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Heavy psychedelic abuse.. how do you handle it?

abusing psychedlics makes me less depressed. i'm talking about daily k/pcp or acid 3 times a week, going through a couple sheets a month. hell i'd be abusing psychedelics right now if i wasn't dead broke from a bullshit lawsuit.
 
No posts regarding personal drug use
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But the OP question was.....

how does heavy abuse of these mind altering drugs affect you? How do you minimize the negative side effects, or do you feel it is doing you good? I'd like to hear how you guys feel about using such powerful drugs too often...
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Hard to see how one can answer without it being personal, unless you just want generalizations, in which case go to wikipedia and don't bother asking for real individual input.
 
This all depends on what kind of psychedelics, we must take into account unknown neurtoxicicity levels of many of the RC Tryptamine's which are more likely going to lead to health problems when users consume larger amounts, if we are talking LSD and psilocybin mushrooms the only real risks being ran are psychosis and delusion in a trip where the user can kill or injure himself.
 
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being Bipolar I can get a little delusional for a few days even on one tab of strong L even if I'm not "abusing" it often (like I haven't done it in months.) if I do it too often (1 weekend, another tab the next) I can go from delusional for a little bit to full-on manic episode. I "handled" this when it happened by going to my psych like every day until I was better (come to think of it im sure I could've admitted myself to a hospital but I was also attending classes for college and didn't want to miss any.) I didn't even realize how crazy I was, a professor basically straight up told me to go see my psych in the middle of class when I was like bawling my eyes out.

Even 1 tab can trigger mental disorders in people who might be prone to it, it's really a gamble every time I would say, even if its not specifically like heavy abuse. IMO. I'm not sure if I can "handle" it always, ya know?
 
EarthBounded said:
I would like to join here in this conversation however I believe it needs to be re-worded first. Reading the rules and guidelines I came across this.

No posts regarding personal drug use, drug sources, synthesis, availability, quality, price, etc. This is not the place for that type of activity, regardless of legality of the substance in question.
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I just wanted to clarify this a bit further, based on what I know. Because this is a research oriented forum, people's personal and subjective reporting is less important. For instance, someone stating their personal truth about a drug may not correspond to the current research findings, and thus there would be conflict. Likewise, some statements are simply personal ones and cannot be subject to positive or negative review. i.e. "LSD is the best drug in the world! Why would you want to take anything else?" vs. "LSD would appear to be popular among [null] age group, and the recorded responses indicated it was because of X, Y, and Z. Here is more info (scientific link) if you want to read more."

Other areas of BL permit people to emote about drugs regardless of the inaccuracies, but the MAPS section will hold people to a higher standard. The MAPS mods are currently assessing whether or not the rules need to be re-stated more clearly. For now, please adhere to the stated rules as best you can. The rules are, for the most part, unambiguous.
 
How can we talk about psychedelic abUSE without talking about psychedelic USE?

Perhaps a less personal title like Psychedelic Abuse Discussion - Anecdotes.
 
Personally I've been taking 4-8 grams of dry P.cubensis almost every weekend for the past few months, and I don't feel as though these frequent trips are having any effect on my psyche or cognitive abilities. I don't think mushrooms are really something that's able to be abused very easily...I mean, sure you can take them frequently but it's hard to achieve a relative dose when compared to what some "abusers" of LSD take.
 
Folley said:
Sorry, I didn't feel that was clear at all though.. the MAPS mods can move this over to PD if they want :)
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Foreigner said:
I just wanted to clarify this a bit further, based on what I know. Because this is a research oriented forum, people's personal and subjective reporting is less important. For instance, someone stating their personal truth about a drug may not correspond to the current research findings, and thus there would be conflict. Likewise, some statements are simply personal ones and cannot be subject to positive or negative review. i.e. "LSD is the best drug in the world! Why would you want to take anything else?" vs. "LSD would appear to be popular among [null] age group, and the recorded responses indicated it was because of X, Y, and Z. Here is more info (scientific link) if you want to read more."

Other areas of BL permit people to emote about drugs regardless of the inaccuracies, but the MAPS section will hold people to a higher standard. The MAPS mods are currently assessing whether or not the rules need to be re-stated more clearly. For now, please adhere to the stated rules as best you can. The rules are, for the most part, unambiguous.
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Don't get me wrong Folley I think this is a great thread in the right place, Like Foreigner stated it is all about how we word things, I highly dought MAPS wants wants to hear about all the drugs we consumed, however I think they are more interested in what we all have done to recover and our harm reduction methods. If they ever need to reference these threads there not going to want to quote someone admitting to consuming everything under the sun, thats why it needs to be kept more about the science and health aspects along with research.



bloodshed344 said:
How can we talk about psychedelic abUSE without talking about psychedelic USE?
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The issue at hand is Personal drug use, saying I took this that and the other thing is unneeded here, everyone gets the main point.

