Starting my first steriod cycle of sus 250

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Hi im starting a coarse in the next few weeks im 35years old im 6.2 188 pounds ive been training on and off for 15 years boxing,mma,weights. Now i have a real passion for weights i put muscle and size on very easy ive been hitting the weights full force for about 2 years. I also put fat on very easy if i dont train and watch what eat but at this very moment im in pretty good shape strict diet and training hard. I been interested in steroids for years now but i have never had the chance to take them untill now. Ive been offered sus250,trem or eq im not sure on the last one i havent reseached it yet i no thats not a huge variety but thats what i can get. Ive been recommended sus 250 but any advice would be greatly appreciated. I wont be starting anything untill i understand everthing i need to no i have reseached a lot but im still unsure about pct and do i need clomid or something simular to beguin. Im thinking i have the dosage correct 500mg mon and 500mg thurs? like i say any advise i would be greatfull thanks
 
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First of all, it is "steroid" not "steriod" haha
Sustanon 250 is a blend of 4 esters, 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isocaproate, and 100 mg testosterone decanoate. Using a single long ester like test C or E would be better. Forget about tren. Equipoise is very mild (used by women too) but just stick to test. And you're looking to inject a gram a week? Ain't that too much for a first cycle ? I think 500mg injected once a week would be better.
Never start your cycle if you don't have your PCT drugs ready. And yes, you do need clomid for PCT (with nolva).
You obviously need to do more research, for your own good. Hope this helped.
 
yes mate it helped a lot thanks a problem im having is trying to get hold of clomid and nolva in Australia. Is there any other Alternatives that might be easier for me to get???
 
yes mate it helped a lot thanks a problem im having is trying to get hold of clomid and nolva in Australia. Is there any other Alternatives that might be easier for me to get???

Taper off end of cycle...

500mg is ample for a first cycle... principles of pharmacotherapy still apply, use the lowest dose/number of drugs to achieve a desired effect.
 
HCG, but it's usually followed by nolva and/or clomid. You could look into anti-estrogen drugs like letrozole. But i'm sure finding nolva and/or clomid would be better than trying to replace them with other drugs/chemicals. Did you look on online stores ? There are many good ones. I can't tell you which though, as source discussion is not allowed.
You'll find them if you are determined enough. Maybe try to get a prescription
 
thanks so if im understanding correctly lower the dosage over 6 weeks towards the end of the cycle...so i was gunna do 10 weeks so maybe up it to 16 weeks and taper from 10-16 weeks. would this be ok?
 
ok thanks mate ill look into it..you said in your 1st comment to forget about tren can ask whats the reason?
 
thanks so if im understanding correctly lower the dosage over 6 weeks towards the end of the cycle...so i was gunna do 10 weeks so maybe up it to 16 weeks and taper from 10-16 weeks. would this be ok?

Weeks 1-10: 500mg test/week
Week 11-12: 100mg
Week 13: 75mg
Week 14: 50mg

If you can get it use a conservative dose of AI eg. arimidex .125-.25mg/day and continue till week 16. I would recommend tapering off this as well so that by week 16 you are only using .25mg eod.

The taper gives your testes time to resume normal response to LH as you are not all of a sudden dropping testosterone cold turkey. You have enough exogenous testosterone in your system to maintain sexual function and hold onto gains but not enough to suppress your natural LH production and compromise testicular function.

Ideally on your first cycle it might be prudent to stick with one compound, then for future cycles you can always reference back to how your body reacted to 500mg Test only.... Trenbolone can be a very harsh compound on some people, definitely not advised for a first cycle...
 
Thanks mate ive found your info very helpfull. This sounds like a great plan ill be definitely trying this method :)
 
whats ur thoughts on sus 250 and with the correct diet and training program whats a rough estimate of what my gains could be? cheers
 
My thoughts on sus 250 ?
The concept behind it makes sense in theory. It was created to keep test levels as stable as possible by combining various esters. But in reality, the use of a single long ester like E, injected once a week can keep pretty stable levels. Sustanon will give you just as much gains as a single ester, but why use 4 esters when a single one would do?
Sus kicks in faster than test E though. If you had test E, I would recommend using it but you don't so just use the sus 250.
What ur gains could be... I really can't tell you. It depends on diet, rest, and how hard you will work. You'll get what you put in.
 
My thoughts on sus 250 ?
The concept behind it makes sense in theory. It was created to keep test levels as stable as possible by combining various esters. But in reality, the use of a single long ester like E, injected once a week can keep pretty stable levels. Sustanon will give you just as much gains as a single ester, but why use 4 esters when a single one would do?
Sus kicks in faster than test E though. If you had test E, I would recommend using it but you don't so just use the sus 250.
What ur gains could be... I really can't tell you. It depends on diet, rest, and how hard you will work. You'll get what you put in.

My thoughts exactly.
 
I have concerns about gyno whats my best options to prevent it...or do you think i should be fine???
 
whats ur thoughts on sus 250 and with the correct diet and training program whats a rough estimate of what my gains could be? cheers

I have concerns about gyno whats my best options to prevent it...or do you think i should be fine???

What you will soon appreciate is everyone is different, no two people will have exactly the same genetics therefore difficult question to answer...

Stack everything in your favour by eating and training correctly, keep body-fat low to reduce potential estro' sides and consequential gyno issues...

