solent NHS Trust Drug & Alcohol Recovery Service has warned that the highly toxic yellow "Mitsubishi" tablets contain a hallucinogenic substance and have been linked to several deaths.

The fake Ecstasy drugs are active even in low doses and can cause mental confusion and distressing auditory and visual hallucinations.


Cllr Jill Cleary from New Forest District Council said: "If you are offered these fake Ecstasy drugs, or have already bought some, please do not use them.


"They are very potent and have toxic side effects, which could prove fatal. It's not worth the risk, just say no."

http://www.heart.co.uk/southcoast/news/local/warnings-over-fatal-ectasy-tablets-south/

 

[cj]

Pma? Also the just say no line cracked me up.

 

[PurpleKush1]

lol just say no but i agree europe really does have some toxic ass E lately

 

[Bearlove]

That report is awful - but thanks for the heads up.

 

[ro4eva]

Check the usual ecstasy data websites and you'll see that PMA has returned to the UK in the form of - IME - pill logos/presses with a good history/reputation.

Whoever makes this shit deserves to be castrated.

 

[23536]

How long is our species going to be dealing with this PMA stuff? Why can't we all just collectively remove it from existence? Why is anybody still synthesizing it?

 

[poledriver]

^ It's easy to do and cheap and the ingredients arent nearly as hard to get as mdma apparently.

 

[23536]

^ It's easy to do and cheap and the ingredients arent nearly as hard to get as mdma apparently.

It's also evil. That's what I was asking: why is there always someone willing to be evil?

Maybe it's some psychopath who isn't looking to profit, only to kill. Maybe he hops from continent to continent, manufactures PMA and then sits in his hotel room reading internet headlines and laughing maniacally.

 

[poledriver]

Who knows. There's many evil people in the world as everyone knows, some are in the drug game, some are in all sorts of other avenues in life.

These three threads have some info on it, first thread is a guy here who purposely made pma for who knows what reason and the second thread is about another Aussie guy (who died from a drug OD, I believe was PMA) who used to actually purposely take PMA and used to talk about it's effects and the dosages etc (on pill reports I think mostly and apparently other message boards and maybe BL). Third thread is about 'Anyone ever use pure PMA recreationally?' (not that anyone in the thread responded about doing so, still some interesting info in all the threads.

1)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/648414-News-Chicken-powder-(PMA)-drug-cook-faces-court

2)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/54527-Adelaide-PMA-Death

3)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/352161-Anyone-ever-use-pure-PMA-recreationally

 

[Si Dread]

PMA is being distributed by large gangs & I suspect the larger gangs opperate with the help of law enforcement. I also suspect that the reason PMA continues to kill is partly because the media & the authorities like people to die from drugs regularly so that they can continue to claim that drugs are deadly.

PMA is produced in a very similar way to MDMA, & can sometimes appear in MDMA if the synthesis is inadequate. The precursors for PMA are also less controlled than those for MDMA, so a manufacturer with a lab already set up to synthesise MDMA can easilly switch to an uncontrolled precursor & knock up some PMA instead of MDMA. A manufacturer of MDMA could even be deliberately sold the wrong precursor, synthesise PMA instead of MDMA by accident &, if he doesn't test it himself, then sell the product on as MDMA without even being aware of the mistake.

 

[poledriver]

Yeah you have to wonder if some gangs/cooks in the game find it hard to get the real ingredients for mdma and are just out to make money and would either purposely make pills with pma and just colour and logo them for sale or possibly dilute a batch of mdma with pma to make a larger yield of tablets for sale. It's shit/evil/bad/deadly but it's an unregulated market that there is a huge demand for and there's always going to be people who will buy them up just because they are a tablet with a colour and a logo, some of these guys would obviously burn their contacts as the word got back, but by then they probably move to another circle of contacts to burn sadly and on it goes and never stops. I guess it's somewhat lucky it is still relatively rare for pma to be found in pills in general for how many are made and consumed.

Good points tho Si Ingwe.

 

[23536]

PMA is produced in a very similar way to MDMA, & can sometimes appear in MDMA if the synthesis is inadequate.

That's a myth. If you use the precursor for MDA/MDMA you're not going to end up with PMA/PMMA. If they are mixed together in the same pill, it's because the chemist was an evil son of a bitch.

