Two questions regarding methadone and suboxone..

[yo0123yo]

So I was on suboxone maintenance for over 3 months until last month when i got completely detoxed from opiates and now i can get a couple of methadone pills, now i do know that methadone is very dangerous and not to exceed 5mg at first. My question is, will i feel a great opiate high from methadone? Also another question is that my brother is currently on suboxone maintenance and his last dose was about 24 hours ago, will he feel anything if he takes and methadone now or should he wait another 24 hours? Thanks

 

[opiatekrzy]

his last dose was 24hrs ago, yes he will feel the effects DEFINETLY of any opiate, if u were on suboxone for 3 months, u realize suboxone is a strong opioid, thus making u have a tolerance, so i suggest taking more than 5mg of methadone..take 25-30mg of methadone...thats what the methadone clinic does to n ew patients as a starting dose, and at my local detox..take 30mg methadone, me i was on suboxone maintence for years on and off, and currently am now, if i take a month off i know that 50mg of methadone is enough to have me feeling pretty fucking good!

 

[yo0123yo]

his last dose was 24hrs ago, yes he will feel the effects DEFINETLY of any opiate, if u were on suboxone for 3 months, u realize suboxone is a strong opioid, thus making u have a tolerance, so i suggest taking more than 5mg of methadone..take 25-30mg of methadone...thats what the methadone clinic does to n ew patients as a starting dose, and at my local detox..take 30mg methadone, me i was on suboxone maintence for years on and off, and currently am now, if i take a month off i know that 50mg of methadone is enough to have me feeling pretty fucking good!

So after being off opiates for a while my tolerance hasnt gone down much? Im worried to take that much methadone lol probably will just start with 5-10mg and go from there

 

[opiatekrzy]

ur tolerance has not dropped that much, so iw ould say 5-10mg u wont feel anything really..honestly...i remember i quit heroin, and was clean for 3 weeks until i relapsed, and i did my normal amount, and shockingly i didnt feel a lower tolerance, i felt exactly how that 1 bag made me feel before i went into rehab, and it was the same batch of dope...so i know it wasnt quality.,.ur tolerance only went down a tiny bit, methadone is stadnardily given at starting doses of 30mg, regardless of how high ur tolerance is or what opiate ur doing..IN MY OPINION PEOPLE I THINK UR SAFE TAKING 25-30MG....MORE THAN SAFE

 

[yo0123yo]

Sweet thanks for the input.. normally i would need like 60mg of roxicodone or 60mg of hydrocodone to feel pretty fucking good, how much methadone will 60mg oxy instant or 60mg hydrocodone be equivalent to?

 

[yo0123yo]

Great advice^ I know the consequences of being hooked on opiates and that's what is keeping me from being hooked, dont think anything is wrong with having fun every once in a while...it used to be a daily thing.

 

[opiatekrzy]

chill out, let the man choose what he wants to do...its his life..geez...you can find an opioid conversaion chart somewhere where on bluelight, i know for a fact its on this site...im no expert, but based on my knowledge of 60mg of roxy, and 60mg of hydro, thats probably equivalent to about 20mg of methadone roughly? please dont quote me...try the search engine

aha! i found it, and my common sense knowledge was pretty accurate here is the conversion:
ORAL

Morphine 30 mg PO =

Heroin = 30 mg
Codeine = 200 mg
Hydrocodone = 30 mg
Oxycodone = 20 mg
Hydromorphone = 7.5 mg
Oxymorphone = 10 mg
Methadone = 5-10 mg†
Levorphanol = 4 mg
Meperidine = 300 mg
Tramadol = 150 mg§
Dihydrocodeine = 100 mg
Dextropropoxyphene = 130-200 mg*


with that being said, roughly the 20-40mg methadone region equivalent to oxycodone 60mg/hydrocodone 60mg

 

[yo0123yo]

chill out, let the man choose what he wants to do...its his life..geez...you can find an opioid conversaion chart somewhere where on bluelight, i know for a fact its on this site...im no expert, but based on my knowledge of 60mg of roxy, and 60mg of hydro, thats probably equivalent to about 20mg of methadone roughly? please dont quote me...try the search engine

Haha good lookin out man thanks. My life, I know what I am doing and and not doing...Appreciate the tips opiatekrzy and for those who try and tell others what to do... Fuck you.

 

[DynoSpec]

dude seriously you are giving terrible advice. Theres no harm reduction in telling someone who hasnt taken any opiates in 3 months to take 30mg of methadone.

start small man 10-15 =mg max, youd rather be able to try again later than have your family at your funeral right? i only scanned but i saw no mention of sub doses so for all we know he could have been on the lower end.

and seriously, saying fuck you to a guy who just wants to look out for you, even though he doesnt know you.. check your self before you wreck yourself

 

[Morphling]

15mg might do ya. What opiatekrzy is suggesting might not be such a great idea, considering that the methadone clinics are dosing people who are already using heroin daily, which you obviously are not.

 

[yo0123yo]

15mg might do ya. What opiatekrzy is suggesting might not be such a great idea, considering that the methadone clinics are dosing people who are already using heroin daily, which you obviously are not.

Thanks for the help guys, I took 10mg methadone 2 hours ago and another 10mg one hour ago, feeling pretty good. Max I would do today is most likely just 30mg. Also being off of opiates for 3 months, will i feel withdrawal the next day after just using once?

Also in my brothers case, he is currently on suboxone maintenance @ 8mg suboxone daily, last dose was about 36 hours ago, what would be a good methadone dose to start with to feel a decent high?

