Give addicts free foil to smoke heroin instead of injecting it, says government

Since they get smmokable herooi base in the uk its not a bad idea for the gov, but try selling that to someone who has been iving all their life, i just dont see long term bangers being too fancy on switching their ROA from slamming with a rig to smoking off foil. Maybe younger addicts, but def not old timers that have been shooting for decades.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
There is no difference between this foil and foil in shops...

Chasing many drugs leads to a higher chance of lung infection, and lowering lung function... Smoking heroin does leave residue. Most of it is on the foil, some of it in your lungs...

I’d say handing out cheap needles, filters, alcohol swabs and gauze is a better alternative...
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Actually that is not my understanding, of course IVing supplies are always available, foil is not handed out instead it is give out alongside. Also it means that smokers now visit exchanges and therefore link in with treatment, if it was only IV supplies available there would be no reason for the to attend.

I will see if I can get a few links about the difference between the two types of foil where I see some people during the week.
 
It is about risk and if you where sharing straws there would be a risk. I know a few years back when there was a mass increase in the amount of people snorting coke there was a strong push on educating people on the risk of Hep C fro sharing. Though no straws where given out. As I said above there was a trial with crack pipes that came with removable mouth pieces. Is this not part of treating addiction as a public health issue?
 
This isn't going to stop people injecting.

Addicts don't inject because they can get free needles, they do it for the superior high. Do these people really think it was hard for an addict to get foil (or even an empty can) so they'd use needles instead?

This is only going to lead to addicts sharing and repeatedly using the same needle. Only harm will come of this.
 
naughtynicknails said:
This isn't going to stop people injecting.

Addicts don't inject because they can get free needles, they do it for the superior high. Do these people really think it was hard for an addict to get foil (or even an empty can) so they'd use needles instead?

This is only going to lead to addicts sharing and repeatedly using the same needle. Only harm will come of this.
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How could it lead to addicts sharing? You do know that people have a choice at the exchange, the only take the foil if that is what they want, if they want works and other IV kit the get that. Do you think this is forced on them or something?

As I posted earlier we have been doing this for years in Ireland, I have never heard another addict complain about it, anyone I know views it as a positive.

The only ones against I have encounter are those who support prohibition and argue that this encourages people to use heroin. Also over here there are a significant amount of heroin users who only smoke, it is a popular ROA.
 
BlueHues said:
^I'm not trying to start a fight with you or contradict you in any way....but do you actually think the risks associated with smoking heroin outweight the risks of IVing heroin? And, do you personally know anyone who's died from "encephalopathy" related to their smoking heroin? And if so, does the number of people you know who've died as a result of smoking heroin exceed the number of people you personally know who've died from IVing heroin?
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The thing people do not realize is that, deaths from smoking heroin are mostly not acute, toxic encephalopathy is a long degenerative disease in most cases...

The numbers don’t compare. Of course since IV is the most used method for administration.

The problem is not the end use, it is the process between the source and the end user. Many deaths are caused by the Black market itself...

A lot of people already know of disease from smoking, and it is known to not be caused by injecting.


The main thing that needs to be done is to have a globalized, standardized exchange system for all drugs.
Regulations need to be put on quality, not usage... If everyone got a set percentage of dope every time, then most overdoses could have been minor.


The main thing, is choice...

Fuck all the safety talk, and give people the option to use the dope with the method of their choice.

It’s a win-win.
 
Why is there not a standard heroin pipe that people use? All other popular smokable drugs seem to have their characteristic pipes.
 
Probably because it's not as simple as just throwing it in a pipe and smoking it....you probably could smoke it in an "oil burner like people use for meth"....You can smoke meth off of foil....

Alos, the residue it leaves behind would make it a pain in the ass to clean between uses, and relative to how small of an amount of heroin that's generally smoked, it's easier to just use a new foil everytime...
 
23536 said:
Why is there not a standard heroin pipe that people use? All other popular smokable drugs seem to have their characteristic pipes.
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Because smoking heroin requires lower temperature than and decomposes very easily, that no material we currently have makes any real sense to use... It’s too inefficient with street dope of low purity.

Pure dope would change all that... Smoking would be as universal al meth if the dope was pure enough...

BlueHues said:
Probably because it's not as simple as just throwing it in a pipe and smoking it....you probably could smoke it in an "oil burner like people use for meth"....You can smoke meth off of foil....

Alos, the residue it leaves behind would make it a pain in the ass to clean between uses, and relative to how small of an amount of heroin that's generally smoked, it's easier to just use a new foil everytime...
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Once again this would play into the purity of the dope on the street and it’s cut... If you had purer dope, there would be no gunk that couldn’t be washed off with simple water...

Dirty dope is dirty no matter how you use it... And if you use foil like I do, I agree wholeheartedly with what this person has said...









