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Do all the people that talk about bad effects on this forum come from abuse?

I did not test, but I took the same exact amount with two other friends and they were fine. I'm willing to bet some people (like me) are just negatively affected by MDMA. Do you think you know everything about this drug? Please don't tell me to "educate myself". How can you know for sure that what I took was fake?

6 months+ to maybe even YEARS of my life are being ruined because of MDMA. Okay, maybe I don't hate ALL drugs... just Molly. But I'm definitely done fucking with my brains chemicals.
 
Did you test, im willing to bet you did not. Educate yourself first before you make such bold claims about all drugs.

Are you seriously claiming that MDMA can't do this to people? Would you care to fill me in on what drugs are known to cause this?

What exactly were his claims about all drugs? That he doesn't need them to be happy?

Go fck yourself before talking down to people about something you know nothing about.
 
My questions is. Should i not be worried about all the bad problems that everyone talks about on here because i try to space out my rolls atleast 2+ months. sometimes 5 months?
Does all the bad effects usually come from abuse?

I think most of them are long term abuse, though there are some cases where big issues occur with relatively little in dosage. The danger is real and should not be discounted. But you shouldn't read forums like this either if you are a bit of a hypochondriac.

I rolled back in the 1990s with MDMA, nothing major -- it was an every couple of month type of thing. After several years of nothing, I have not been using MDMA, but I've been using two somewhat similar compounds (6-APB and methylone) infrequently (every couple of months). To be honest I've not noticed any real issues. Granted both compounds do not seem to have the comedown issues MDMA does. I also try to live relatively healthy in all other aspects, I exercise regularly, eat right, etc.

While crappy MDMA presses are always a problem, I discount "RCs" as to why we're seeing so many "fried my brain" posts... because many of the RCs mimicking MDMA are actually *better* for your serotonin system than MDMA is. (The common adulterant methylone is this way, this is why it's a pale shadow of MDMA too. Piperazines granted I think are more unknown.) I think matt hit the nail on the head, it's one of the few forums where you can discuss things like this openly.
 
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Are you seriously claiming that MDMA can't do this to people? Would you care to fill me in on what drugs are known to cause this?

What exactly were his claims about all drugs? That he doesn't need them to be happy?

Go fck yourself before talking down to people about something you know nothing about.

Thank you for your constructive comment

I am not claiming this at all, just wondering how he knows it is MDMAs responsibility. It would make no sense to think that nobody has bad reactions, but it is also insane to think untested product is MDMA given the amount of fake molly/pills

Just to add, there are a number of chemical cocktails out there that can cause issues such as the Whatiswrongme
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2760
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2759
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2714
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2585
god knows what combos like this can do. if its possible to have a bad reaction to MDMA it is also possible (much more possible) to have bad reactions to unknown drug combinations

The claim of "fuck all drugs" is a little over the top for an HR website. Its awesome the OP has found the beauty of the world, just doesn't have to belittle other parts of the world while doing it.

So that is why I will NEVER take drugs again. Before I used to be all "oh yeah, drugs are cool! wanna catch em all! In ma mouth LOL!" and I would try new drugs if I had the chance. But now I realize you don't need any drugs to have fun and live a happy beautiful life.

Fuck all drugs, I'll be lucky if I will be able to drink alcohol (alcohol is cool) again and feel the same joy I did before taking MDMA

Could be that he took mdma but just because his friends are not suffering from a long term comedown and he is does not mean it automatically is MDMA. Of course people can have a bad reaction but without testing your product, wouldnt you HAVE to say you are not sure what substance caused this? I do not know for sure your drugs are real or fake, but at the same time, neither do you.

If we are going to throw around anicdotal MDMA stories, shouldnt we first make sure it was MDMA. If they aren't sure then say you may have taken MDMA, but really have no idea, then people will know they need a test kit, not that Drugs are bad mkay
 
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Blame the lack of truthful & unbiased education about drugs, the unpredictable and sporadic nature of the black market, combined with unintelligent users.

I am a firm believer that unaldulterated, moderatated, recreational MDMA consumption is as safe and predictable as any other drug, whether legal or illegal.
 
Blame the lack of truthful & unbiased education about drugs, the unpredictable and sporadic nature of the black market, combined with unintelligent users.

I am a firm believer that unaldulterated, moderatated, recreational MDMA consumption is as safe and predictable as any other drug, whether legal or illegal.