Sorry for being a crab apple, I just think this MAPS thread is an amazing treat to the BL community and there organization can make real changes in the world with our help, so we should follow the rules and leave personal drug use stories out, that is just my misely little opinion.

<3 yALL
 
EarthBounded said:
Don't get me wrong Folley I think this is a great thread in the right place, Like Foreigner stated it is all about how we word things, I highly dought MAPS wants wants to hear about all the drugs we consumed, however I think they are more interested in what we all have done to recover and our harm reduction methods. If they ever need to reference these threads there not going to want to quote someone admitting to consuming everything under the sun, thats why it needs to be kept more about the science and health aspects along with research.





The issue at hand is Personal drug use, saying I took this that and the other thing is unneeded here, everyone gets the main point.

Sorry for being a crab apple, I just think this MAPS thread is an amazing treat to the BL community and there organization can make real changes in the world with our help, so we should follow the rules and leave personal drug use stories out, that is just my misely little opinion.

<3 yALL
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Well, I was being a crabapple a bit too... Anyways, yeah I can see your point. It is possible to relay general information without going into specifics but of course this isn't as helpful as all the details would be.
 
Taking mushrooms, especially that much, every week, is extremely dangerous to mental health. MAPS, I think psychs have an invaluable use in psychiatry but I'm all about hr and will jump in when something which bad advice could be extrapolated from is written.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Taking mushrooms, especially that much, every week, is extremely dangerous to mental health. MAPS, I think psychs have an invaluable use in psychiatry but I'm all about hr and will jump in when something which bad advice could be extrapolated from is written.
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But it's not dangerous to everyone, right?

Which is what makes this all so confusing. To people who it would be dangerous for, why is it affecting their mind this way?
 
I think very few drugs which don't double as toxins are dangerous to everyone. The general rule is that if you're mentally unstable that behavior is very dangerous.

You're getting into genetic polymorphisms.
 
Foreigner said:
I just wanted to clarify this a bit further, based on what I know. Because this is a research oriented forum, people's personal and subjective reporting is less important. For instance, someone stating their personal truth about a drug may not correspond to the current research findings, and thus there would be conflict. Likewise, some statements are simply personal ones and cannot be subject to positive or negative review. i.e. "LSD is the best drug in the world! Why would you want to take anything else?" vs. "LSD would appear to be popular among [null] age group, and the recorded responses indicated it was because of X, Y, and Z. Here is more info (scientific link) if you want to read more."

Other areas of BL permit people to emote about drugs regardless of the inaccuracies, but the MAPS section will hold people to a higher standard. The MAPS mods are currently assessing whether or not the rules need to be re-stated more clearly. For now, please adhere to the stated rules as best you can. The rules are, for the most part, unambiguous.
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Posts about personal drug use are accepted in the Psychedelic Harm Reduction forum, as long as they relate to psychedelic harm reduction. If and when conversations turn into experience reports instead of harm reduction advice, we will need to either remove the offending posts or remind the thread to stay on the topic of harm reduction.

This thread is fine for now, though expect a new thread in this forum that includes modified rules.

Thanks to everyone who has participated so far!
 
For every individual person, and for each, individual exposure (time, locale, and personality/identity at that very freeze-frame moment in time) to the substance, LSD, is also a very different, a separate, a unique, and singular psychological equivalent of taking a wildcard from a full deck, or if you prefer, risking a chance exposure to psychological wildfire. I say LSD, because frankly, it's what I consider the mother of all psychedelics in the majority of U.S. society and culture and also because of the relatively new recognition of 2^x number of entheogens, other psychedelics, and an ever-increasing population of psychotropics that I wouldn't dare try to list comprehensively; so, please extend me some latitude here and treat LSD as an all-inclusive term, a representative for these substances.

I believe I understand why moderators, readers, sharers, (i.e., everyone) want to have readily available here reliable, concrete, immutable facts that have been derived by research experiments, from confirmed hypotheses, successful trials, and an arsenal of theories. In other words, that the hallmarks of "fully trustable" sources such as these have also led to documentation in the form of peer-reviewed, published articles written by Yale post-doctoral researchers, guided by Harvard professors, and reviewed before final publication by the best and brightest in their respective fields from Johns-Hopkins, Princeton General, the FDA, and then finally gaining approval by the National Institutes of Health and Mental Health. In other words, we continue to believe that there exists readily available to us information, tested, fact-based conclusions we can locate and then present--as well as rely on (and make conclusions from)--with virtually ZERO DOUBT as to its validity. Therefore, we can derive conclusions and corollaries from this information to further our understanding of these given substances and their effects on humans. I understand how useful such information would be, but why would any government department, pharmaceutical company, etc, believe that doing so would make for a sound financial investment? If there’s a treasure trove of primary sources regarding LSD’s effects on the human psyche please point me in the right direction, because I’m dying to read it!

-Fernis
 
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