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Friend did MDMA 3 weeks ago. Still suffers from insomnia and panic attacks

pmz said:
And stay off it. Not worth it in the end man. This shit sucks
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Yea i've been off it for over a year bro, don't listen to anyone here man they will try to suck you back in. It doesn't matter if you have tested MDMA , the chemical MDMA itself is the one to blame. There are plenty of other drugs that get you high, and you can still wake up fine from. MDMA gives you a brilliant night, but sets off your brain for a long time. Fuck that shit
 
Clocktower said:
Sounds like he didn't use a test kit and took way too much, so this is not surprising at all. He'll probably be fine in a few weeks.



MDMA is harmful if abused, but a huge number of problems (and most deaths) associated with ecstasy use are caused by adulterated pills and powders. When I say "get a test kit," It's not because I think OP's product wasn't MDMA, it's because I want OP to start using a test kit in the future so he or she will be safer.

There is a safe way to use MDMA, and that's what this forum is about.
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Thing is, even with tested MDMA. You can use it once a month and still run into problems (i have done this...).
Is once a month considered abuse? No

I can use meth once a month and be 100% fine. I can use heroin once a month and be 100% fine, i can use so many drugs out there once a month and be fine.

But using MDMA once a month for extended periods of times, you notice a decline in your emotional system and thinking and all sorts of other things.
I rest my case.
 
F1n1shed said:
Yea i've been off it for over a year bro, don't listen to anyone here man they will try to suck you back in. It doesn't matter if you have tested MDMA , the chemical MDMA itself is the one to blame. There are plenty of other drugs that get you high, and you can still wake up fine from. MDMA gives you a brilliant night, but sets off your brain for a long time. Fuck that shit
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It can. I feel sorry for you that you have to say this because it does not work for you. Not every drug works for every individual, you'll find your own way. MDMA has never had me wakin up next day feeling shit, opposite mdma has only done good to me. over all the years but then again I use it with caution, I space out between "rolls" I workout regulary, I eat healthy, I eat alot. thats just my recepie, works for me. for my gf? it works fine not just doin shit.
 
F1n1shed said:
You can use it once a month and still run into problems (i have done this...).
Is once a month considered abuse? No
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Ingesting MDMA twelve times a year is indeed abusing your brain. Some people can handle that frequency of use better than others, however, as a baseline, I would not consider monthly MDMA use as non-abusive, particularly over the long term.
 
F1n1shed said:
Thing is, even with tested MDMA. You can use it once a month and still run into problems (i have done this...).
Is once a month considered abuse? No

I can use meth once a month and be 100% fine. I can use heroin once a month and be 100% fine, i can use so many drugs out there once a month and be fine.

But using MDMA once a month for extended periods of times, you notice a decline in your emotional system and thinking and all sorts of other things.
I rest my case.
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meth and mdma are i think almost same neurotoxic potency on diffrent systems mdma is more potent on serotonin meth more on dopamine whilst both strike all three neuron systems , while serotoninergic system is 10 times smaller than dopaminergic mdma can be considered more harmfull than meth indeed.
 
Ingesting MDMA twelve times a year is indeed abusing your brain.

I would not consider monthly MDMA use as non-abusive, particularly over the long term.
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Your totally contradicting yourself here.

Based on a lot of experience an discussion on this very forum including Shulgin Reports and various other sources monthly use is considered as abuse.

It seems agreed 3 motnhs break is good HR practice but monthly use I would say is taking unnecessary risks for your future health.

mdma can be considered more harmfull than meth indeed.
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not sure if I would agree with that. Comparing drugs in terms of safety is always a bad idea as they are just simply different compounds with different potential risks. MDMA may be more harmful in certain aspects but then again meth also has some nasty dangers as well. Both very different.
 
as above stated. risks are very different from two different compounds that works totally different.. mdma is a very safe drug to use hence you use it properly and using it properly is something many people cant seem to do(including myself earlier in my life) how to use it safe is esay, this is my personal "safe" opinions they may not be another mans opinion but it's importnant to space out, 90days is good so u let ur serotonin replenish and be replenished for a while. never ever re-dose, ever. ur first dose id say 2mg/kg is the initial and only dose needed, for me redosing has never increased roll-time strange isnt it? ive taken timer on same batches. but something that increase rolltime and increase intensity is weed, so i always smoke alot of hash during my rolls. to be safe also eat after roll. no need for 5htp and other stuffs day after, i just workout, eat and sleep well til next roll. this way im all fine up in my headoffice but i once rolled 3times a month and realized that mdma has a dark side it lead to 2week depression i rode it and after that i had massive respect for mdma i only use it twice a year now perfectly fine.

so my most importnant stone is - unless u have heart conditions, it is to let serotonin replenish and let it be replenished for a while before deplete it all.. havin 8month long depression from bein a dick using mdma too much is not worth the kick u get from mdma. its a rather short experience tbh.
 
futura2012 said:
Your totally contradicting yourself here.

Based on a lot of experience an discussion on this very forum including Shulgin Reports and various other sources monthly use is considered as abuse.
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I believe you've mis-read my post. I am *agreeing* that monthly MDMA use CAN be considered abusive. I don't believe I am contradicting myself in any fashion. :)

Thanks!
 
testocyp said:
as above stated. risks are very different from two different compounds that works totally different.. mdma is a very safe drug to use hence you use it properly and using it properly is something many people cant seem to do(including myself earlier in my life) how to use it safe is esay, this is my personal "safe" opinions they may not be another mans opinion but it's importnant to space out, 90days is good so u let ur serotonin replenish and be replenished for a while. never ever re-dose, ever. ur first dose id say 2mg/kg is the initial and only dose needed, for me redosing has never increased roll-time strange isnt it? ive taken timer on same batches. but something that increase rolltime and increase intensity is weed, so i always smoke alot of hash during my rolls. to be safe also eat after roll. no need for 5htp and other stuffs day after, i just workout, eat and sleep well til next roll. this way im all fine up in my headoffice but i once rolled 3times a month and realized that mdma has a dark side it lead to 2week depression i rode it and after that i had massive respect for mdma i only use it twice a year now perfectly fine.

so my most importnant stone is - unless u have heart conditions, it is to let serotonin replenish and let it be replenished for a while before deplete it all.. havin 8month long depression from bein a dick using mdma too much is not worth the kick u get from mdma. its a rather short experience tbh.
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Yea i think my issue was when i first started i was rolling average every 1 or 1 and half months. I also would take 3 pills every time , and i would wait a good amount of time to redose. Which would really increase toxicity. I wish i had known all this stuff back then, i would only roll once every 3 months. And only take 1 nice dose, live and learn i guess. I'm still not gonna take any of it, just not worth it for me : |
 
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