Agreed, creates thoughts like "oh yeah, drugs are cool! wanna catch em all! In ma mouth LOL!"

Im not bashing you in anyway whatiswrongwithme, the quote you put up just seemed to match so well! Shitt i had the same mantality at first too
 
It depends on your brain chemistry because everyone is different. The more you take the higher chance you have of getting a bad come down.
 
I took pure reagent tested molly 6 times in about a year. I spaced it once a month except once where I did it 9 days after my 5th time .08 plug (woah!)

I learned a lot but for a 2 months after my 6th time felt depressed. Although I already had a slight (undiagnosed) depressed feeling a lot of my life maybe due to some social problems I may have had.

I feel like I was a changed person after those experiences but the depression made me feel like my old self.


Took a 3 month break since the last time- took a .13 and felt amazing empathy-one of my top 3 experiences

Been a bit since this (week or so), and I feel amazing, really changed this time. My view of this drug went from it being something to get me high to it being a tool to better myself, although I"d love to use it for both! lol.

Anyway, my point is that there is a fine line that will throw you into depression after you abuse too much mdma, depending on the person. At least what it seems to be with me.
 
I disagree. Firstly, fun shouldn't come into an assessment of the safety of the drug really. If anything, a fun neurotoxic drug is more dangerous than a mild/ boring one lol.

Secondly, any judgements about a drug's safety needs to take into consideration the context in which it is used. MDMA is relatively safe if you follow a set of rules. How many other drugs require that you need to take a 2 month break between dosages, don't redose etc etc to limit neurotoxicity? How many people know that you have to do these things to limit physiological damage? How many people think all aspects of MDMA are safer than alcohol, coke, heroin, ketamine etc?

You even admit yourself that you are "very lucky" to come out of a period of abuse without experiencing "any real bad effects". Surely, if you recognise that you are very lucky, and that most other wouldn't be as lucky if they adopted your patterns of consumption, and consider the fact that MOST ecstasy users have no knowledge of HR rules, MDMA (when taken in context, of course) isn't "one of the safest experiences"?

I understand your point but in all honesty I can say (from a *huge* amount of personal experience with most drugs) that MDMA is considerably safer to use than other drugs (e.g. like cocaine, heroin, ketamine, etc...) now let me clarify that im not saying that makes MDMA *safe* but rather from a HR standpoint, people are less likely to end up with serious consequences using MDMA vs. using the other aforementioned drugs... ER reports worldwide confirm this...
 
I understand your point but in all honesty I can say (from a *huge* amount of personal experience with most drugs) that MDMA is considerably safer to use than other drugs (e.g. like cocaine, heroin, ketamine, etc...) now let me clarify that im not saying that makes MDMA *safe* but rather from a HR standpoint, people are less likely to end up with serious consequences using MDMA vs. using the other aforementioned drugs... ER reports worldwide confirm this...

Claiming that mdma is safer than other drugs in this context is just total nonsense.

Comparing mdma to cocaine, heroin, ketamine etc is like comparing chalk with cheese.

All these drugs are very different, all these drugs come with different dangers.

Is MDMA dangerous is the question and the answer is yes it can be dangerous trying to play down these dangers using other drugs as the quote serves no use to anyone.
 
Blame the lack of truthful & unbiased education about drugs, the unpredictable and sporadic nature of the black market, combined with unintelligent users.

I am a firm believer that unaldulterated, moderatated, recreational MDMA consumption is as safe and predictable as any other drug, whether legal or illegal.

Agree with the first part, but not the second. The drug has to be viewed in its context (which you pinned down very well) when discussing the OPs question and questions about its safety. Alcohol is arguably good for you if you limit consumption to a couple of glasses of wine every other night. Unadulterated heroin would be pretty safe for most people of you set yourself a few rules and stuck by them. This is not how people tend to use these drugs, however.

Incorrect/ reckless use is arguably what makes any drug dangerous. MDMA is very easy to use incorrectly due to its nature (affecting serotonin the way it does, making it a bad choice any sort of regular consumption) and the reasons you listed above. I don't think it's that safe as its neurotoxicity is amplified when used incorrectly and so many people do use it incorrectly. It is VERY safe in certain ways (you probably won't OD for e.g.) and quite dangerous in others (it can change everything about you right down to the core). The fact that people are waking up different, with all sorts of emotional problems, (some from high doses, some from regular intake, some from occasional low doses even) surely reveals that it isn't THAT predictable either.
 