I've been on and off since 1981 ish' and have never suffered with gyno, I've a mate been on a couple of years and is going to Thailand for surgery..

You never know.... keep your dose sensible to begin with increase if you feel its necessary after a few cycles....
 
I can get FORMADROL easy enough do you if this will work???

Don't know too much about that one..????

If your positive your getting gyno: Letro might be a better option, but the Estrogen/Testosterone ratio can get out of whack and estrogen can rebound back in stronger amounts until the axis stabilises, so it can be prudent to use Arimidex after Letro to avoid rebound from E inhibition...

But don't panic just yet... gyno is only a possibility.... you may get itchy nipples in the first few weeks, but thats not gyno....
 
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cheers mate there's so much to take inn...im researching like crazy just trying to make sure i have every basis covered before i start my cycle next week thanks for answering so many of my questions....this is some info i found earlier Resveratrol and Ellagic Acid. Both of these can act like Tamoxifen in preliminary studies, making them ideal immediately post cycle???
 
cheers mate there's so much to take inn...im researching like crazy just trying to make sure i have every basis covered before i start my cycle next week thanks for answering so many of my questions....this is some info i found earlier Resveratrol and Ellagic Acid. Both of these can act like Tamoxifen in preliminary studies, making them ideal immediately post cycle???

Post your studies up here, lets have a look... I'd be interested..
 
Quick Recovery After a Cycle of Steroids Or Prohormones Like Methyl 1-D

By Erin Raad

Ok, so one of the common joked about side effects of anabolic steroid use is the classic "little penis" syndrome, where your penis supposedly shrinks up and gets smaller. We see this used all the time in everything from movies to sitcoms. Does this "joke" have any basis in reality or is it just another popular misconception about anabolic steroid use?

In fact like any popular reference, there is a hint of truth to this myth, but it isn't at all about the size of your penis, in fact has to do with the testicles. The testicles are responsible for producing the majority of a mans testosterone, therefore when the body senses more than enough testosterone being available (or testosterone analogs like anabolic steroids) in the hypothalamus, it works on a messenger system that controls the entire testosterone releasing process. This process involves the hypothalamus sending a messenger to the pituitary gland which then releases the chemical messengers follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH), collectively known as gonadotropins. These then make their way to the testicles and in turn increase sperm production and testosterone production respectively. Now, when a person takes higher than normal levels of androgens like anabolic steroids, the hypothalamus, sensing there is enough "testosterone" like androgens in the body, reduces these hormones and there for effectively shuts off the testes from making it's own testosterone. The testes left in this state for 2-12 weeks, will naturally shrink from 10-40% to conserve themselves. Actually, there are studies showing that this "shut down" is not damaging, it actually prolongs the life of the testes and increases their functional life. The "shrinking effect" however is what propagated the myth.

If shrinking is inevitable on a cycle of steroids, what can we do to reverse this as quickly as possible after a cycle of steroids? Popular belief uses anything from time, which we know works, to herbal agents like tribulus, to over the counter testosterone boosters like Formadrol or even prescription breast cancers drugs like Tamoxifen Citrate! These agents are all meant to boost the stimulation of LH and FSH by reducing estrogen.

The hypothalamus is also sensitive to estrogen, which means if it senses a shortage of estrogen, it will also stimulate testosterone production! That is correct, the body's entire estrogen store is made from testosterone via aromatase. Aromatase is simply an enzyme that converts testosterone and androstenedione to estrogen's like estradiol and estrone. By blocking this conversion we can "fool" the body into producing more testosterone with its ultimate goal being to boost estrogen. Estrogen governs many biological processes and is essential for proper life. Too much is bad, but you do need some to function at your peak. Prescription drugs like Arimidex and Letrozole have been used by bodybuilders to reduce the testosterone to estrogen conversion. There are natural agents that have similar properties and strengths like 2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One and 3-Beta-Hydroxy-Urs-12-En-28-Oic Acid, both which have been shown in preliminary studies to prevent this conversion.

Prohormones have a similar possible "shut down" effect when taken and it's also advantageous to use one of these agents after a cycle of prohormones as well. Popular prohormones like 4-AD from Advanced Muscle Sciences and Methyl 1-D from LG Sciences, may also have this health promoting shut down effect. Time will certainly kick start the testes and bring them to normal levels, but the bodybuilder may want to accelerate that process in a similar way to steroid users.

Another way to trick the body is to block estrogen at the receptor level. Prescription drugs like Tamoxifen and Clomiphene are used by underground steroid users to stop the effects of estrogen. These drugs, called competitive antagonists get in the way and take the place of estrogen, yet don't have the same level of activity, so they "block" the estrogen at the receptor. This approach seems to have a much better effect for bodybuilders coming immediately off cycle, since there is no natural testosterone to convert immediately post cycle. Luckily, natural agents are available that mimic the effects of these prescription drugs. Two popular ones are Resveratrol and Ellagic Acid. Both of these can act like Tamoxifen in preliminary studies, making them ideal immediately post cycle.

The only product I've found that has both the aromatase inhibitor and competitive antagonists in a natural supplement is LG Science's Formadrol (called Forma-D on bodybuilding.com). It should be able to give your boys a nice bounce whether you use prescription products like illegal anabolic steroids or prohormones/prosteroids like Methyl 1-D (M1D
 
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