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South Australia imposes synthetic drugs ban

thickskin said:
If it was laid on blotter paper I suspect you would still be charged for LSD because its easier to prosecute. If you sell blotter paper that has no chemicals on it and you get caught you get charged for selling LSD.
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If it was non-active they'd have reasonable evidence to claim you were selling it as LSD and could be charged, if you were selling 25i as 25i you would get charged for that if you disputed the LSD charge.

Same with pills, if you knew the contents as BZP for example you could be charged for that, but if you didn't know the contents or they were non-active they would charge you for selling MDMA
 
Federal Government to introduce short-term ban on synthetic drugs

Selling some synthetic drugs will be illegal around Australia, under a plan announced by the Federal Government today.

Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury says 19 drugs have been banned for up to 120 days, under consumer law.

But Mr Bradbury says New South Wales and the Northern Territory need to update laws to make the drugs illegal substances.

He says if the national poisons schedule was adopted it would allow provide criminal sanctions to be imposed.

"The most effective way is that these drugs be treated as illicit drugs and be subject to law enforcement by proper agencies," he said.

"Of course people involved in their sale and distribution should be the subject of the same criminal sanctions as involved in the sale of cannabis or cocaine."

The substances, which mimic the highs of their illegal counterparts, have been under the spotlight after Sydney teenager Henry Kwan jumped to his death earlier this month after reportedly taking a drug with effects similar to LSD.

Meanwhile, Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says he will introduce legislation to ban the drugs' importation.

Mr Clare says new drugs coming onto the market will be presumed to be illegal until authorities know what they are and clear them as safe and legal.

NSW calls for ban to be made permanent

The New South Wales Government last week declared its own 90-day ban on the sale of 19 synthetic drugs.

New South Wales Consumer Affairs Minister Anthony Roberts says the nationwide interim ban is welcomed, but he wants it permanent.

"What we've been able to achieve in New South Wales is 94 per cent compliance in under a week of retailers selling these products," he said.

"We've got them off the shelves successfully - we need to keep them off the shelves.

"That interim ban needs to become a permanent ban."

Mr Roberts said a nationwide ban under consumer laws will cut online sales and means Customs can intercept the drugs at the border.

"If we're able to restrict demand, we're able to restrict supply," he said.

"We will impose the full force of the law on any organisation that attempts to frustrate this ban."

ACT calls on NSW to follow its lead

The ACT's Attorney General Simon Corbell has welcomed the measures and says the territory has already complied with many of them.

"It is important that all jurisdictions also act to deal with synthetic drugs under their poison or drug laws," he said.

"That's what we've done here in the ACT, and that's in marked contrast to a number of other jurisdictions such as New South Wales."

Retailers, represented by the Eros Foundation, say a national ban will not work and the drugs should instead be legalised and regulated.

Fiona Patten from the Eros Foundation says it would be easy to get around the laws.

"Frankly they could just take them out of the packet," she said. "But retailers want to comply, they want to sell a safe product."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-16/federal-ban-on-synthetic-drugs/4756820
 
poledriver said:
The substances, which mimic the highs of their illegal counterparts, have been under the spotlight after Sydney teenager Henry Kwan jumped to his death earlier this month after reportedly taking a drug with effects similar to LSD.
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but srsly, the way the media will use an isolated incident to demonise a psychedelic makes me devo, imagine if they were pushing for alcohol to be banned "well guys in the past day 10,000 peoples lives in Australia have been torn apart due to the ramifications alcohol abuse and thousands are dead due to complications from long term abuse of alcohol" im talking out of my ass but you get the idea

also i love how they tuck in the perspective of the retailers for the last 3 lines which undermines the rest of the article tbh
 
Synthetic LSD didn't kill Henry: Eros

The drug that killed Sydney teenager Henry Kwan was not "synthetic LSD" but something else that has not yet been included on any banned products list, the Eros Association claims.

Misinformation and ignorance are driving the debate about drugs, says Eros Association CEO Fiona Patten, who has been advocating for retailers of the products.

She said the drug, which caused 17-year-old Henry to think he could fly when he jumped off a balcony earlier this month, is a new product called NBOMe.

"It's clearly a dangerous drug and yet it has not been included on any of the banned lists," Ms Patten said in a statement.

