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(Potentially mislabelled Methoxetamine? / ~100mg ) - Complete and total insanity!

e1evene1even

e1evene1even

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Had probably the most intense experience of my life last night (aside from ayahuasca in Peru). Not entirely sure it was even MXE.

I'd consider myself very experienced with MXE (though not as much in higher doses). I received a new batch from a different vendor and the effects felt different to previous batches of MXE (I've noticed variation before but not to this extent).

I took about 30mg oral (regular dose, and I had some K tolerance which I normally don't), then approximately 100mg broken into 3 insufflated doses over a few hours since the effects seemed considerably weaker. I had taken a little MPA and EPH and a lot of ketamine (by my standards) the night before but nothing else.

Very little of what I enjoyed about MXE was present, just a bit of disorientation and general sketchy feeling (things felt "off", but not in the way like K or previous experiences with MXE). The after effects of the initial dose lasted longer and just felt sloppy/disconnecting compared to the general clear-headed, energetic stimulation I normally get. My physical coordinated was impaired in a way that was different as well. I also was experiencing many auditory hallucinations (not alterations) which I've never gotten from MXE or K.

Eventually, I just lost the plot completely and panicked thinking I was going to die (possible OD on something mislabelled). Manically pacing around, stripped naked, making a huge mess. My apartment was generally the same, but things looked, and functioned differently. Shortly though nothing was normal. Rather than visual perception being altered, I was hallucinating things that weren't actually there. I wanted to go to the hospital but couldn't find my phone to call 911. I yelled for help, but no one heard. I tried to leave to get help but couldn't (in retrospect, thank god I didn't leave to roam the streets naked in the middle off the night of a major city in this state!).

Luckily I found my xanax. It is pure unweighed powder so almost impossible to dose sober with a milligram scale let alone in my current state. Not sure how much I took, but it was the right amount apparently (had risperidone in the freezer, but that could've been a bad choice).

Very soon after, I was mentally very calm, almost sober-headed and no longer felt in any physical danger (don't know if I ever was or if it was a panic reaction though I think my BP/pulse was elevated and think I had some vasoconstriction as well). Despite being mentally "sober", visually I was still in a complete other reality. Total immersion in another world. Constantly morphing, full or people and spirits though they didn't interact with me. They had a 3D photorealism and solidity while still being malleable (though I couldn't touch them). At this point I knew it wasn't "real" and had no fear, but was actually in awe of the experience amazed how I could manipulate the visions. I felt a bit how an experienced shaman may feel, powerful and comfortable with the "spirits'. The difference from something like ayahuasca or DMT is that rather than being immobilized I was way more physically active than normal. If I moved around I would bump into things in sober reality even though I couldn't see them at all. After randomly stumbling around, and bumping into things I was able to find what I assumed was my bed. After a while more I sobered up mostly and was able to "see" again.

I've never done PCP but I think I was in a similar state to reports I've read. I highly doubt what I took was PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, or even MXE but perhaps another RC dissociative that is less like K/MXE and has more of the madness/insanity of PCP. I've noticed the vendor no longer has MXE listed and I plan to contact them for more information. IF it was MXE, the way I would compare the initial differences is a bit like S-ketamine vs. racemic. Less warm, tingly diffused euphoric and more "clinical" and emotionally cold dissociation/detachment.

I woke up this morning feeling a little tired, but otherwise completely normal. I remember things pretty clearly too , especially the latter effects where my hallucinations were mostly visual.

Have any experienced MXE users had a similar experience?
 
Based on the reports I've read, it seems a very likely candidate. I've contacted the vendor for more information, but they are not always forthcoming about such things. :\

This was my first close call in almost 10 years of using research chemicals, I still can't believe I'm not dead or in jail.
 
^Yes, although I did think to put on a single (not strategically placed) shoe before I tried to leave. ;)

I contacted the vendor and they just responded that indeed the batch was too impure to sell and even their supplier had noticed so they returned it. Hopefully they didn't sell very much before returning it.

They gave me a credit for my purchase which is nice, but I really think customers should be noticed in instances like this. I don't even want to know what possible contaminants are coming out of sketchy labs in China as it certainly felt toxic... :?
 
^ Yes another dissociative used in veterinary medicine often combined with a benzo. Most people report it not being worth the bother.
 
e1evene1even said:
Very little of what I enjoyed about MXE was present, just a bit of disorientation and general sketchy feeling (things felt "off", but not in the way like K or previous experiences with MXE). The after effects of the initial dose lasted longer and just felt sloppy/disconnecting compared to the general clear-headed, energetic stimulation I normally get.
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I have only done what was supposedly MXE once and the only effects I got were exactly what you described
 
Hey, I'd like to give you a little warning as I was addicted (or at least craved to) using a combination of benzos and MXE for almost a year.

This was something I just stumbled upon by chance and doesn't seem to be very common as I believe I haven't read any reports on it.

