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Prescription questions (NOT a how do I get thread)

BlindHelperMonkey said:
hey, wonder if you can help clear up something for me. my gf does these (IA injection) at her work but doesnt seem to associate the intense pain i have experienced when IV'ing heroin and accidently injecting into the artery. we suspect it is an issue of sterility or Ph. have you ever experienced pain while having the IA injection administered?
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I've always assumed it was the citric that made it so painful. I've hit arteries with Vit C solution and it's definitely not as painful as citric... but is still pretty fukkin painful :!

I accidentally shot a shitload of ketamine into an artery once (bottle of gin + casually IMing industrial quantities of ketamine into yer backside = Bad Idea :D) and felt no pain whatsoever. Did hospitalise me, mind. Don't shoot stuff IA, kiddies ;)
 
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did you feel anything off the IA ket, or was it hard to tell it being half and half IM?


couple of times, i VERY stupidly intentionally shot into an artery on my left arm that felt (from the feeling of distribution) that it supplied blood to somewhere in my bicep. going extremely slowly, .05ml a time or so - i was able to 'ride' the wave of pain each time and fully inject it.. the reason i did this is because i was ignorant as to how dangerous injecting street drugs into an artery can be and i was absolutely desperate at the time. also, that particular artery was a lot less painful than others i had hit in the past - ones to extremities usually being the worst - my point with the ket is,.. i found it did infact take my rattle away, though i felt no rush or euphoria



the shit we put ourselves through eh
 
Ket is apparently really iffy in an artery even from vials. Has all kindsa freaky side-effects, blindness, palpitations and death being the ones that loomed largest. Got the palpitations in a big fukkin way. Tunnel vision too. Also a complete inability to speak. Not due to fukkedness - it actually sobered me up instantly and had zero of the usual ketty effects - but simply unable to produce sound beyond more than a cracked whisper at best. Paramedics thought I was doing it to annoy them :\

Actually, paramedics were outright arseholes. Had never heard of ketamine and kept asking me what it was and why I would want to take it. Annoyed the shit outta me as was kinda distracted at the time. Nurses where great when we got to civilisation though. Shitty and worrisome effects had mostly worn off by then so mostly just chatted. Nurses are great for drug stories =D

Have shot street gear into arteries deliberately before - just extremely fukkin slowly. Is a terrible idea but HR info was pretty thin on the ground back then and junkies will do more or less anything to get it 'em when needs must anyway :\
 
Hahahahahhha! It really did feel pretty dicey from the moment it hit actually, Issy. Just this weird cold feeling, sudden and complete return of utter sobriety, and with that feeling you get when you just know you just did a Bad Thing. Made the schoolboy error of looking up effects of IA ketamine when I got very nervy about chest issues and tunnel vision which is when I took meself up to the local hospital. Mostly to be largely ignored and pointed and laughed at :\
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
"Yeah this is nothing excessive" was the most misleading introductory five words of a post I've ever read on BL.
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LOL, for a man who types such long posts Limpet Chicken is still a man of mystery.

All this talk of IA injecting is scaring the shit out of me. Isn't that a sure fire way to loose all your blood to ejaculate all over the walls and ceiling ?
 
Only if you shoot into major arteries. Have only hit one major one (femoral) accidentally one time and that was pretty kewl actually. Proper cartoony comedy blood squirt shot straight out and up a wall across the room. Definitely not places you wanna go poking at with sharp things 8o
 
yeah, its one of those things where the dangers are a bit overstated - but nobody cares because its good practice. the idea that should you graze an artery you are in dire need of an ambulance/likely to lose your leg is for the most part myth. being an idiot, i have, long ago - when desperately digging for my sunken femoral, a few times registered the artery, pulled out, then continued prodding for a few minutes till i finally hit the vein - by the time i finally lay down and applied pressure to the artery, i was covered in blood and a bit sore the next day, but that was about it


it should be noted that this is dangerous, but i dont think causing panic in someone who makes a mistake is a helpful idea. still a stupid idea not to stop and apply pressure for ten minutes straight away though - as for the next couple days my groin was far too swollen to access anything. however inconveniant, not following good practice simply fucks things up for yourself down the line - running out of usable veins is no fun
 
The phenyltropane core structural scaffolding is the beginining of quite a series of DAT blockers, coke analogs more or less, quite a few developed thus far.

This particular one is a LOT longer lasting, very low local anaesthesia on contact with mucus membranes so I strongly suspect that sodium channel blockade is attenuated significantly and that thus any cardiac issues will likewise be less significant, if present, as the anaesthetic properties seem extremely weak, and the stimulant potency high, and long lasting. Although I couldn't say how much was taken, as it was impossible to weigh, just an empty bag, with some powder residue clinging to the sides, which was washed free with water, then plugged. Not enough to weigh, and had there been, most would have been lost during transfer, just some scraps really, but quite enough to make itself known.