Some of the 19 products prohibited under a temporary national ban were completely harmless, she said.

"What happens if a government bans a substance that later turns out to be completely legal under other laws and is not a dangerous drug? Is the federal government looking at compensating traders?

Are they looking at a buy-back scheme similar to John Howard's approach on firearms?" she asked.

Ms Patten said she was rejected by Health Minister Tania Plibersek last week when she attempted to brief the federal government on the extent and make-up of the industry.

Ms Patten said prohibition of drugs has never made them safer or reduced demand.

She said the only recreational drug in Australia with decreasing usage was tobacco.

"The reason smoking is in strong decline is because it is legal, heavily regulated and the subject of extensive health education campaigns," she said.

She said the government was ignoring its own success by creating new laws to drive the products underground.

Minister Assisting for Deregulation David Bradbury told reporters in Sydney on Sunday that the sale and distribution of the products equated to organised crime.

"This is not about some producer that has made a mistake and produced a product that is substandard; these are drugs that are killing people," he said.

He admitted the national ban of 120 days was "not the most effective way of tackling the problem", but would buy time for states such as NSW and the Northern Territory to adopt a national poisons standard.

The standard lists drugs by their chemical compound and not by name, making them easier to police.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/synthetic-lsd-didnt-kill-henry-eros-20130617-2oct8.html#ixzz2WQTMXANM
 
Synthetic drug ban may trigger withdrawal crisis

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NEWCASTLE’S synthetic drug abuse epidemic has hit new lows, with fears of a mental health crisis that could eclipse that created by the powerful methamphetamine ‘‘ice’’.

Mental health workers, counsellors, nurses and paramedics have told the Newcastle Herald dozens of shocking front-line stories ranging from users suffering severe paranoia to violent psychotic episodes.

One Hunter man was found in a garage after using pliers to remove his teeth and collect them in a bowl.

When questioned about his behaviour, he explained that he didn’t want his teeth in his head any more.

Other users have attempted to stop cars by jumping in front of them, thought they could fly off buildings, self-harmed with fire and many are reported to have been ‘‘extremely violent’’.

Substances used ranged from synthetic cannabis to products designed to mimic cocaine, ecstasy, amphetamines and LSD.

A 37-year-old Maitland man was taken to a mental health facility on Wednesday after allegedly using White Revolver, or synthetic cocaine, and allegedly assaulting two police officers.

Health Services Union Hunter ambulance sub-branch president Peter Rumball said there had been a steep rise in mental health cases linked to synthetics.

‘‘These products are like pouring Drano into your brain,’’ he said. ‘‘Some of the people we have seen have been off the planet, they are hurting their families and themselves, it’s very sad.’’

A mental health worker based at Calvary Mater Hospital said services were bracing for an increase of people seeking help, following the state government’s 90-day ban of synthetic drugs.

She said the Hunter was widely regarded as one of Australia’s ‘‘hot spots’’ for synthetic drugs and some of the mental health impacts seen were “extreme”.

‘‘We are already seeing a lot of patients coming in with serious mental health problems and some will now face withdrawal,’’ she said.

“It is true that what we are seeing could be worse than the mental health implications we saw with ice, the problem is very serious and we don’t know enough about it yet.”

Hunter New England Health’s drug and alcohol services staff specialist Bob Batey said treatment facilities in Newcastle and the Central Coast were seeing more people addicted to synthetics per capita compared to Sydney.

Dr Batey said an increase in users seeking help would mean longer wait times for treatment programs and place further demands on the region’s emergency departments.

He said the problem was compounded by the fact that the withdrawal process for synthetic cannabis was longer than for marijuana and patients generally required more sedation.

Some addicts report preferring synthetic cannabis to marijuana because of the “stimulant high” it provides.

In the case of synthetic stimulants, Dr Batey said patients withdrawing could become depressed, get headaches, have a rapid pulse, suffer aches and pains and feel generally unwell.

‘‘A lot would have to get themselves off to a treatment agency or try to wean themselves off or tolerate the withdrawal symptoms at home,’’ Dr Batey said.

‘‘It really is a nasty area these drugs.’’