The fact that people are waking up different, with all sorts of emotional problems, (some from high doses, some from regular intake, some from occasional low doses even) surely reveals that it isn't THAT predictable either.
yeh but what exactly is it that they are consuming.

the world produces pharmaceutical ssri's, why not mdma?

in my mind it is a non argument to attempt to persuade people that mdma is anymore harmful than any other substance. we live in a world where alcohol can be bought in drive through bottle shops yet ganja is illegal.
Incorrect/ reckless use is arguably what makes any drug dangerous.

for christs sake people have died from drinking too much water..
 
yeh but what exactly is it that they are consuming.

IME MDMA causes a lot more negative, adverse affects than any of the most common drugs being passed off as MDMA (Every cathinone I've done, MDPV, etc)

As for prohibition (if we're even talking about that :\) .. All drugs should be legal, regulated and sold by licensed outlets..
 
mdma causes a lot more negative, adverse effects than mdpv? well that would open up an interesting debate. im not sure a very useful one though.
Incorrect/ reckless use is arguably what makes any drug dangerous.

water kills. apply rules, laws, legislation, regulation. people need to be saved from water intoxication. beware the water. we will save you.

:)
 
yeh but what exactly is it that they are consuming.

the world produces pharmaceutical ssri's, why not mdma?

in my mind it is a non argument to attempt to persuade people that mdma is anymore harmful than any other substance. we live in a world where alcohol can be bought in drive through bottle shops yet ganja is illegal.


for christs sake people have died from drinking too much water..

I am not attempting to persuade people that MDMA is more harmful than any other substance though....? I am simply not agreeing with the statement that MDMA is one of the safest drugs. There is a big difference!

I also have nothing against the idea of pharmaceutical MDMA. What I have an issue with is people insisting that MDMA is one of the safest drugs when it clearly isn't. It is a silly to use the blanket term "safe" on MDMA in an HR forum, because dangers clearly do exist. It is because these dangers exist that this forum exists. Just because people don't OD, doesn't mean it isn't dangerous in different ways.

The water argument is stupid. This is an ecstasy harm reduction forum and there was a discussion about MDMA safety. Not about it's legality, not about comparing it to other substances (including water...), but about how safe it is, with all things taken into consideration. It is quite safe when used in a certain way. It can also be very dangerous when not used a certain way. The way it should be used is very specific - you need to take a 1-3 month gaps, you shouldn't redose, you need to test, you need to stay hydrated and cool, you shouldn't exceed a certain amount etc etc. Very few people know about these "rules". Therefore... MDMA, in its given context, is not THAT safe.

dont let the fear fool you. there are a lot of kids on this forum..

These kinds of comments are pretty ridiculous by harm reduction forum standards (never mind harm reduction MODERATOR standards). People have gotten seriously fucked up. This is a clear example of you downplaying the very real, very intense experiences of people who have found a place to discuss their life-changing problems.

Just to make myself clear... I am not hating on your favourite drug ever. don't worry! I love it so much, that I fucked myself up on it. I believe it is something MOST people should try once (YOLO indeed), if they have some knowledge about HR and are aware of both the risks and rewards going into it. I also don't doubt the fact that it has a lot of therapeutic value. Just think it's dangerous to call MDMA "Safe", without following that statement up with a "but" at the very least.
 
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Agree with the first part, but not the second. The drug has to be viewed in its context (which you pinned down very well) when discussing the OPs question and questions about its safety. Alcohol is arguably good for you if you limit consumption to a couple of glasses of wine every other night. Unadulterated heroin would be pretty safe for most people of you set yourself a few rules and stuck by them. This is not how people tend to use these drugs, however.

Incorrect/ reckless use is arguably what makes any drug dangerous. MDMA is very easy to use incorrectly due to its nature (affecting serotonin the way it does, making it a bad choice any sort of regular consumption) and the reasons you listed above. I don't think it's that safe as its neurotoxicity is amplified when used incorrectly and so many people do use it incorrectly. It is VERY safe in certain ways (you probably won't OD for e.g.) and quite dangerous in others (it can change everything about you right down to the core). The fact that people are waking up different, with all sorts of emotional problems, (some from high doses, some from regular intake, some from occasional low doses even) surely reveals that it isn't THAT predictable either.