Glad I got those sorted out in the end. Would have been ugly otherwise. I thought I wasn't going to be able to, other than the oxy (went to three places in the same town, the first had my oxy, but not all of everything else, and of course, CDs always come on separate script forms, I so went and had him fill that at the first pharmacy I tried, telling him I'd take the rest around and see where I could find them. He understood I was in a damn hurry for the oxy)

Didn't manage to get everything, the last place I tried thought they hadn't the chlormethiazole, but in the end, were able to ferret around a bit and dig out the last couple they had in stock. Had to go without a few things, but all of them minor, like having my NSAID spray ordered in, and having to wait a while for my new lot of topical steroids, in any case, I already have leftovers of both, certainly enough to last until then.


Oh, and who the fuck are you calling cunt and bomb maker? cunt yourself, if 'ye didnae lack the warmth, depth and potential usefulness to humankind requisite for qualifying as a true, bona fide cunt. :P
 
And oops....

I did NOT mean intrarterial injection, intra-articular, meaning into a joint.

I.e big fuckoff turkey baster in the knee and hips every so often.

I know what people mean about trying to boot up where dissociatives are involved. Trying to get shot no.6-7 of MXE/4-MeO-PCP etc. in there is easier said than done. Although when one gets to the point where one misses an IM, thats when its time to find another route of administration=D

But I'd certainly never suggest anyone shoot into an artery, christ, you'd have to be a desperate sonofabitch. I don't get how people end up shooting in their femoral/fishing tackle, when one can simply take a needle off, and stick it somewhere else, so to speak. Not pleasant, but it beats the buggery out of trying to shoot into either.
 
It really is a bit weird the way people are about injections. Like in my case I absolutely point-blank refused to ever even consider hitting up my groin... but did once hit up in my dick cos somehow that was less "bad"?!? If it wasn't for the fact that it really frikkin hurt the one time I did I still would probably. Even now with virtually no functioning veins left anywhere on my body I would never dream of going for the femoral. Odd really. But probably for the best considering. When groin shots go wrong they can go very fukkin wrong indeed :|
 
And sticking it in 'yer dick can't?

Either place is off limits to me.

More than anything though its other people doing it to me that I find the worst, when it comes to injections. I let my doc handle doing it into my joints for obvious reasons, no experience doing that myself, and of course, it would be extremely difficult to do into the back of my hip by feeling around in the dark.

But most anything else, I'll take it and do the job myself, not sure why, but it gives me the fucking heeby jeebies otherwise. Tactile sensitivity thing perhaps, I don't know. That, and a lot of nurses do not seem very good at it. I've had a few odd looks before after grabbing whatever they are trying to make a pincushion out of me and actually drawing blood the first time, without having to poke around hoping they got lucky.

Funny as hell to see the look on their faces, suggesting they practice on a few more oranges in their spare time =D
 
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lol... total fucking opposite with me. no problem in the past going at my groin with big dutty 3ml's, but theres no way id ever hit the dick. im also very weary of internal jugular self-injection - no problem getting others to do it so long as i trust em, i say no problem.. its actually a big fucking problem, scary and unpleasent to endure. but doing it reverse-style in the mirror is even scarier


limpet - intraarticular makes more sense. g/f does those too... they usually have to use 3ml 1.75" heads to reach. as for up the arse injection, for me personally, i might as well squirt it out on the carpet. once youve got a decent IV habit, even IM dont touch the walls - nevermind smoking/insuphlated/rectal and the like
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Right....I have a bit of a bloody problem here.

So...this isn't something like some greenlighters post asking how do I get a script for *insert drug here*

I actually already have a regular prescription, so I don't even have a reason to try that, and I'm making it clear beforehand, that I don't WANT advice along those lines.

What I want to know, is can a pharmacist 'decide' that a patient 'doesn't need' the things appearing on a valid NHS prescription, issued not ten minutes previous, during a face-to-face appointment with his regular GP? and whats more, can they then, after refusing to issue said rx, refuse to hand them back over to the patient?

I was pretty lucky, I get the sense, that I got them back. Had to stand there, doing my best to look as unmovable as a ten ton truckload of concrete, waiting, looking pissed off, and just waited until she came out and realized that I'd have been stood there all day until I did get them back, as the script includes oxycontin 80s, and antiseizure meds amongst quite a few other things.