A Hunter New England Health spokeswoman said there were a range of services available to people experiencing issues with synthetic drugs, with people urged to call the Drug and Alcohol Central Intake.

Lucy Burns, a senior lecturer within the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre, said treatment services were not ‘‘geared up’’ for dealing with synthetic users.

Dr Burns said because the drugs were relatively new in Australia, very little research had been completed.

‘‘It’s a new area, work is starting to be done and by the end of the year we are hoping to have a clearer picture,’’ she said.

‘‘We don’t have a treatment protocol for these new drugs.’’

NSW Health admits it has no formal data on synthetic drugs because the sudden rise has outstripped data recording procedures.

The Herald reported last month that the complexity of synthetic drugs meant data collection systems had no codes when patients were treated at health facilities.

Cessnock MP Clayton Barr asked Mental Health Minister Kevin Humphries earlier this year if there had been an increase in patients presenting to NSW mental health units because of adverse reactions to synthetics drugs.

“Given the difficulties in adequately screening for synthetic drugs, there is currently no formal centralised collection of data on synthetic drug use,” Mr Humphries said.

The Hunter New England Health spokeswoman said due to the “constantly evolving chemical make-up” of synthetic drugs, it was difficult to pinpoint rates of use in the Hunter.

“In the past few years our services have cared for a number of patients we believe may have used synthetic cannabis,” she said.

“We are yet to understand the ongoing effects caused by these drugs, and they should not be considered any less harmful, or any safer an option than other drugs, including regular cannabis.”

Staff at several Hunter treatment facilities said synthetic addicts made up about one quarter of patients and the numbers were growing.

Conjoint Associate Professor from the University of Newcastle’s School of Nursing and Midwifery, Richard Clancy, is undertaking research into synthetic drugs and acute mental health patients.

The results are expected to be made public within six months.

A community mental health worker said there had been an increase in people using synthetics and many were not previous drug users.


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At the same time a nurse from the Mater said many users had switched from illicit drugs to synthetics and reported “more extreme” mental health problems.

“We used to see a lot of patients on Kronic and now it’s the synthetic powders,” he said.

“These people are climbing the walls, they are scratching their skin apart. I have seen people who have got into White Revolver and they are totally psychotic, they are more paranoid and more psychotic than the other patients we see. They are dangerous and can be extremely aggressive.”

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1576226/synthetic-drug-ban-may-trigger-withdrawal-crisis/
 
Aus - OPINION: Artificial reasons to ban synthetic drugs

MY mother's family were battlers from Wyee. They did it hard during the Depression, working as farm labourers and tradespeople around the power stations at Munmorah and Vales Point.

Like many battlers, they partied hard when they could. As a youngster, I remember many long nights around the card table with beer and brown Muscat, Ardath cork-tipped cigarettes and even chewing tobacco.

Many of them died comparatively young from illnesses that we now know were directly related to drinking and smoking. But if you'd said to Uncle Denny in those days that they'd kill him and he better stop, he would have laughed at you and said something like: "Life's short and hard, son. You take your pleasures where you can get them. And mind your own bloody business!"

You can't tell people to stop taking drugs - just like you can't argue someone into loving you.

Most drug taking is not done to harm someone's family, to make a fool of one's self or to injure society. It's a form of self-medication, like having a drink, and a way to escape the pressures of life and the ravages of a mind that just won't stop.

Everyone uses drugs. Whether it's tea and coffee, beer and wine, marijuana and ecstasy, Panadol and Viagra or even prescribed benzodiazepines or morphine.

The problem with the current debate on synthetics is that many people are saying: "My drug-taking is OK but yours is not".

Let's test that notion.

Cigarette smokers can't reasonably condemn anyone else's drug habits without appearing to be a hypocrite.

The research is conclusive that smoking kills you. Everyone knows it. And yet the government still allows tobacco to be sold from family areas, still taxes it and uses its revenue, treats it as if it were a foodstuff and refuses to put it on Schedule 9 of the official poisons and drugs register (the SUSMP) where synthetic and natural marijuana have been put.

Drinkers are often the first to condemn marijuana dealers, ecstasy users and synthetics advocates of ruining young lives. But consider this. On the federal government website, drinkingnightmare.gov.au, it says that four young people under the age of 25 die from an alcohol-related illness every week.