 

[opiatekrzy]

actually methadone clinics aren't dosing just heroin addicts starting at 30mg. believe it or not, heroin addicts/opiate addicts are the MINORITY at the clinics in NY, most of the people are there for pain management....i would know...i was started on 30mg for pain management due to a car accident and injuries, and i was not an opiate user at the time...im giving this guy advice and protocol that LICENSED PHYSICIANS are using, and by the way much more knowledgable then you.

i still think ur brother can handle 40mg or 30mg, if its been 36 hours, when i was on subs, i used to stop taking subs purposely to take methadone cuz methadone is my favorite opiate and i would take 40mg and that gave me a decent controllable buzz, most of the time after stopping subs (being on 3 a day) and waiting 24hrs, i would take 60mg of methadone, and i still handled it...

^see i wouldnt put u in harms way, i was right 30mgs i told u would be tolerable for you, and was i right? yes. why? because a physician started me on 30mg with no opiate history at the time i was on MMT for pain management..

you wont feel withdrawl the next day if u only used it one time..u will probbly feel an "opiate glow/hangover" feeling the next day, its quite pleasurable

dont get me going, u dont even know my history..ur actually discrediting my advice? That advice i gave him came from my doctor at the methadone clinic...30mgs is fine..he has a history, regardless if he has been off subs for a lil while...he popped his cherry and there always will be some tolerance to a degree.. i know my shit, and if i thought 30mgss was unsafe or would of costed his family "a funeral" as u say then i wouldnt of gave him harmful advice...ok, ay?

Moderator Note: Please utilize the edit function to avoid needlessly bumping this thread. Thanks.

 

[yo0123yo]

^see i wouldnt put u in harms way, i was right 30mgs i told u would be tolerable for you, and was i right? yes. why? because a physician started me on 30mg with no opiate history at the time i was on MMT for pain management..

Yea as of now i'm on 20mg total that i took within a period of like 2 hours, thinking of taking another 10mg. Is it true that the methadone buzz takes longer than hydro or oxy to reach peak effect? it feels like in the past 2 hours my high is slowly going up and getting more euphoric which is why i dont want to dose rapidly

 

[opiatekrzy]

that just sounds retarded "man dies of a fatal 15mg overdose of methadone" im gonna shut up before i pull ur cards bro..

 

[DynoSpec]

countless people have died from redosing methadone, many hours after their last dose. youre not a doctor, are you? i dont wanna argue about this, its just bad advice to tell someone to take a fairly high dose (for someone who could have dropped tolerance drastically). im not trying to cut you down man stop taking shit personally, id just rather this dudes family and friends dont find two dead people.

and you can edit your posts if you have more to add later just so you know. (once again not trying to diss you so dont take offense)

 

[opiatekrzy]

Yea as of now i'm on 20mg total that i took within a period of like 2 hours, thinking of taking another 10mg. Is it true that the methadone buzz takes longer than hydro or oxy to reach peak effect? it feels like in the past 2 hours my high is slowly going up and getting more euphoric which is why i dont want to dose rapidly

Yes, methadone is a very long-acting opioid, with a very long half life, it takes about 1-2 hours to kick in, and will come on very mildly, which u may get upset cuz u are prolly wanting a faster onset correct? give urself a few more hours, u will climb higher and higher, and tomorrow u will have the "opiate glow" u will feel good all day tomorrow too..very long acting opioid. save that 10mgs for some hours later...u will see urself climbing higher and higher with that 20..its comin in at ya see buddy im not a bad guy like some people think. i gave u a doctors advice on dosing 20-30mg range...from my personal doctor..better advice than a BLer in here

 

[yo0123yo]

Honestly the reason I am so worried of taking too much is because new years eve my buddy took plenty of xanax and methadone, ended up forgetting how much methadones he was popping, ending up nodding to bed while eating, choked on his food, vomit and passed 1-1-2013, reason why i am nervous and going slow

 

[opiatekrzy]

i NEVER told the man anything about redosing, which i KNOW can be fatal, i told him a starting dose that is FAIRLY SAFE, some people agree with it, some dont, but its certainly not fatal. yes im pissy i been up 2 days on addys, i just got off methadone saturday and switched to subs-choosing to have a precip w/d under my doctors supervision till the 5 hour horror show was over , and im going thru precip W/D STILL, and its day 4..so ill shut up at that note

benzos with methadone = cemetary, county morgue. even if u are tolerant to methadone and benzos, people still do drop dead from the combo, even if there not messed up at all. BUT being on methadone you can still safely take benzos, but i wont even open that can of worms

by no means, do not jump at anyones advice on this site, trust ur gut instinct...go slow bro...take ur time..its ur life...not ours to play russian roulette with

 

[DynoSpec]

thats shitty and I hope you get some sleep and feel better, but this is a harm reduction website. starting small when its been a while is always a good idea. Some people even metabolize methadone in a way that makes it more potent, some less potent. Watching people you care about die is awful for all involved trust me. I never tried to attack you so dont get defensive this is a public space asking for advice.

Methadone has taken down way too many people to not be treated with caution.

 

[yaremus]

What the hell is wrong with you!!!!!! How dumb are you?? Hey satan let's play!! Your clean and sober, stay that way you odiot!

I agree! You have given yourself an opportunity which most addicts can only dream of...to get that monkey off your back and live a life without having to prevent withdrawal symptoms. You have an opportunity to work on your health physically, emotionally and spiritually. You could awaken capacities in you that you never knew you had. You are capable of feeling well-being that suffuse your body with natural endorphins and serotonin and dopamine. You could be FREE! Get support and dedicate your life to aliveness instead of the compromise and narrow life of a junky! Good luck!