So does a pharmacist in the UK (england specifically) have the right to do this? can they simply overrule a prescribing doctor and deprive a patient of a legitimate rx ? because if not, you bloody well bet I'm about to drop her in it arse deep in alligators.

Cheeky bitch actually phoned the next nearest pharmacy to pursuade them to do the same, and to be real honest, I am bloody livid with the cunt. The one in the next place was really , really rude as well. Bloody miserable cow if ever I saw one.


This first place never put in question the validity and legality of the prescriptions, they KNEW that they were, and never tried to ask anyone at the surgery if they were or not, thats not the issue here, but just 'deciding' I didn't need them.
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... can anyone link me to a "how do I get" thread?
 
Shambles said:
I absolutely point-blank refused to ever even consider hitting up my groin... Even now with virtually no functioning veins left anywhere on my body I would never dream of going for the femoral. Odd really. But probably for the best considering. When groin shots go wrong they can go very fukkin wrong indeed :|
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Same here!! I vowed never to go in my groin, neck or, (unlike your good self), dick - how you can see that as LESS wrong than your groin beats me :!

On the one hand, if I had started using major veins then my hands, feet, arms and legs probably wouldn't be in such a mess as they are now, but on the other hand, I probably wouldn't have stopped digging until my legs, dick or head fell off.

EVERYONE I know who started using their groins eventually got DVT, or even lost a leg. The amount of bagheads on crutches round here is unbelievable. I tend to push things as far as I can, but I ain't bloody stupid...
 
Does them herself (to herself, that is) ?

And yes, its always a great fucking huge needle. Making my joints ache just thinking about that.

As for IV vs rectal vs IM, etc...

I'm going to assume opiates...right? or are you talking about dissociatives. For the latter I'd certainly agree, nothing like it.
But I'm not sure I agree about opiates. Not a great deal of difference to me, IV vs plugging, in the case of oxycontin.
And the disadvantage of shooting, is when one really bloody NEEDS a dose, due to onset of withdrawal, its near impossible to manage a decent IV if there are severe myoclonic twitches, etc. (which I get anyway, opioids or no). I shot plenty of the stuff, but then CBA to order more rigs once I started finding it hard to get hold of MXE/4-MeO-PCP/NEK etc. etc.

I just couldn't be bothered, when an ordinary measuring syringe did the job just as well.
 
ah.. im just a poor boy and nobody loves me, see? never had the good fortune to shoot or even swallow oxy's or any strong opioid for that matter. never shot dissociatives either - far too much of a vanilla pussy for that. shambles is yer man for that type o madness. for me it was just long term, heavy heroin use. i also have a fucked up metabolism, heroin has less intrinsic effect on me than anyone ive ever met. i agree with you that its preferable to when withdrawing to get it in via some ROA or anotherr, rather than risk missing an IV (my veins were terrible towards the end, it became an hour long, shooting-in-finger-veins ordeal to get myself) ...but hey, im a greedy bastard - i wanted that euphoric high too :\


can only tell you what i experienced personally - that is rectal/smoking werent even worth bothering with towards the end. though like i said, i was used to shitty UK smack, not strong opioids like yourself


and lol, nah the mrs is a junior doc. thats why she sticks needles in folk :D
 
oh and limpet, were you IM'ing or IV'ing the meo-pcp? and how much at a time? thats fucking brutal. snorting was enough for me with that stuff - though i can totally see the allure to cranking mxe, the amount we were shoving up our noses in order to breakthrough towards the end was quite frankly ridiculous
 
Both. I didn't insufflate it that many times actually.

Not that I advise it, but I was a fucking pig with the stuff, couldn't really say how much in one go, more like average usage about 10g/week. 1g? bah....I'd be lucky if it lasted all day. Of the lot of newish (now banned) arylcyclohexylamines I've tried (exp. includes ket, MXE, 4-MeO- 3-MeO- and 3-OH-PCP, n-ethylketamine and deschloroket) MXE/4-MeO-PCP were the best of the common ones. Only managed to get hold of a small, very small amount of 3-OH-PCP, and I daresay, at an absolutely disgusting price.

3-OH-PCP outshone the fucking lot, absolutely amazing stuff (and heh, even better when shot with a couple of OC80s in the same rig, not that its a great idea)

And I'd sooner have a H connect and NOT be in constant pain, than have the oxy rx and struggle to walk. Has to be at LEAST a year now, that my doc and I have been harassing the physio people to get me a fucking appointment. And now, developed trochanteric bursitis, which is unbelievably fucking nasty to say the very least, I don't know if I could manage the physio itself without having it operated on, I've exhausted most of the other options I know of (steroid shots, courses of strong oral steroids, NSAIDs down the hatch and topically, opioids etc) and its just getting worse.
 
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