Anyway, I never enjoyed MXE by itself and would get just the kind of effects you described, no matter where I got it from. I also never got much out of benzos. BUT one night after I'd had a hard day and had no other drugs I somehow ended up doing a bit of both and to my great suprise experienced a very enjoyable, noticable high.

It's pretty difficult to describe as it's not really like anything else, maybe more like a speedy downer or almost a kind of speedball (as MXE is also a stimulant) with a very slight psychedelic feel, as the benzos kill most of it, more a feeling of being removed from reality and being very creative and unconventional in your thinking (maybe a bit like weed). It might bring out the opiate aspect of MXE aswell.

Anyway, it's definitely recreational, but it's a risky combination and there are two things everyone should be particularly aware of.

1) Tolerance rises dramatically and very noticably from day to day. The first day when tolerance is very low you need to be extra special careful as one or two benzos are enough (even if of course you can crave more to get higher). But what it does is make you black out instead of get you higher which happened to me countless times just from taking one more (or 3 in the same space of time instead of two).

It's just like a benzo blackout where you will be awake moving around in an unconscious state and it can last for a whole day, even more if you keep redosing. Obviously, this is extremely dangerous and I thank my guardian angels nothing seriously bad happened to me. The second day you seem to be pretty much out of danger, though, or at least unlikely to black out anymore.

2) So the tolerance rises very rapidly day by day, and after 5 days it's pretty much useless and pointless to take. At least I found only 5 days in a row would be effective and I had to take a few days break to make it work again. I never got any physical addiction from it, though, it was just a preference.

So that is something to keep in mind if you're gonna try it - be VERY cautious with dosing on the first day - even two benzos might be too much, depending on your body chemistry. Also, stay inside or in a safe place, as you're not in a state to be safe out in traffic, or anything. And avoid being around or talking to people if you want to hide your drug-use from them - as it makes you slur your words and seem obviously high, even if you don't feel like it.

I think that sums it up pretty well.
 
^interesting. I've been reading about DXM/ketamine preventing benzo tolerance and assumed MXE would work by a similar mechanism but reading about such rapid tolerance in your experience with the combo seems to contradict this.
 
Interesting trip report and thank *insert celestial being here* for that one shoe on your foot. Made me chuckle. And indeed, so that's how people end up naked on the streets. Intriguing story. Glad to hear you came out of it well and were even able to enjoy the apparitions. Thanks for the write up, anyway. :) Do you think you'll ever find out what was in that unpure MXE powder? Do you suppose the vendor knows?

I'm so thankful that our government provides legal test services so users can anonymously test their substances (for free in most cases). Doesn't mean some people still die, but it's better than nothing. Glad you're ok, 1111!
 
Reverend Random said:
Do you think you'll ever find out what was in that unpure MXE powder? Do you suppose the vendor knows?
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Hard to say. I had given some to a friend prior and she did a fair bit and said she had her craziest "MXE" trip too (way higher dissociative tolerance than me btw). I tried a very small dose again today (3-5mg) which with MXE normally gives me a pleasant detachment followed by a mood lift/energy and even this small dose just had me feeling "out of it" in an unpleasant way for a fair bit longer than MXE would.

At least point I think the best thing to do is just trash the stuff and be done with it. :\
 
Another update I feel is worth mentioning.

I spoke more with my friend who had a few heavy trips with this batch and she reported symtoms of physical toxicity persisting for over 24hrs which hadn't originally been mentioned to me. Foolishly I figured if someone else had taken way more than I did and only had an intense trip it couldn't be that bad so rather than tossing it I used it some more.

After a few days of using it in smaller repeated doses I had a pain that started in my left armpit and it only got worse progressing all the way through my arm down to my wrist on the other side and also kidney pain which could be some kind of cumulative toxicity. It felt like a severely strained muscle although I didn't do anything physical to cause it. I now have a very thick yellow bruise from my armpit to my elbow and still a lot of tenderness/pain throughout my arm. When I told my friend she mentioned she had pain in her left arm too the day after using and swelling in her wrist in the same area I have pain.

I have no proof this is related to the contaminated MXE but I think its quite likely. I've read about contaminated batches of 4-MeO-PCP and that PCC is metabolised into cyanide, although from what I understand MXE synthesis does not involve PCC as an intermediate step so it's not likely the cause. While I have no idea what possible contaminants could be in this (or any) MXE they are not likely benign. :(
 
I did about 250g of MXE over the course of 1.5 years or so. When I got it from a reputable source, 95% of the time it was good. Sometimes weak, sometimes not great, but at least "legit".

When occasionally I had to switch to an unknown source, I'd say 20% of the time it was weird shit exactly like you describe. Too strong, way dysphoric, bad physical side effects. Must have been some kind of strong dissociative but one that isn't recreational or probably even medicinal at all. And tasted like chalky garbage.

Luck of the draw when you're buying from a fresh source.

By the way I quit MXE because it was giving me hypertension, a state of hypomania that people started to question my behavior, and a few times I almost had a seizure.

I think it's a great drug but it's not the kind of thing I can put aside for special occasions, if you know what I mean.
 
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