You acknowledge the first point, but then still seem to, with absolute certainty, pin these 'emotional problems' down to MDMA. You admitted yourself that the market is unpredictable and users do not know what they're actually taking. How can you, with absolute certainty, attribute these emotional problems down to MDMA in the light of such an unpredictable, corrupted market of drugs; literred with myths (tan colour MD is the best! Yeah it should smell like licorice etc etc), profit-drive criminals & 0 regulation. In my opinion, this is what makes MDMA or mandy, molly, pills, sass, gurners, E, ecstasy, rolls or whatever bullshit variant sold, ultimately unpredictable.

Secondly, MDMA is not an impulsive drug and is only difficult to use correctly because of the lack of education & unpredictable nature of the market. Everytime i've consumed tested MDMA I feel no impulse to take it regularly, or even redose, despite how much I adore the experience. Further, for many 'less-educated' people I know, it did not take them long to realise that you can't smash MDMA all the time and have the same experience. For this reason, many of them limit their MDMA consumption just because it doesn't work or, as some here like to call it, loses the 'magic.'

Just because some people come on here reporting emotional problems from high doses, regular intake or even low doses, holds no testiment to the true dangers of MDMA. As we both acknowledge, these users do not, typically, test their product nor have any idea of how to safely consume the drug. Thus, we have no idea what they've actually been taking regularly, nor how much. For this, I blame the black market & the piss-poor education provided. Just 5 seconds reading Talk to Frank makes me sick to my fucking stomach.

Also, it is important to mention that this forum tends to provide an overview that is generally biased. Most people end up here due to experiencing problems with 'Ecstasy' to which they then become educated and learn about the drug. We see many threads saying 'I took this now I feel bad - will it last forever' but not many saying 'I've been taking this regularly and I feel fine' although I've heard a few stories of the latter, the former outweighs this forums overview. Is this because the former is a more accurate representation of the dangers, or because those who experience no problems don't bother seeking help on the internet - who knows.

Just a point regarding neurotoxicity, it is thrown around like something people actually understand, but they don't and nor do I. The reality is, oxidative stress is a very, very common occurence for human cells. For example, exercise causes oxidative stress, the decline is cognition that occurs with age is, in part, attributed toward oxidative stress. All this discussion about neurotoxicity, oxidative stress etc is not relevant until very large doses - or at least thats what the literature suggests. 5mg/kg is a 'neurotoxic' dose but is well above the range for a usual recreational dose, not to say people don't take that much. Smaller doses are not typically defined as 'neurotoxic' because we are able to naturally buffer oxidative free radicals thus resulting in minute damage, if any at all.

Overall, i'm not trying to dismiss the potential dangers of MDMA. Quite simply suggesting that we cannot, with 100% certainty, attribute everything seen or heard about, whether in this forum or elsewhere, to MDMA for the aforementioned reasons. In my opinion, the drug itself is not unpredictable rather the climate from which its sold in. After all, if the science behind MDMA, formulated through the review of literature that actually controls the substance, pointed toward the drug as being unpredictable, I'd highly doubt any research would gain ethical consent and funding for the treatment of PTSD, especially in a society that is so driven against drugs.
 
Uhg one of these threads again. I'm gonna keep it short as i've tired my self out with these threads.
MDMA is 'safe' in the sense that if you get pure stuff you won't die unless you were a fool and shoved a lot of powder in your mouth.
How ever where MDMA is Not safe is the long term problems on your mind / brain. Every dose of MDMA you take causes a lasting reorganization of your serotonin axons. It is recommended to NOT take MDMA more than 3-4 times because of how powerful / damaging it is to your brain.

Do you ever hear read, do not take heroin more than 3-4 times a year. No, same with every other drug. MDMA is pretty much the only one that has all these rules with it. The only good part of MDMA is it isn't really addicting. yes you crave the experience again, but you won't be fiending for a hit.
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I think a good majority of people that talk on the ecstasy discussion subforum have abused it at least once. Besides, this site isn't glorifying ecstasy in any way whatsoever, it's a harm reduction site.

I've read all the horror stories and they all have common factors. The person either had too much e, had a dangerous combonation, didn't drink enough water, or took it way too much. I personally love ecstasy and it is the best feeling in my life and I will be taking it until the day I die. Don't worry about MDMA, it is one of the safest drugs when used properly. The dangers you hear about way to often are from cutting agents such as amphetamines, research chemicals, and other various psychoactives (Not cocaine, heroin, or opiates though, that's a complete lie!). If you have pure MDMA pills and you know the approximate dosage, the chances you're going to have any complications are very, very, slim.
 
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