Leaving aside the tragic death of the Sydney schoolboy recently, who actually took what is known as a NBOMe and nothing like synthetic LSD (LSD is already synthesised), there are no recorded deaths in Australia from either natural or synthetic cannabinoids.

Alcohol is listed under Appendix B of the SUSMP.

This position is reserved for, "substances considered not to require control by scheduling" and considered to have "low toxicity".

Their area of use is considered, "General: any use". Under state laws, alcohol is largely controlled under food and beverage legislation. How silly are our politicians? A poison that kills four young kids a week is said to be a foodstuff with low toxicity, whereas synthetic marijuana, which has not been clinically proven to be responsible for one death, is said to be a killer.

Where is the use of evidence in framing new drug laws?

Every year, one or two young people die from peanut allergies and hundreds of kids are admitted to hospitals with serious injuries from trampolines.

There are reportedly half a dozen hospital visits every day for panic attacks and heart palpitations due to strong coffee and caffeine drinks. These are the same symptoms that the Australian Medical Association and most health ministers gave for banning synthetic cannabis.

Do we ban peanut butter, coffee and trampolines? No.

We educate people in how to deal with them and encourage manufacturers to make safer products.

What is the only recreational drug in Australian society today that is in decline? Tobacco. Why? Because it's legal and we run public health programs about its use.

The problem is simple and so is the solution. If natural marijuana had been legalised in Australia 10 years ago, hardly any of these synthetic drugs would be around today. In fact, if the first synthetic cannabinoid drug called Kronic (JWH-01 had not been banned, none of these far stronger drugs would be around.

The bans that the NSW government has put in place will backfire because every time a government bans two of these products, four new ones are on sale the next week.

The NSW government is using the same model to ban synthetics that Richard Nixon used to try to ban marijuana in the late 1960s. And he was really successful with that, wasn't he? Prohibition creates drug abuse and drives the economics of drug sales in a way that proper regulation, toxicity testing and education does not do.

The government needs to make these products safe for the people who use them and stop pushing a deadly tough-on-drugs campaign, which is now starting to be seen as a tough-on-government approach.

Robbie Swan is the national coordinator of Eros, Australia’s adults-only association

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/15...-drugs/?cs=308

With comments under the article on the above link. Go comment!
 
The page has been removed =(

I hate when news articles that show drugs in a positive light get removed. :X

That was a good read though =)
 
^ Damn. That sux. Lucky i posted it here and DiTM. There were 6 or so comments and they were all surprisingly supportive and positive.
 
^ Thanks opi8, I think it's probably because I posted the article first in DiTM and copied the whole thing to here.

Looking at the truncated urls in you post and from the one I posted a bit above they seem the same, must be something inside it that stuffed up somehow.
 
soo the 60 day interim ban is over, does anyone know if they actually banned any chemicals?
 
Yay banning brand names is such a good move! White Revolver could just call itself revolver and still be legally sold. I think White Revolver or White Bull had MDPV or aPVP as it's active ingredient. There was an article published by the Border Mail?? The journalists purchased some samples in Vic and had them assessed by a lab and the lab detected MDPV. http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1559114/white-bull-the-facts/
 
thank you the_horz, its a long read but from what i read it looks like they're actually trying to fix the whole issue this time.
 
A very interesting read although there may be 1 or 2 loopholes in the legislation as it stands. The real issue is that the new designer drugs or "synthetic highs" are becoming more dangerous as manufacturers attempt to utilize these loopholes to promote/sell/distribute chemicals that have almost no recreational value and that are in fact utter shit. Case in point MDPV, aPVP, new generation CB1 and CB2 agonist/antagonist substances, 3,4-dichloromethylphenidate and a bunch of other increasingly shit/dangerous products.

Had the misfortune to try "Camfetamine" aka N-methyl-3-phenyl-norbornan-2-amine when it came out in the UK and my god how bad was the vasoconstriction! Long of the short no matter how much the law is tweaked these "legal high" manufacturers will just tweak something else be it chemistry, product marketing etc. to avoid the law and eventually something so toxic will come out hundreds will die.