 

[cj]

Yeah you have to wonder if some gangs/cooks in the game find it hard to get the real ingredients for mdma and are just out to make money and would either purposely make pills with pma and just colour and logo them for sale or possibly dilute a batch of mdma with pma to make a larger yield of tablets for sale. It's shit/evil/bad/deadly but it's an unregulated market that there is a huge demand for and there's always going to be people who will buy them up just because they are a tablet with a colour and a logo, some of these guys would obviously burn their contacts as the word got back, but by then they probably move to another circle of contacts to burn sadly and on it goes and never stops. I guess it's somewhat lucky it is still relatively rare for pma to be found in pills in general for how many are made and consumed.

Good points tho Si Ingwe.

Ok fair points but again why pma? Especially when there are so many cheap research chemicals that would do the same thing without requiring any synthesis.

 

[Cambo]

PMA makes me think about the US govt poisoning alcohol during the prohibition. I wonder if its the same kind of thing, cause no chemist benefits from PMA, it just reduces their clientele and therefor profits. Governments poisoning pills adds to the dont do drugs idea cause you could die from a pill, plus who cares, less drug using scum. (I dont mean that from my mouth, but from farrrr too many tabloid readers)

 

[Methox23]

Legalize and regulate like alcohol to make sure the purest stuff is on the market..

 

[edgarshade]

Legalize and regulate like alcohol to make sure the purest stuff is on the market..

Regulate like alcohol??? But that would mean it taking up three rows of shelving at my mini super-market, with "special offers" right next to the door and being sold in every single garage! Can't we have some more, errm, subdued regulation for MDMA when it comes?

 

[Methox23]

Regulate like alcohol??? But that would mean it taking up three rows of shelving at my mini super-market, with "special offers" right next to the door and being sold in every single garage! Can't we have some more, errm, subdued regulation for MDMA when it comes?

Yeah sure. Whatever it takes to make sure the people who want to take it are getting pure MDMA..

The problem with dealers is they don't give a shit what goes into their product.

 

[poledriver]

Ok fair points but again why pma? Especially when there are so many cheap research chemicals that would do the same thing without requiring any synthesis.

Yeah true, I'm not sure, maybe some of the reasons Si said could be part of the reason -

PMA is produced in a very similar way to MDMA, & can sometimes appear in MDMA if the synthesis is inadequate. The precursors for PMA are also less controlled than those for MDMA, so a manufacturer with a lab already set up to synthesise MDMA can easilly switch to an uncontrolled precursor & knock up some PMA instead of MDMA. A manufacturer of MDMA could even be deliberately sold the wrong precursor, synthesise PMA instead of MDMA by accident &, if he doesn't test it himself, then sell the product on as MDMA without even being aware of the mistake.

Some of that seems logical. As I pointed out further above there was a guy here in Australia who was making PMA (they said for personal use, in his bedroom I think) and I'm sure he wouldn't be the only one in the world to have done so, after it's made and there's a fair bit of it, cant you imagine it being possible getting into the wrong hands and getting pressed sometimes? I have no idea why someone would wont to make or use pma, but I think the article said he was right into chemistry and learnt alot of it from his father and then became drug addicted and started making it, possible because it isnt that hard to make apparently and the ingredients arent as restricted at those of mdma.

But yeah again, I really have no clue why anyone would purposely use pma or put it in pills when there is any number of RC's that could do a much safer job in pills and are probably cheaper and still give some kind of a buzz like you said.

 

[Deinonychus]

The problem with dealers is they don't give a shit what goes into their product.

While under most circumstances / in most situations I would sort-of agree with you to a small extent, I don't think this is the case with PMA.

Think about it: If you're dealing drugs, you want to make money. You want to make more money, and make money faster, than you would with a real job. That requires clientele, and that also means keeping a balance between having tons of customers that bring heat and having fewer but not getting busted by cops, or stolen from / robbed by either cops or another dealer.

But if you kill a bunch of those customers, or even just one, with PMA pills, you're losing a client to death, losing more clients due to the underground equivalent of bad press, and bringing epic heat down on yourself and if you get caught you risk getting a drug-induced manslaughter charge.

So even if you're so heartless, so evil, that you don't even feel one iota of personal pain or regret from killing somebody, and you just look at it as an economic prospect, PMA is still bad for business. So if its bad for business, you would care about that and try to avoid it, even if you are indeed the hypothetical sociopath that doesn't give shits about anything else, ie killing somebody, other than in how it affects you financially.

 

[23536]

So even if you're so heartless, so evil, that you don't even feel one iota of personal pain or regret from killing somebody, and you just look at it as an economic prospect, PMA is still bad for business. So if its bad for business, you would care about that and try to avoid it, even if you are indeed the hypothetical sociopath that doesn't give shits about anything else, ie killing somebody, other than in how it affects you financially.

How would you then explain levamisole in cocaine? Perhaps that's an even bigger mystery than the persistence of PMA.