Bottom line in my eyes is that if one was to obtain at least an 80-90% freebased dope, sure go ahead and smoke it, have a blast...

But anything less than 50% and smoking becomes mundane... And all that damn caffeine burns so fucking acrid...
 
^ In my neck of the woods with tar some people have used oil burners to smoke, long as its a decent sized pipe and not the small ones. It trails still and doesn't do well after you run it over the same spot to much.. And as far as foil goes my group all knows the burn on the dull side after you've burned off the shiny side..whether it actually helps or not its a noticeable difference at least..
 
^Thanks for posting! As a native east coast heroin user that's spent significant time on the west coast, I find myself "sticking up" for tar a lot of the time on BL....There's a lot of tar out there that dissolves easily and stands up to the powder all day IMO! I promise you that there's quite a few east coast dope users that would be very surprised if they went out west and got a chance to sample some decent tar.....It tends to be a lot cheaper by weight and the rush you get from some of it will fuckin floor ya!
 
BlueHues said:
^Thanks for posting! As a native east coast heroin user that's spent significant time on the west coast, I find myself "sticking up" for tar a lot of the time on BL....There's a lot of tar out there that dissolves easily and stands up to the powder all day IMO! I promise you that there's quite a few east coast dope users that would be very surprised if they went out west and got a chance to sample some decent tar.....It tends to be a lot cheaper by weight and the rush you get from some of it will fuckin floor ya!
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Thats because we all know tar is not straight heroin...

JD55 said:
^ In my neck of the woods with tar some people have used oil burners to smoke, long as its a decent sized pipe and not the small ones. It trails still and doesn't do well after you run it over the same spot to much.. And as far as foil goes my group all knows the burn on the dull side after you've burned off the shiny side..whether it actually helps or not its a noticeable difference at least..
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You are only adding soot to your drugs. There is no coating on food grade foil... (supermarket foil)
 
Doody OD said:
It is about risk and if you where sharing straws there would be a risk.
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um.. whenever you shoot, snort, smoke, plug, or otherwise administer heroin theres gonna be a considerable risk. its fairly obvious that sharing straws is a pretty fuckin microscopic risk compared to using hard drugs.
 
trees_please said:
um.. whenever you shoot, snort, smoke, plug, or otherwise administer heroin theres gonna be a considerable risk. its fairly obvious that sharing straws is a pretty fuckin microscopic risk compared to using hard drugs.
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Disease should always be considered at all time during drug use.

Hep A, B and C
HIV/AIDS
Several infectious bacteria species...

I mean these are pretty serious fuckery... Not as acute as OD’ing, but mortality is quite high still...
 
23536 said:
Why is there not a standard heroin pipe that people use? All other popular smokable drugs seem to have their characteristic pipes.
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Because forming perfect spirals, mandalas, pentagrams, spelling your name in cursive, etc. creates an artistic outlet for addicts.
 
trees_please said:
um.. whenever you shoot, snort, smoke, plug, or otherwise administer heroin theres gonna be a considerable risk. its fairly obvious that sharing straws is a pretty fuckin microscopic risk compared to using hard drugs.
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Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is? For an public health viewpoint all risks should be considered and highlighted no? Is only takes a microscopic amount of infected blood to pass on Hep or any other virus.

We had an dramatic increase in the amount of snorted cocaine used here during the boom a few years ago. Most of those coke users unless they where already part of a on going drug scene, where unaware of the risk in sharing straws, notes etc. There is currently no data available to see if this lead to an increase in Blood Born Viruses.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Disease should always be considered at all time during drug use.

Hep A, B and C
HIV/AIDS
Several infectious bacteria species...

I mean these are pretty serious fuckery... Not as acute as OD’ing, but mortality is quite high still...
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yes they are serious. but i will stand by my argument until you can show me one documented case of AIDS or Hepatitis where the vector was tinfoil smoked by the user(s).

Doody OD said:
Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is? For an public health viewpoint all risks should be considered and highlighted no?
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Considered and highlighted? Absolutely. An issue like tinfoil transmitting serious disease? I think there are better ways to spend resources.

Doody OD said:
Is only takes a microscopic amount of infected blood to pass on Hep or any other virus.
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See first response

Doody OD said:
We had an dramatic increase in the amount of snorted cocaine used here during the boom a few years ago. Most of those coke users unless they where already part of a on going drug scene, where unaware of the risk in sharing straws, notes etc. There is currently no data available to see if this lead to an increase in Blood Born Viruses.
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To be honest, im not sure how the action of sharing straws in ones nose is any different than children sharing straws at nursery school. The variable is obviously relevant here (i.e. hard drugs, juicy juice, etc.), but my point is; i dont think anyone worries about contracting blood borne viruses via smoking, etc.
 
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