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2C-B: Subjective Effects and Potential Clinical Uses (Video)

Just about to log off, but ill deffo be looking at this tommorow, as im doing a lot of researching regarding 2c-b, as its the next thing i want to try ( Wanted too for ages )
 
I am glad to see formal research with 2c-b. It is one of my favorite compounds and has proved to be by far the best for therapeutic usage for me. It is usually regarded as mild but has the potential to be extremely powerful in certain parts of the trip. I think it could potentially be more valuable than the more commonly used psychedelics in a therapeutic setting.

Even though it's great to see 2c-b getting more attention, it doesn't look like this initial report has much valuable information to offer. You basically could have looked on erowid and come to the same conclusions. I also have an issue with his methodology, specifically how the participants were asked to classify the drug as a "hallucinogen" and report if they had "hallucinations". I worry that the criteria were unclear as to what would constitute a hallucination and what they meant, if anything, by a drug being a hallucinogen.

He announced that they are doing a second trial, which is good news. I am especially happy to learn that they are going to also try out 2c-b + mdma. I feel that additional exploration of this combo could offer improvements to existing practices of mdma psychotherapy.
 
He is not a native English speaker. I don't like using the word 'hallucinogen' either but it is just a word.

Re: mildness

I used to think 2C-B was pretty 'overrated' after my first try with it (@24mg) was not what I thought it would be. Years later (same batch) 24mg gave me a STRONG +++ that I could bearly handle. Since then, I've really come to respect this psychedelic. Had 30mg a couple weeks ago with a friend and trip was such a beautiful night (and his introduction to the world of phenethylamines). 2C-B and 2C-C both are up there with mescaline in my book.

Alexander Shulgin said:
I am glad to see formal research with 2c-b. It is one of my favorite compounds and has proved to be by far the best for therapeutic usage for me. It is usually regarded as mild but has the potential to be extremely powerful in certain parts of the trip. I think it could potentially be more valuable than the more commonly used psychedelics in a therapeutic setting.

Even though it's great to see 2c-b getting more attention, it doesn't look like this initial report has much valuable information to offer. You basically could have looked on erowid and come to the same conclusions. I also have an issue with his methodology, specifically how the participants were asked to classify the drug as a "hallucinogen" and report if they had "hallucinations". I worry that the criteria were unclear as to what would constitute a hallucination and what they meant, if anything, by a drug being a hallucinogen.

He announced that they are doing a second trial, which is good news. I am especially happy to learn that they are going to also try out 2c-b + mdma. I feel that additional exploration of this combo could offer improvements to existing practices of mdma psychotherapy.
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morninggloryseed said:
He is not a native English speaker. I don't like using the word 'hallucinogen' either but it is just a word.

Re: mildness

I used to think 2C-B was pretty 'overrated' after my first try with it (@24mg) was not what I thought it would be. Years later (same batch) 24mg gave me a STRONG +++ that I could bearly handle. Since then, I've really come to respect this psychedelic. Had 30mg a couple weeks ago with a friend and trip was such a beautiful night (and his introduction to the world of phenethylamines). 2C-B and 2C-C both are up there with mescaline in my book.
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Haven't tasted mescaline yet, but I have tried 2c-b up to 22mg and 2c-c up to 40mg. 20mg of 2c-b with a strong dose of edible canna-oil gave me the strongest trip I ever had. The main point of it was maybe a minute or so, but it blows away everything else I have tried, even 400ug lsd + mdma + hash + nitrous. Incredible connection with an entity in my subconscious that I had obsessed over for quite some time - an impossibly intense catharsis and release - intensely therapeutic - very strong euphoria both physical and psychological.

I agree, 2c-b is usually mild, but that is by no means an absolute judgement. If a shaman/therapist could reliably induce the experience that blindsided me on that one trip, it would be quite the boon to psychotherapy.
 
Alexander Shulgin said:
20mg of 2c-b with a strong dose of edible canna-oil gave me the strongest trip I ever had. Incredible connection with an entity in my subconscious that I had obsessed over for quite some time
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Was the entity of an Eastern sort...'hindu-like'? Just curious as I see that sort of vision nearly always on 2C-B trips as of late.
 
European female, and only a face. The other faces were also female but vaguely defined. None of the faces necessarily were the "person" in my subconscious, but still represented it.
 
I'm not being skeptical, but when I experienced 2C-B, I seemed to be in a normal state of mind. It didn't open up my emotions like MDMA or sort of cloud/play with the ego like 2C-C seemed to do. I seem to see a lot of people saying that 2C-B is very thereupetical, I just didn't see it, I guess.
 