How about reviewing/ending the whole "war on drugs" or at least go the whole hog and ban tobacco and alcohol as well. Maybe give same sex marriages a go and euthanasia as well or alternatively start committing homosexual/lesbian couples to concentration camps while denying people the opportunity to die with dignity? In my view, call me a leftist, people have a right to chose be it their sexuality, their dignity and what they do with their bodies. Just my 5 cents.

Under this law anything that is vaguely meant to have some kind of psychoactive effect, even if it does not, will be classified as a psychoactive product. Food seems to be exempt, so just use that synthetic incense to make a cake and your home and hosed with a get out of jail free card. I would imagine a lot of people passing out and losing bladder and bowel control if they did make cakes from "synthetic cannabinoids" however so HR: people don't do this.
 
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Synthetic drugs scare the absolute shit out of me.


Kids stick with what you know is going to fuck you up and how it is going to fuck you up (in terms of your weekend and mental/physical health such as sustained drug abuse). We all know what too much MDMA/meth/heroin does! Whereas too much of an RC like what, seriously, what could happen to you, meth was created almost 100 years ago, think of what that does to people now, what are the new recipe of drugs going to do to people in the next 100 years? I don't even want to know.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Once amphetamine and heroin as well could have been classified as research chemicals. MDMA has only been used since the early/mid 80's by any significant portion of the population and there may still be long term side effects that are unknown. 2cb, DOC etc were all tested by Shulgin and it was he who reintroduced MDMA which had originally been developed shortly after WW1 by a German chemist but they found it had no use at the time so it gathered dust until Shulgin rediscovered it. Also 4-MMC aka "meow-meow" was originally synthesised in the 20's and only rediscovered by a certain "Hive" chemist in the early part of last decade.

Synthetic drugs are all drugs so your advice to use heroin/MDMA/meth is just WTF? Simple Black tar heroin is basically morphine boiled for 8 hours in Glacial acetic acid aka acetic acid with no H20. That sounds like something "synthetic" to me. Don't fool your self all drugs are synthetic to some extent unless you smoke say bud or pure opium. That said new generation "designer drugs" or "research chemicals" are becoming more dangerous as the developers try to tinker with analogues of pre-existing substances and usually the side effects far out way any possible pleasurable effects. Also dose is highly important such as the Nbome serries of drugs too much and you will probably have a shit time. I don't recommend smoking "synthetic weed"/"herbal incense" though as burning/heating the chemical will likely cause a catalytic conversion of the substance with unknown by products being produced and inhaled into your lungs.

Also drugs like I have mentioned in my previous posts such as "camfetamine" are not worth the subjective side effects for the pleasure obtained. Do some research about the chemistry/chemicals you ingest and don't just be a dumb ass and say duh "all synthetic drugs are bad" as your also including MDMA, LSD, Heroin and meth in your list of substances. Also serious studies of meth amphetamine's negative effects never really occurred until it became a common recreational drug. "Black Beauties" were a methamphetamine pill prescribed to bored/depressed housewives in America from the 50's till the late 70's.

Also the statement "fuck you up" is really childish and has no place as a HR technique. Some guy may sell you a "pill" of "MDMA" that has no MDMA in it and just a dash of home bake meth and some K from a ram raid on the local vet clinic. Use Test kits and know what a proper pressed pill looks like. Most of what get's around in this country is bunk shit and looks like bunk shit.
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Of course drugs were all technically classed as research chemicals, but we've managed to study the effects of some of these types of drugs such as meth since the 20s, MDMA since 1912 and Jesus heroin was first synthesized in 1874... we've had almost a century to study meth and more then a century to study heroin, my original point was that these drugs were made so long ago and look at the detrimental effect they have on our world now, you hear these fucking bath salt zombie cases and that's with drugs that were made some time within the last 30 years....

People don't really put K in pills because you need at least 250mg+ for an oral dose to become active.... I think the pills you have been eating are 2-cb or something. Do as you say and check your kit lol, tbh don't tell me about it because if you've seen me in ED that is all I ever say....

Were you not inboxing and talking to me over the last few days, then I'm scrolling the forums and see this shit when you've been all giggles and sunshine in your inboxes? wtf is up with that seriously don't call me a dumb ass and then leave this shit calling me an ignorant fuck and sending me weird inboxes trying to talk to me, wtf :\
 
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