Define therapeutic? On my end, it took many years to see the real potental of 2C-B. When I finally got some 2C-B I was already a 2C-T-7 lover, and had already blown my ego on 2C-E...so the 24mg of 2C-B was fairly mild and I dismissed the entire substance as 'nothing but recreational potential.' Having said that, if I gave someone 2C-B and I remained 'sober' and choose to direct the trip to a specific issue...with the idea of focusing on it and working through the issue....(ego talking here) I am pretty sure some 'therapy' would arise from it. ;)

Yeah...2C-B is one of the good ones. I still like 2C-C better (out of the halo-PEAs anyway) but the focus, clearness, ease on the body, and little chance of causing panic (up to 36mg on my end is the highest I've gone) makes 2C-B an idea candidate for exploring the subconscious of a non-head with a head (i.e. patient with a therapist.)

Lococo said:
I'm not being skeptical, but when I experienced 2C-B, I seemed to be in a normal state of mind. It didn't open up my emotions like MDMA or sort of cloud/play with the ego like 2C-C seemed to do. I seem to see a lot of people saying that 2C-B is very thereupetical, I just didn't see it, I guess.
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Well I guess I've seen it described as therapeutic the same way MDMA has been described, opening up thoughts, laying bare deep-seeded emotions without fear of judgment. To me, 2C-B was some of the best visuals I've ever experienced. Not necessarily a "trip" feeling either, very calm and relaxed. I can see deep, meaningful conversations being held on 2C-B, but I just didn't notice the opening up of the emotional part of the brain. For me, anyways.
 
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I've never seen the relation myself between MDMA and 2C-B. The only '2C' that has any of what real MDMA does (for me, in my world) is 2C-T-7. Even mescaline didn't really have it.
 
MGS, you stated that you still prefer 2C-C to -B. could you perhaps compare and contrast the two as far as subjective effects and potential value as a healing tool? I'm curious because I've got both, and I've just been sitting on this -C for a while because I've been focusing instead on very high dose 2C-D recently. That said if I had to choose I expect that it would be very hard not to pick 2C-B as my all-around favorite PEA, and I've usually heard that its chlorinated cousin isn't much similar. I'm really not a fan of 2C-I, I find it to be really quite inert and not inspiring, so I may go ahead and get around to trying this 2C-C and is be interested what to expect as far as whether or not it has much similarity to 2C-B.
 
You know as soon as I typed that out (2C-B vs 2C-C), I immediately thought that I don't really feel that way. I think 2C-B and 2C-C are easily equal. 2C-B is certainly more 'fun' and has a fun stimulating edge, is not only 'visionary' but extremely visual, and (as the legend says) is out-of-this-world in the erotic aspect. 2C-C is more relaxed, feels more 'earthly' and actually reminds me of mescaline more than any of the other 2Cs.

If I had to call them out...I'd say 2C-B is the more 'therapeutic' one and 2C-C is the more 'healing/spiritual' one but those are gross generalizations. They both can do either, just they tend to have different personalities if that makes sense...2C-B being the edgy workaholic and 2C-C being the chilled, zen guy.

2C-D is also GREAT material though I have not yet tried it again post ibogaine. And I have never taken 2C-D to a 'high dose' so there is a lot to it that I just am not aware of. 2C-I made the rubbish bin years ago.

In my own world, my 'view' on all individual psychedelics seems to be changing as I re-explore them post iboga. Next up....2C-E.
 
From my experience, the "therapeutic" aspect of 2c-b was nothing like that of mdma. With mdma, you are able to open up to certain suggestions and face challenging problems without fear. The therapeutic 2c-b experience was intensely visual and conceptually, overwhelming in intensity. It inspired a supreme sense of power and self-confidence. It was more like the visuals formed a representation of the negative thought patterns and obsessions I was battling at the time. The entity was brought forth out of my subconscious and I killed it. Gravity rotated 90 degrees and I started flying above it, multicolored tentacles of light started growing out of my body towards the "thing" and I began sucking out its energy. I felt like I was a magician banishing an evil spirit to the underworld. This entire episode built up, peaked, resolved itself, and went away over the course of about a minute. The next day, I felt like a new person, and I never even thought about the thing I was obsessed with for months afterwards. I also noticed various other compulsive tendencies completely terminated.

If mdma is like talking with a therapist, then 2c-b was like psychedelic electro-shock therapy.
 
Ok, you greatly helped my understanding. Maybe next time I need to try a heavier dose of 2C-B ;)
 
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